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Re: DSC S1: The War Without, The War Within

@Genga

"- I miss Issacs, this is something I'm unsure of should his name still be in the acting credits? If the character is really gone do they not take that out. I am unsure."

He's a series regular so he gets credited in episodes he does not appear in for the whole season per SAG rules, Isaacs and the other Discovery regulars also were credited in the first 2 episodes despite not appearing.

Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Wolfstar

On Shape of Water Jones had to go over 10 hrs a day without pooping, Saru is probably a vacation by comparison.

Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

So when do we get to debate over whether Galileo was wrong since we are revisting well established scientific facts.

Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Thomas

"TNG got "good" after season 3 because we knew the characters"

TNG got good in season 3 because they ditched most of the writing staff, hired a new showrunner and banished Gene Roddenberry's insane lawyer. The first 2 seasons of TNG are among some of the worst run productions ever to grace television - without even a SLIGHT exaggeration. Seriously,

Watch the documentary Chaos on the Bridge, the fact the show survived and actually became a good show let alone GREAT is nothing short of a legitimate miracle.

Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Skiflicker

i've noticed a significant uptick in commenting since Chapter 2 began in a few discussion sites compared to Chapter 1

Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Shannon

Right? The guy's a joke.

Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Peter G

Baffling, Stamets calls Lorca a warmonger and is openly begrudging to everything he has to do - he has a whole speech about how his research has been co-opted for war. Saru is loyal to his duty as a 1st officer but openly admits Lorca has toxic influences when he tells Michael her manipulative attitude fits right in.

Culber openly rejects using the tarigrade when it becomes clear its health is being infirmed and Stamets helps him. Saru was driven by the fanaticism of avoiding repeating the trauma from losing Georgiou and repents at the end of the episode.

Lorca is charismatic, that's how he retains people and he takes advantage of desperate circumstances to shirk typical moral conventions.

The bad faith is baffling. Outright ignoring basic events of the series.

Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Dom

"I would have also thought Starfleet officers wouldn’t attempt mutiny in order to launch a preemptive attack against the Klingons, wouldn’t condone abuse of prisoners, etc. Lorca destroyed his ship and killed his crew and nobody in Starfleet command seemed suspicious. Sure, rogue Starfleet officers have committed crimes, but the show always made sure to condemn those actions. I don’t think anybody really thinks this version of Starfleet would hesistate leaving someone behind, especially someone like the Emperor."

lol this just an exercise in purposeful bad faith readings of the show, Lorca was running essentially a black ops ship and freely doing as he pleased - shockingly a guy from the MU did bad things.

Starfleet wasn't condoning his actions - I mean you'd have to PURPOSEFULLY ignore scenes with Cornwell and the Vulcan admiral to think that. What a joke. Saru gives a whole speech about how Lorca tried to twist the crew.

Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

Anyone find it ironic the comments here decrying Discovery's cynicism are far more cynical than the actual show? Certainly no Coalitions of Hope here. Doubt this place would help someone get back to their universe if they had asked. Lorca is a better reflection of humanity than he's credited for.

Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

@Nic

It's very last minute, but when Georgiou nukes the planet the entire bridge crew including Lorca all shield their eyes from the blast. Michael however, is able to look straight into it without a blink.

Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

@Trent

Michael didn't eat Saru, Saru is onboard the Shenzou

Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

@Peter G

I don't know why you think he killed a shuttlecraft pilot, he certainly didn't need to in order to acquire Michael. For one, Michael notes the pilot changed course mid-flight which you can reasonably deduce means the pilot was instructed to meet the Discovery. Lorca kept this a secret in order to observe Michael over the course of episode 3 - Michael explicitly theorizes he arranged the entire thing at the end of the episode.

Second, Cornwell exposits later on that Lorca has conscripted Michael which is within his power during wartime - so again no murder is necessary.

Finally, although it's hard to hear (but easily viewable with subtitles on), when Michael first arrives on Discovery there's a background announcement calling personnel to sickbay so you can reasonably assume the pilot was beamed there.

Re: DSC S1: Despite Yourself

@Peter G.

From a larger perspective outside Star Trek I'd actually say that's quite factually untrue - my favorite director Mario Bava never had a good script his entire career but his mastery of visual storytelling created highly memorable films that have directly influenced many of today's top directors (David Lynch, Guillermo Del Toro, Scorsese to name a few) and regularly play retrospective series' in theaters.

Re: DSC S1: Despite Yourself

And as a follow up, City, Inner Light, and In Pale Moonlight all have some pretty iconic, quotable visuals even if they're rather "simple" - the design of the Guardian, Picard clutching his flute in the dark of his quarters, Sisko staring directly into the camera. These episodes too would experience a marked loss without visuals.

TV and Film are more than just the script, the dramaturgy.

Re: DSC S1: Despite Yourself

@Karl

Saying if you strip the visuals away from a visual medium that it would be worse isn't a particularly profound observation. Visuals are storytelling.

Re: DSC S1: Despite Yourself

I just wanna say Jason Isaac does a pretty amazing Scotty impression

Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go

jesus christ what a drama queen

Re: ORV S1: Firestorm

"I think they should've setup in a previous episode that Alara WASN'T feeling totally secure in her position."

typo fix'd

Re: ORV S1: Firestorm

Solid episode, enjoyed it more much than last week's Blue Cosby story. Only two little quibbles are the Psycho-esque ending where they just sit around and explain the entire episode and I think they should've setup in a previous episode that Alara was feeling totally secure in her position.

They touched on this back in episode 2 but after that she seemed completely confident in every episode, especially last week's. Orville's an episodic show but the character beats do have some serialization, so it'd be nice to see them take advantage of it.

That aside though, again a strong episode and my favorite joke was Malloy, John and Bortus showing up for a Georgian era pistol duel.

Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go

@Yanks

I'm with ya, I am continually baffled by people who insist Star Trek has ever remotely had its fictional tech function in a remotely realistic manner.

Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go

@karatasiospa

Romulan ships have singularity drives in order to pump out enough power to cloak, this concept goes back way before Discovery

also the cloak has always been technobabble.

Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go

@Jammer

They mentioned in the battle of episode 8 that they can detect they're in the area but not exact locations, it's a much more primitive cloak than later eras.

https://youtu.be/bVpGxtuqBaU?t=43

Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go

@Wolfstar

I was also very impressed with the direction in this episode, there were so many cool compositions! I hope they bring back Chris Byrne for another episode.

Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go

I choose to take Lorca at more face value than a lot of people, I love the twist that he really is interested in exploration and has been doing interdimensional research the entire war.

People see the worst in Lorca but he keeps coming through for people on a moral and emotional level. Lorca seems to me to be a good guy with rough edges, his goals are noble but his methods cross the line in some ways.

Re: ORV S1: Cupid's Dagger

@Josh

The pheromones specifically make people have sex