Star Trek: Voyager
"Collective"
Air date: 2/16/2000
Teleplay by Michael Taylor
Story by Andrew Shepard Price & Mark Gaberman
Directed by Allison Liddi
Review by Jamahl Epsicokhan
"Negotiation is irrelevant. You will be assimilated."
"Not today and not by you."— The Borg and Janeway
(Note: This episode was re-rated from 2.5 to 2 stars when the season recap was written.)
Nutshell: There's groundwork here for some potentially intriguing future material, but the episode itself is lackluster.
In "Collective," we're introduced to a small group of young Borg. They're the sole survivors of a Borg cube that suffered a catastrophe, and now the five of them are running this massive cube-shaped spaceship. Frankly, they're not up to the job. When it comes to being Borg, these kids need practice.
Enter the Delta Flyer, which is manned by the team of Chakotay, Paris, Kim, and Neelix (after "Memorial" and now this installment, one wonders if this is the new official crew of the Delta Flyer). We join them as—apparently trying to be more like the TNG crew—they are engaged in a game of poker, which is interrupted by the sudden appearance of said Borg cube, much to the dismay of Ensign Paris, who had a full house. (The shot that reveals the cube is nicely played for its mild shock value but logically dubious; one wonders why the ability of the Borg to sneak up within visual range of a ship isn't something we've seen before. What we have here is a scene for spurring an argument about cinematic ends vs. means, but never mind.)
The Delta Flyer is captured in a tractor beam and the crew members are thrown into a cell for use as ... hostages? Since when do the Borg take hostages? We'll see in a moment, but first some chit-chat.
It's an episode like "Collective" that has me hoping, hoping, hoping that the producers of Voyager are looking well beyond the end of the hour at hand. If you take the hour for what we've got, let's just say it's not the most compelling hour of all time.
For starters, I have to ask: Have the Borg as story devices been exhausted? I remember the awe of first seeing them in TNG's "Q-Who" all those years ago, and the terror of seeing them again in "The Best of Both Worlds." Over the past few years of Voyager, that awe has been replaced with a sense of nearly clockwork annual routine. The Borg were still interesting, but our fear that they might assimilate us was hardly a factor anymore. Instead the question was how the Borg would figure into a story about the nature of human individuality, particularly once Seven of Nine came on board. In spirit, she was our weekly Borg representative.
"Dark Frontier" last year was essentially the final word in Borg as action/adventure devices—one of the best-produced (but not best-told) Trek episodes of all time. Given that they were no longer the awesome terror of the galaxy they once seemed to be, "Dark Frontier" was acceptable use of the Borg, but by pulling out all the stops it also served as an implied resignation that perhaps the Borg were ready for retirement. An idea can only go so far before it becomes tired.
"Collective" appears to be an attempt to tell a "different" kind of Borg tale: Since we can no longer plausibly battle the Borg, we'll instead negotiate with adolescent drones—whose behavior resembles your average adolescent human more than your average Borg. When Voyager comes looking for their missing team, they find the Borg cube, but because there are only five drones—severed from the hive mind—who haven't a clue how to run a Borg ship, Voyager is able to swiftly stalemate the confrontation.
We learn that the five children—or "neo-natal drones," as the story sometimes calls them—had emerged prematurely from their "maturation chambers" after the shipwide catastrophe, a cybernetic-targeting pathogen that infected the ship and killed all the drones. The maturation chambers protected the children from being infected.
Now the juvenile drones demand that Voyager surrender its navigational deflector. They hope to modify it so they can contact the Borg and be reintegrated into the collective. If Janeway turns over the deflector, the Borg will release their hostages.
One oddity with "Collective" is its somewhat inaccurate title. These five Borg do not seem to comprise a collective. At first they do, but then they don't. They seem more like individuals who answer to a willingly established hierarchy. They don't act much like Borg. The leader of the five, the "First" (Ryan Spahn), represents the story's primary source of conflict: He's a drone who follows the Borg protocols and intends to rejoin the collective. It would seem the other four drones are less mature, and thus don't hold strong Borg-like opinions; they follow the First simply because he's the First.
But it seems these "drones" are capable of free, independent thought, and that provides a source of confusion at times, because it's hard to determine how exactly the story envisions these Borg. They're "different," which is supposed to be part of the point, I think. But they also talk among themselves like any individuals might. There's often no sense that they're connected, and something about it just doesn't sit right. In order to continue using the Borg, it seems the writers have to make them progressively less like Borg, and more human.
Naturally, the story involves heavy focus on Seven of Nine (be sure to join the online petition for renaming this series Star Trek: Seven of Nine—visit this page) who beams over to the Borg ship to confirm the well-being of the prisoners and negotiate with the drones. The core of the story emerges when Seven discovers that the Borg collective will not be dispatching a ship to retrieve this cube, which has been deemed a total loss. To the Borg, five neo-natal drones are not worth salvaging (which strikes me as perhaps the most believable Borg sentiment in the episode).
The central dilemma is (of course) a human one: Janeway proposes that the drones be "saved" if at all possible. Sure, there's some plotting along the way, including (a) Doc reluctantly re-synthesizing the pathogen that killed the Borg ship, for possible use as a weapon against the drones should negotiations fail; and (b) Harry Kim regaining consciousness aboard the docked Delta Flyer unbeknownst to the Borg, and his eventual venture through the cube in an attempt to blow up a shield generator so Voyager can beam out the prisoners. But if you want to know what the episode is about, it's the dynamic between Seven and the drones as she tries to negotiate with a leader who has one, and only one, goal—to rejoin the collective. Along the way, she comes close to connecting with one of the other drones, the Second (Manu Intiraymi), who seems to have traces of his pre-assimilated individual self somewhere beneath the surface.
Alas, these dynamics aren't on par with the potential. I expected more. The episode is too content to resign itself to standard negotiation-standoff "tension" dialog and predictable chatter. Although representing an inflexible attitude that seems to fit the Borg, the First is not a very interesting character. And with all due respect to the actors portraying the Borg, they just don't measure up. Here, one can very easily see Ryan's mastery of her character and the perfect vocal control; she is able to convey the masked emotion and Borg-like monotone without seeming forced, and there are subtle nuances that blend right into her performance. The same cannot be said for the other Borg players. They always seem to be "acting," and not convincingly (especially Spahn as the First).
What plays better are some sincere scenes between Janeway and Seven. The idea of utilizing Seven's insights to bring these Borg to some sort of new understanding of their situation is something that makes sense—after all, Seven experienced the process of being de-Borgified first-hand. The show's best-written scene reveals that the mental structure that the collective gave Seven when it assimilated her is an ordered structure that has also been a source of strength in regaining her individuality. It's a sense of order the Borg children, who were not fully developed before emerging from their maturation chambers, do not have. Seven worries that the transition for them will be even more difficult than hers. Between Seven, this installment, and "Survival Instinct," there ought to be some sort of therapy program for ex-Borg.
The final act of "Collective" is a muddle that doesn't work. It's as if the writers couldn't figure out an adequate way to resolve the story. The ending here is one of those tech wrap-ups where we have Janeway and Torres aboard Voyager throwing around meaningless technobabble dialog in a desperate last-minute search for a way to rescue the hostages before Voyager is severely damaged. Meanwhile, the final conflict on the Borg ship is poorly staged. Moments of tension feel misplayed by the actors and director, and the fact that the First is killed as a result of his inability to go against his Borg directives is a story point that doesn't come across as particularly important, though I get the feeling it was meant to be. Oh, and we've got Harry Kim lying critically ill, injected with nanoprobes, for no particularly necessary reason (beyond keeping him a peripheral aspect of the plot, which itself seems unnecessary).
And after the crisis ends, my lingering question was: What happened to the Borg cube? It apparently didn't self-destruct, so did Janeway just leave all that technology floating in space? In "Dark Frontier" the crew shaved 15 years off the trip by using Borg technology. Shouldn't this cube be a major cache of tech foodstuffs? But never mind.
That brings us to the story's coda, which simultaneously gives me great hope and worry. Four of the five drones (as well as a Borg infant that is beamed aboard the ship) are rescued and turned back into individuals. This screams for future storylines. We have four youths whose source for identification will be Seven of Nine. The pupil will now become the teacher. This could make for challenging material, a source of growth in the series. Then again, it could also make for redundancy if not handled carefully. After all, we've been down this road with Seven for almost three seasons now.
Though it's too early to say, the final scene already has me voicing one gripe: According to what the story told us earlier, these children are supposed to be disturbed—more so than Seven (who in "The Gift" was violent and unstable after being severed from the Borg). But they don't seem disturbed at all to me. They seem to be handling it way too okay.
But bringing aboard more Borg—and younger people—reveals a potential for the sort of community-building that this series should've focused on from day one. The key word is potential. Will it be used? (Of course, the worst-case scenario would be never hearing about these Borg again. That would be unforgivable, and probably unlikely, but not unthinkable given Voyager's track record. We haven't, for example, heard one single peep about those Equinox crew members that joined Voyager at the beginning of the season.)
Bottom line for "Collective": The general theme here that examines drones hanging with uncertain self-identities was done in fifth season's "Drone" (and to a lesser extent in this season's "Survival Instinct")—and I assure you it was done with much greater insight. "Collective" is reasonable, but it probably works best as stage setting. Now let's just hope the players actually decide to show up.
Next week: Return to Fair Haven. Just what we all wanted.
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76 comments on this post
Tue, Aug 26, 2008, 4:24pm (UTC -6)
Fri, Jul 9, 2010, 11:02am (UTC -6)
Forty-five minutes of toing and froing when all that was necessary would have been to put the hoodlum Borg across the knee and give them a good spanking.
Janeway holding a baby Borg in her arms. What the hell is this show coming to...
MINUS two stars.
Fri, Dec 10, 2010, 9:25pm (UTC -6)
Mon, Mar 7, 2011, 12:58pm (UTC -6)
Almost as bad as the bratty ball of light from TNG's excruciating "Imaginary Friend".
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 5:45pm (UTC -6)
Yeah nothing special really. I'm glad Janeway didn't turn to murder on this occasion.
The thing that annoys me about the episode is it's one of those that pretends Voyager has an ongoing story, which aside from extreme exceptions like Seven or the overall voyage home (which itself seems to go back and forward) it certainly doesn't. Now I'll admit, I haven't seen the rest of the series yet and haven't read about it but my opinion at this stage is that anyone who thinks we'll even hear about the Borg Children ever again is kidding themselves. Which is a highly unfortunate aspect of Voyager.
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 5:49pm (UTC -6)
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 9:22pm (UTC -6)
Also, this ep. featured a great Badass Janeway moment. She cradles a tiny Borg baby in her arms, then orders the Doctor to ready a pathogen to destroy Borg.
But oh that "First" was the worst bunch of teen angst cliches ever.
Wed, Aug 3, 2011, 10:56pm (UTC -6)
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 4:21am (UTC -6)
I rewatched TNG recently and, up until Descent at least, the Borg were truly something special - and were actually genuinely scary (still to this day Q Who and Best of Both Worlds convey their terror and danger immensely well). The Voyager writers just didn't have the skill to maintain that. With every episode, the Borg became less frightening and even less Borg-like (now they're just like regular people in cyborg costumes, completely gone is that sense of alienness). The Borg are now little more interesting than the other 'great' races Voyager gave us, the Kazon, the Hirogen, the Malon.
The idea of a ship of Borg children maybe seemed like a different twist on the old Borg themes, but we've seen all this before and the fact they are children further blunts the Borg's impact. This episode isn't scary, it isn't tense, it certainly isn't original or groundbreaking and it isn't even particularly entertaining to be honest. We've seen the whole thing of drones becoming individuals umpteen times and the plan to release a disease or pathogen on the Borg and the moral implications thereof are directly lifted from "I Borg". This one just didn't hold my interest. Worst Borg episode yet. And what's with the lighting on Borg ships now - why all the LIME GREEN?...it actually looks a bit hokey.
Sat, Sep 17, 2011, 10:24pm (UTC -6)
Wed, Mar 14, 2012, 11:12pm (UTC -6)
Then again, Janeway apparently didn't want it or any tech from it either. A giant (literally and figuratively) technological gold mine! But, meh, who needs that? We're not trying to get home *this* week, we're doing a Borgling episode. Maybe we'll grab the next Cube handed to us on a silver platter, we're too busy now. The writers gave it no more thought than a cardboard set prop, not even considering the implications. I feel insulted on that ship's behalf. It got less respect than Rodney Dangerfield.
Story-wise, I suppose it would be considered nitpicking, but from the characters' point of view... wow! Their metaphorical ticket home just hovering there, and Janeway ignores it without a thought and moves on. Even after 6 years you'd think the former Maquis, at least, would be willing to gang up and lynch her for that one.
Maybe Seven was right about The Voyager Conspiracy, and Janeway is staying in the Delta Quadrant on purpose after all? *Twilight Zone Music*
Thu, Jun 7, 2012, 3:33pm (UTC -6)
Mon, Jul 2, 2012, 1:17am (UTC -6)
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 2:46am (UTC -6)
Thu, Jan 3, 2013, 1:52am (UTC -6)
Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 8:49pm (UTC -6)
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 3:31pm (UTC -6)
Jammer complains that they don't act like a collective despite their claim to be one, but that's the point. They are trying to act like a collective because it's all they know, but they are no longer linked by the Borg and so they aren't truly one. They are in denial. Presumably the episode title is ironic.
I thought it was odd, however, that Harry's trip though the Borg cube brought up bad memories.... Of a haunted house. I would've thought he might have instead been reminded of the time he went traipsing through a Borg ship and almost got eaten alive by a species 8675309 virus. Looks like he came away the worse for wear here, too, but that card trail idea was so asinine he deserved to get caught.
Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 12:08pm (UTC -6)
very much like this borg drone.
interesting episode, but not my favorite.
2 stars
Thu, Jan 16, 2014, 4:38am (UTC -6)
Not really - it always sucked.
Thu, Jan 16, 2014, 6:50pm (UTC -6)
Thu, Jan 16, 2014, 7:49pm (UTC -6)
Thu, Jan 16, 2014, 8:25pm (UTC -6)
Why don't you watch the rest of Voyager and develop your own opinion on Voyager?
Thu, Jan 16, 2014, 8:38pm (UTC -6)
Fri, Jan 17, 2014, 7:47am (UTC -6)
Voyager has its ups and downs--I think what most people find objectionable is their constant use of the "reset button" where pretty much nothing that happens in any one episode has later consequences. Certain storylines, like this one, screamed for more development. (and strangely enough. . . maybe the writers were listening to fans a bit by this point?)
I just wanted to comment that I don't hate this episode. I actually got a bit emotional when Seven tucked her charges into "bed."
Fri, Jan 17, 2014, 10:13am (UTC -6)
Regarding "Alliances," "...the ship merrily cruised off into the status quo. In retrospect, that was probably the moment the Trek franchise died.... Because that speech was the signal that from here on out, no chances would ever be taken with the franchise."
Tue, Mar 4, 2014, 7:01am (UTC -6)
Sun, Mar 30, 2014, 5:57pm (UTC -6)
Voyager is just falling flat in this ep, agree about Red Dwarf being better. I always enjoyed Borg episodes, but this devalues the Borg so much into redundancy that we have to see Janeway holding a baby, trying to decide on using a Pathogen? No wonder why I have forgotten a lot of Voyager but can remember akl the other shows.
Sun, Mar 30, 2014, 6:48pm (UTC -6)
With the exception of the original series, the Treks' use of classic literature was pretty limited. Voyager has utilised Dante, the bible, Beowolf, Spencer, not to mention da Vinci, Verdi, Puccini and others, so the claim that it ignored the classics is just nonsense.
Voyager was more like the original series than any of the other modern Treks. If you want to criticise it for, in this way, being conservative, that's fine, but to consider it an outlier is provably false.
Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 11:24am (UTC -6)
But that's not really a bad thing. Voyager's biggest flaw was the reset button, but it's second biggest flaw was that it wasn't all that original/it didn't take advantage of its premise. True, there were characters who were new and different (Seven, the Doctor) but the stories certainly weren't that different than what could have been told without a divided crew and if the ship had been in the Alpha Quadrant.
Sat, May 17, 2014, 10:08pm (UTC -6)
This episode was a terrible idea all along and one more step of Voyager in making Borg... forgettable. The Borg-kids-on-the-block were shameful, bad acted, never looked like Borg nor even for a second, not to mention how much out-of-character they were written in what Borgs are concerned. Also, the pseudo-conflict of "should we kill the kids or not?" felt artificial, predictable, not truthful for a minute.
Two stars was a very generous gift from Jammer's part. Maybe a gift to the hilarious scene when the Defiant crew gets a hell of a scary with the Borg cube.
Thu, Sep 25, 2014, 12:09am (UTC -6)
Voyager is sending shockwaves back along the tractor beam. At first this just has the effect of weakening/lowering the cube's shields. But then one of the borg kids says that the latest shockwave has overloaded the (tech tech). At that point,
Thu, Sep 25, 2014, 12:12am (UTC -6)
Thu, Sep 25, 2014, 12:16am (UTC -6)
On another note, I thought the actress that played the little girl borg nailed it when she says, "Your weapon won't work here..." (head tilt) "...dampening field."
That was CREEPY. I don't know why (cough cuz it's not DS9, cough cough) Jammer's picking on the guest actors in this one.
Thu, Sep 25, 2014, 8:41am (UTC -6)
I thought especially Mezoti and Icheb were very well acted (especially for kids) and although people like to rag about the eventually lost Borg infant (it either died off screen or they found it's people.... you don't even have to fanwank this one) this episode adds a continuing storyline in the form of guest characters we'll actually see again, the bizarre thing with a virus randomly taking out a cube is actually going to be explained in a later episode (actual setup here!), and the kids let a character who is not really ready for romance explore a different kind of close relationship (specifically parenting). The only thing wrong with this storyline is that Mezoti eventually left, I really liked her as well.
Thu, Sep 25, 2014, 8:43am (UTC -6)
3.5 stars (4 stars are reserved for "classics")
Sat, Dec 13, 2014, 10:09am (UTC -6)
I just rewatched this episode for the first time in a long time, and realized that this infant is never heard from again. The doctor saved its life, so it's still on the ship, but it is never so much as mentioned in any future episode. Presumably, when Mezoti, Azan and Rebi leave the ship some time later, the infant leaves as well, but it would've been nice to see some follow-up on that part of this story. Ah well...
Thu, Apr 9, 2015, 4:21pm (UTC -6)
Wed, Jun 3, 2015, 8:04pm (UTC -6)
Seven: 'Your name IS Icheb.'
Yea, and your name is Annika, but I don't see you using that either. Don't be a hypocrit, Seven.
Just a little thing that popped out at me when I saw it. Anyway, the episode wasn't really much to look at. I couldn't help but think: they are 5 children, running a ship meant to be run by thousands. At this point in time, Voyager probably knows more about dealing with the Borg then any other Starfleet vessel. Should be a piece of cake for them to take out a damaged vessel run by 5 deborgified children. Just shoot them enough to cripple them, beam your crew out of there and tell The First to go **** himself. It's really as simple as that.
But I guess we wouldn't have much of an episode, if they did that. And I suppose it wouldn't be too Starfleet of them, either. Although I think they'd understand. When you run into Borg, a shoot first, ask questions later policy is generally the way to go. Mediocre episode. Kind of a snoozefest. I'd really love to see the Borg be the big scary badasses they once were, but shows like this make it hard to come back to that.
Fri, Feb 12, 2016, 10:02am (UTC -6)
As for Seven of Nine getting a lot of screen time, this is an episode where it actually makes sense that Seven would be leading an away team. She understands the Borg and can warn other red shirts before they get assimilated by accident.
Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 4:59am (UTC -6)
I know the Defiant is small but it isn't a shuttlecraft like the Delta Flyer! :)
Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 5:00am (UTC -6)
Mon, Feb 29, 2016, 9:23pm (UTC -6)
Couldn't the baby at least have tried assimilating Janeway when she held her? Alas no....
Yoyager castrated the Borg.
Tue, Mar 1, 2016, 10:10am (UTC -6)
HAHAHAHAHA, dude that's funny!
I'd buy THAT for a dollar :D
Also YES Voyager made the borg overused and stupid, they should have stayed with TNG. At least DS9 has the good sense to keep them out of it and develop their own (awesome) bad guys.
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 10:18am (UTC -6)
Worth a mention for the excellent teaser intro, but it's all downhill from there. 1.5 stars.
Tue, Mar 29, 2016, 3:03pm (UTC -6)
Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 10:36am (UTC -6)
For everyone wanking about Janeway holding a child.... didn't it occur to you that she might never have children of her own?
Children "maturation chambers" were introduced in TNG, Seven was an assimilated 6 year old, I think this episode has a place in "Borg lore".
This episode brings to mind the sheer ruthlessness of the Borg. #1 they assimilate children, and #2, they don't feel they are worth their time until they've matured. No morals, no feeling.
What teeth did this episode pull?
I personally didn't want to see them leave so soon. They could have parsed their departures over a longer period of time.
Love the start of the Icheb/Seven relationship. They display screen chemistry from the get go.
This also resonates with me as a parent:
"SEVEN: Perhaps I could help them avoid some of the obstacles I've encountered."
So true.
3.5 stars.
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 12:16am (UTC -6)
I used to think that Borg only bothered to assimilate healthy adults. Voyager shows them assimilating children and putting them in "maturation chambers" for years and years. This seems very inefficient. How can they need drones that badly?
Now we find kids partially assimilated and kind of not. They're mostly just acting like human kids. And there's no suggestion that they're sharing thoughts or anything. So how long does the process take?
Anyway, I think the writers were using the Borg thing as a crutch at this point. It's a shortcut to storylines. I realize the pressure to be creative means every episode can't be a great one, but I at least expect the attempt to be made.
Sat, Aug 27, 2016, 7:32pm (UTC -6)
Sun, Aug 28, 2016, 9:32pm (UTC -6)
Fri, Sep 9, 2016, 8:40am (UTC -6)
Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 9:43pm (UTC -6)
Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 7:19am (UTC -6)
What happened to the borg baby? Notice the gleam in Janeways eyes when the Doc told her the virus is ready? "Now we just need something to test it on..." Bwahahahaha
Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 11:00am (UTC -6)
Also, I've always hated the idea of the BORG queen. She was always there but we just didn't see her plot never worked for me.
I also just hate Jeri Ryan being added to Voyager, so yes - for me the whole BORG plot has been done, by this point done to death.
I know I'm the lone Trek fan who hates First Contact and Jeri Ryan - but there it is.
Sat, Feb 4, 2017, 11:05am (UTC -6)
What do we have so far?
Borg act stupid and 'dumbass villain' that didn't assimilate technology and knowledge put on silver platter with Raven and the Hansen/Seven parents (Dark Frontier). -- For what its worth, at least it has awesome visual effects eh --
A chitty chat ex-borg (Survival Instinct), and now..
A kiddie-infant borg!! Awwwww, thats cute, or am I suppose to be scared?
Seeing the trend, I even can predict the next (or last) defanging will be the Borg Queen before seeing that last lame final episode.
Bad premise, major plot hole, cheesie scene, and bad acting all over this episode.
The title said collective, but nothing that the borg-kiddie action even resemble collective. If anything, it seems like a hierarchy with 'One' assume the lead.
PLOT HOLE :
* Why the hell the borg didn't retrieve the cube, even though it only have 5 irrelevant drone, the vessel it self still in pretty good condition, surely they want to take it back
* Suppose the vessel itself not worth the trouble to retrieve, does it logical the borg will let it intact? Not initiating self-destruct and let it drift for all race to take advantadge of it?
* It's a 'Fort Knox' handed on silver platter. Voyager only dealing with crippled Borg-vessel manned by 5 adolescent borg. Surely the want to raid it again, it should be a piece of cake for this crew after they encounter on 'Dark Frontier'. Ah.. but Janeway knew that this scene is about humanizing borg-cutie, not getting home as soon as possible, so why bother to even think about it eh..
* How about just shoot to cripple them, beam your crew out of there, raid the tech, get the hell out of thereor take control of that borg vessel altogether, Seven handle the control for a long time without real threat anyway --well, the episodes will cut short to 15 minutes then--
CHEESIE /STUPID SCENE for dramatic purpose that doesn't quite work :
* Is this episodes aired on December? Why those kiddie borg have so many silly lights on the suit. They going for Christmast and making borg-chrismast-tree?
* Kim cant-get-a-lock go silly by act scared, leaving convinient trail for the kiddie borg
* Kim cant-get-a-lock thrown under the rug for not being able dealing with a 5 year old kid. Seriously, he cant overpowered a 5 year old girl by brute force? It's not like the kid holding a weapon!
* Janeway holding the baby as requested by the Doctor. Hey Doc, you can't just scan the baby while still lying in the bio-bed? Whats the need to ask the captain hold for the baby? Aaahh.. for the sake of that supposed dramatic scene Janeway carry the baby while the Doctor give the pathogen to destroy the borg. I laughed out loud seeing this obvious trite/contrived setup!
* Seven got incapacitated by a juvenille only with gentle push? I thought she's a formidable fighter capable of utilizing many martial art (Tsunkatse). Ah yes, that scene is for the benefit of Icheb take standing to the 'One'. Give me a break! HAHAHAH!!
* Four disturbed children? By the end of the scene they much look like obidient children taken from Doc-kid 'Reallife' episodes.
At least on Dark Frontier we got kewl visual effects. Nothing on this episodes.
It dont even quite entertaining, more like a bad dream or jokes that terribly gone wrong!
I give one thing though, it has some continuity, and pre-setup for later episodes.
For that alone I rated 1 star (*)
Tue, Aug 22, 2017, 4:59am (UTC -6)
And good thing they gave a reason the Borg Cube didn't just destroy The Delta Flyer and Voyager in seconds, I was worried there for a sec. Sure hope the show will keep the dstreak going won't do somethign really stupid, right? Right?
Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 9:16pm (UTC -6)
Something about his goofy shirt with the big squares on it, that little piece of metal on his nose, and his terrific lack of acting ability just rubs me the wrong way.
But it’s mostly the shirt. Seems far-fetched that Ross would have stores all the way in the Delta Quadrant, but whatever.
Mon, Feb 5, 2018, 12:47pm (UTC -6)
Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 6:10am (UTC -6)
1) A virus that can be deployed to neutralise Borg cubes
2) A neutralised Borg cube, which can be completely cannibalised for parts and THE ENTIRE technology advantage of the Borg can now be downloaded from their databases
Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 11:29pm (UTC -6)
I like the premise of this episode although there are some holes: I don't think the Borg collective should just write off an entire cube even if the juvenile drones aren't worth keeping. The idea of some virus creating the situation of immature drones trying to sort themselves perhaps does make a mockery of the Borg, but VOY has already exhausted many avenues with the Borg. I didn't mind this idea of juvenile Borg trying to make it as a small collective with the hope of joining up with the full collective. Good teaser that grabs your attention when Paris looks out the window and sees a Borg cube right there.
Another good episode for 7 and a real potential turning point for VOY, so I like the possibilities. The biggest gripe is the child actors sucked, but this is common to all Trek series. The main Borg leader was insufferable, but if there's a lack of integrity in terms of their behavior, it can be easily attributed to their abbreviated Borg development -- so we have a very unpredictable Borg episode but one with plenty of danger as evidenced by botched assimilations.
In a way, I'm reminded of "I Borg" but this episode didn't probe enough into Janeway taking advantage of the cube or trying to destroy the greater collective -- if VOY picks up on that in a follow-up episode that would be fine, but this episode leaves a lot of loose ends/quick resolutions like 7's motherly role with the new (former Borg) kids (and what of Harry's assimilation? We know he'll be 100% by the next episode. And the Borg baby?)
Good enough for 3 stars for "Collective" -- there's a good story being told here although the execution lacks but the ideas are good (even if going to the honey hole that is the Borg and another 7-centric episode -- yes indeed Star Trek: Seven of Nine). This one could have been a 2-parter and tied up loose ends. I enjoyed "Collective" as an episode on its own as it exploits a once-formidable villain -- hard, for me, to go wrong with a Borg episode.
Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 12:21am (UTC -6)
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"Their ion trail ends directly ahead."
"I'm detecting another vessel, bearing 30 mark 112. It's a borg cube."
"Red Alert. Alter course to intercept."
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So this is what the borg have become. The captain of a technologically inferior ship 1/44737th the volume of a cube just says those words. How was there nobody involved in the production to prevent this script from airing in this state?
Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 3:17pm (UTC -6)
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I mean I think Ichib and the other big boy are really over 18 (the actors I mean), but the girl and the twins have to be minors. The twins had no speaking parts in this, but the girl had a fairly big role. I guess they filmed it over the course of a few days and just had to spend most of the day on other things to film?
Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 4:44am (UTC -6)
@Sean Haggins That was the one good moment, and I liked Seven's and Janeway's discussion about the sense of order borg gave was how she managed to adjust as an individual.
Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 12:13pm (UTC -6)
Seven being one of the first human children assimilated spent five years in one, she was six when she entered and the physical equivalent of a twenty one year old woman when she emerged despite being eleven years old. The process may be faster for catalogued species including humans who'd spend months rather then years.
I think there is a hierarchy among the Borg, assimilated children are raised to be Borg by the Hive mind, they know nothing else and have no loyalty to family or aliens so they gain freedom and become leaders within the collective. Adults become Drones who are suppressed on some level, I recall a scene in Dark Frontier when the Queen threatens Seven by telling her they'd turn her into just another Drone.
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"I found it weird to the point of distraction that with only 5 young guest star Borg, the identical twins had ZERO lines. They couldn't give them a few lines? Their total silence stuck out like a sore thumb."
One of the twins did speak. Seven asked, "What happened to the adult drones?" and Azan or Rebi said, "We don’t know."
I don’t know much about showbiz, but it may be that if actors have lines, they get paid more.
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@Jos I think at some point they mention beaming the Flyer out once the Cube shields were down.
Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 1:05pm (UTC -6)
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