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Re: VOY S7: Renaissance Man

Interesting dialogue, like I stated in my comment on Homestead, Voyager was hamstrung by the studio. They green lit a show that *demanded* continuity and then insisted on a more or less stand alone format. Trek fatigue was in full effect as well and it showed. Perhaps the show would have been better if it was not designated the flagship show for a network not enjoying the freedom as first run syndication like TNG and ds9.

As it is almost every series I like has been screwed by the network so I enjoy what I see the best I can. (The Pretender, Firefly, Farscape, Dark Matter to name a few) And also no longer fall in love with a show.

It’s good to see the former cast mates enjoy their moments at the cons and convention. I respect what those artists have to go through but would not want that burden.

Re: VOY S7: Homestead

Touching episode
Correct a throwaway line about a wormhole or a sub space corridor would have been nice but alas . . .perhaps it was left on the cutting room floor.

Given what I know now about the behind the scenes challenges and ALL that executive meddling, it’s amazing that the show maintained any continuity at all.

The modern advent of streaming which has enabled binge watching has allowed for catching the subtleties often missed on a single viewing. I have a greater appreciation for the series. And I already like all the trek series’ any how. But even 17 years after the final episode, I still find scenes that I have missed or forgotten and e be certain episodes.

Nuff said

Re: DS9 S1: Captive Pursuit

I enjoyed it, but my recommendation for any show is not to get too emotionally invested to the point where you cannot enjoy the ride

Re: DS9 S7: The Dogs of War

Just rewatched , very subtle but when Mila tells Damar that Tain was Garak’s father He just stands there stunned and stares at him

Nice minor moment

Re: DS9 S7: Tacking into the Wind

Found it!

Episode was TNG S5:Ep7 - Unification I

Gowron has been ignoring hails from the Enterprise, Worf explains the possible reason.

Worf: Sir

Picard: Yes, Lieutenant

Worf: I believe I know why our messages are not being answered. Gowron has been re-writing Klingon history.

Riker: Rewriting history ?

Worf: Yes, he is claiming that it his courage, his . . . . genius (said with sarcasm), that brought an end to the civil war

Picard: I see

Worf: In the new version, there is no mention made of the Federation’s help in his rise to power.

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So Gowron has been up to shenanigans for quite some time. He picked the wrong time to as Koval put it in Enta Arma [. . . .], Gowron allowed business to become personal. And Worf had to clean up yet another mess.

Re: DS9 S7: Tacking into the Wind

I too wondered about odo impersonating the founder knowing her condition

Since Changlings can imitate voices Odo could have filled in for Luaren , but he was about to turn all “pile of leavesy” shortly afterward, so I guess it was all on Kira and it did add more suspense to the scene

Minor quibbles but idid notice

Additionally Gowron’s politcal slant can also be seen In the tng era with his “re writing “ history, taking all the credit for the events of Redemption. I believe this was revealed in Unification when they needed a ship. Nice gradual continuity there. So along with his treatment of Worf at end of WOW after AR revealed that the founders hoodwinked him exposed his stubbornness and concern more about politics.

Like the character but Gowron has it coming

Re: DS9 S7: The Changing Face of Evil

I read every comment to make sure I would not duplicate an already made statement.

About the book scene, why does it have to be “magic” per se? We have Qs, telepaths, shap shifters etc. Why not aliens who behave like these.

Consider this: We know the wraiths are trapped but still have limited outside influence. They communicated with Sisko, Winn and Dukat.

Even though it appears as if the blood make the invisible ink change, perhaps the wraiths did it after the murder, which gave them even more confirmation of Winn’s turn. Remember she was conflicted and they did it at the right time. Just a theory but it makes more sense the the random chance that blood changes invisible ink.

Any thoughts?

Re: DS9 S7: Chimera

Sorry for spaces,

Addendum

When Odo is turned into a solid he is “cured” (even though a few episodes imply that he does retain some some changling attributes,

Re: DS9 S7: Chimera

Posted elsewhere
Odo is infected s4/ep 10&11 HF & PL

S4/finale He infects great link and is turn into a “solid”

S5 ep12 TB changeling baby absorbed into odo, changling again

S6/ep4 BTL odo is reinfected by founder ( link infected a little over year by this time

S7/ep6 FT&TGR first revelation of disease in link.

S7/ep 14 this episode Laas infected

S7/ep 21 WIR odo learns he is infected

They did pretty good with keeping the timing consistent, especially the inclusion that shape shifting accelerates the disease

Re: DS9 S7: It's Only a Paper Moon

Great episode kudos to the writers for what they wanted to do. Again I refuse to get too worked up about a show.


Thanks to Luke, Chrome and others for pointing out what I was going to mention about the dark skinned Bajoran topic. Not soap boxing just sharing my observations.

There are many posts made commentors who delved VERY deeply into a given episode who said they never saw a brown/dark skinned bajoran. While it is noticeable that apart from Keisha(They could have put more effort in the name though. Unless father is black, earth human perhaps? I digressed, apologies ) , dark skinned Bajorans rarely had speaking roles, there were plenty of recurring brown Bajorans like the one with the goatee who frequented quarks. The older woman who is often seen on the promenade. There were security officers and vedeks. “Laborers” in flashback episodes

Personally, I’m of African descent , a Sci-if fan who is also realistic. I know posters like Elliot wished the PTBs would show more courage, well one can’t do everything. The show is still geared toward the 20/21st century audience from 20/21st century Hollywood and one has to pick their fights. As posted by someone else, it is possible that that writers were answering the concerns about Sisko as the hero in BTFS via Benny Russell. Anyway, while romance is at times part of the plot, I don’t watch trek or any of my favorite shows for the romantic subtexts but I am certain that Hollywood is/was a factor in some of the casting and it is only now that mixed race couples are being featured with regularity on commercials etc. I believe one trek actor noted that Hollywood has always had difficulty with black romances.

One example I noticed is in another one of my favorites, Leverage (The Pretender/A Team hybrid). It’s very obvious that the were careful with Hardison and Parker, while they had several make out scenes on screen these were framed as part of their current con and not “real” although the characters clearly enjoyed the play acting.

Back to episode, I binge in on all the shows, most of the time while on this site. You guys play rough at times. But like the great material continuum, cyberspace can be treacherous

Godspeed all!

Re: DS9 S7: Treachery, Faith, and the Great River

@romemmy
I thought about that as well

But odo is still an amateur changling and perhaps could not do what Laas did
As far as the older comment about odo’s delayed symptoms, remember he became human and was reinfected by the founder during season six so the timing fits nicely

Re: DS9 S6: A Time to Stand

Dukat, rocking the mullet!

Re: DS9 S3: Second Skin

Visitor’s issues with claustrophobia add additional merit to her performance
As stated on memory alpha, it was a challenge and she actually stared pulling off the prosthetics after a long days shoot when the director wanted to shoot a scene again

Re: TNG S2: A Matter of Honor

Collins who portrayed Kargon also played on of the Pakleds in Samaritan Snare and was the voice in the 80s cartoons GI JOE (Cobra Commander) and Transformers (Starscream)

Re: TNG S2: The Schizoid Man

A pre Khe'lar Suzie Plakson as the oft mentioned but once seen Dr Salar was a nice touch as well.

Re: TNG S1: Coming of Age

@dgalvan
Additional Bits and pieces of the Crusher Family/Picard history are touched on in the TNG episodes
Encounter at Farpoint;The Bonding,; Family; Violations ;Attached all contain details that flesh out this story arc, no specific episode focuses on it though

Re: TNG S6: Frame of Mind

I always gave the Tilonians an alternate name.

The Macedians, as in the Mickey-"D"-ans, as in McDonalds, as in the golden arches on their foreheads.


All in good fun of course.

Re: TNG S6: Aquiel

I have the entire series on my plex server now.
Years ago when I was a night worker I would take my evening sleeps listening to TNG on my 8 hour VHS tapes.

@kznate according to memory alpha, they acknowledge the ending was rushed and probably did not have the budget for better effects
Anyway, I remember the episode well enough and was going to skip it due to the dislike for it expressed here. But the episode was not unwatchable. Cheesy? Yes. But it was a serviceable episode with a nice plot twist, albeit unoriginal.

The romance subplot was forced and predictable and would have worked just as fine if their bond was more "platonic" but the "bonding" scene warranted some attraction I guess.

Again, I don't get as worked up as some when it comes to these episodes. I try to enjoy them on their merit and I am ok with this one.

Re: TNG S5: I, Borg

Perusing all the comments/debates
@William B on
Tue, Feb 7, 2017, 10:55pm (UTC -5) Nailed it

Up to that point the Borg were described and portrayed as a "race" that assimilated technology more than people where the Borg were born and raised as such. BOBW addeded a new angle, I Borg another and then eventually the vampire tubes and nanoprobes were introduced and . . . Well . . . You know the rest is history

Re: TNG S2: Pen Pals

"thought it was well acted with the senior officers but Picard just changing his decision based on hearing a helpless little girl's voice is unprofessional"
@Rahul

It is noteworthy that in this social media age with a plethora of visuals and audios readily accessible, people have a tendency to react more strongly to information. (Fairly or unfairly). So when they heard the plea, they acted emotionally. Thus the story.

Re: TNG S5: Power Play

Again, I try to understand the story opposed to allowing it to irritate me. Nor do I hate any of the characters. I enjoyed the episode but as dutchstudent1982 pointed out there are a few quibbles. The Shumar ghost could have moved from Troi to Picard when they were in the ready room.

Also, instead of the exposition in the cargo bay the other "ghosts" could have immediately taken over Worf, PIcard and Keiko and perhaps things could have been different. Yet they stayed on the pad. This is before they trapped them with the containment field. But that did not interfere with my enjoyment of the episode.

Re: TNG S3: Allegiance

Although not featured again, I liked the silent communication scene where Picard traps the aliens. It's good they have training like this.

It has always intrigued me that the crews did not have some method to determine when someone or someplace was not real, (but then there would be no story of course). The fabricated environments are always so real and the oddities are not apparent until some time has passed.

Examples include TNG:Ship in a bottle, Future Imperfect, and the DS9:The Search where crew members interacted sometimes for days with simulated comrades/family/enemies without any hint that they are not real. TNG; Remember Me is the exception since based on plot the Universe was at least a copy of a reality as opposed to a computer based simulation. Plausibility stretched in all these instances of course, but alas as I read in some posts am not as emotionally irritated by such things to make me like or dislike a particular episode(except for the most awful ones like Code of Honor and Threshold to name a few).

I tend to focus on what the story is trying to tell me and enjoy it on its own merit. This is why I find episodes that some don't like entertaining except for the most terrible ones.


Also unless they high tailed out of there, The fake Esok probably died violently once the reveal took place there.

Re: TNG S6: Face of the Enemy

Agree on the language thing.

That is part of the suspension of disbelief that we have to accept for the sake of storytelling.

That and her black eyes

Re: TNG S4: The Wounded

Irony of Ironies. I am in bed reading comments on this episode while listening an episode of the new Hawaii-Five-O playing in the background. (S4:EP4 Netflix). The last scene is shown and they are singing the Minstrel Boy. I was not really paying attention to the scene but they started singing and I had to do a double take.

Not really important but had to share it.

Re: TNG S4: Brothers

@NCC

In the Nemesis novelezation, (the audio book was better then the movie BTW) Shinzon references a "Cardassian scientist who discovered b4" But that is not canon either.