Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

“Level-Five Transporter Accident”

1 star.

Air date: 8/20/2026
Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Dana Horgan
Directed by Jordan Canning

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Says the wise sage Erica Ortegas, "Absurdity's kind of baked into the premise." They may as well have named her Lisa Lampshade. Yes, when you have an episode about the crew (except Spock, who was off the ship) turning into puppets because of a massive transporter mishap, you have to accept the absurdity of it all. But here's the thing: That alone doesn't make the jokes work. The jokes actually have to put in some sort of effort in order to work. The whole attitude of "Level-Five Transporter Accident" is that there are puppets and this is all so very, very silly; ergo, this is inherently funny and entertaining. But it's not. It's tedious and cringe-inducing.

I hate to be a churl, but I get the sense the writers thought the sheer novelty of this premise would get them through the episode. The problem is, the novelty was already spent a whole year ago when they released the photos of the puppetized crew while the episode was still in production. There's no surprise here. We knew we'd be getting "a puppet episode." Now it has arrived. The question is, what can they do with it? It didn't take long for me to realize the answer was "very little," and not much longer to be done with the whole enterprise. This is what happens when you do gimmick episodes all the time. They stop being special and instead become tiresome and boring.

Look, I wasn't expecting a puppetry comedy as creative and mind-bending as, say, Being John Malkovich, but this episode does literally nothing with the concept beyond the most obvious low-hanging fruit and slapstick. The crew members get transformed into puppets and then are confronted by Orion pirates who attack, board, and take over the ship. (They are able to do this despite being Dumb Villains because our puppet crew is mostly helpless. Even still, the crew comes across as incompetent.) Hijinks ensue. But there's nothing thematic. Nothing metaphysical. No contemplation of what life as a puppet might be or feel like. I had questions, like: How do they see with their puppet eyes? Are they actual eyes? How can they feel anything with their puppet hands? Do they have a nervous system? Do they have blood flowing through their veins, and would entrails spill out if they were cut open? Do they need to breathe?

Actually, those last few questions are answered. At various points, the puppets are cut in half, or have their arms fall off, and inside there's stuffing and they can be sewn back together, good as new. And at one point, the Orions airlock Pike into space as one of those standard hostage-drama We Mean Business maneuvers, but it doesn't kill him, because he's a puppet and puppets don't require oxygen. There's no logic or rulebook to any of this, because it's arbitrary and essentially dream logic. But the dream logic is not played as a dream, but rather as Saturday-morning-cartoon slapstick goofiness on the approximate plane of Scooby-Doo, very little of which lands.

By the end, the episode goes full-on Three Stooges, with puppets attacking Orions in the crew's effort to retake the bridge. It's ... what's the word? Idiotic. Is it okay because the idiocy is on purpose? It's self-aware enough to include a Stooges two-finger eye-poke, which, by the time it happens, I was sincerely predicting that it would, and would've been disappointed if they hadn't obliged. It's that kind of episode. But I can't think of any clever moments or lines that actually made me laugh. Hell, even "Four-and-a-Half Vulcans" had a few laughs.

Strangely, the episode is actually improved by its lame "it was all a dream" cliché ending, where Spock wakes up and realizes the entire puppet adventure didn't happen. It at least papers over all the fantastical questions of puppet life and allows all the bad science to be dismissed. In terms of an outing for Spock, it shows his frustration in being the only person aboard the ship able to perform basic functions, since everyone else's puppet hands can't operate any piece of equipment.

In an early scene before the puppet mayhem, La'an breaks up with Spock, saying their relationship has run its course. Okay, sure. It's bad timing, because Spock needs someone to help him traverse the challenge of overcoming the mental hauntings of "The Griffin Incident." Enter T'Pring, who comes aboard the ship and is puppetized, but only after Spock assures her there will be "no hijinks." Boy, was he wrong. Well, I guess not, since all the hijinks were in his dream. But why is T'Pring a part of any of this? Something about Spock trying to work through something, something, Vulcan-human-whatever. Hell if I know. Why not?

I have no doubt I will be attacked for having no sense of humor. Whatever. (To answer that charge, I invite you to see the list of comedies in my movie collection.) Comedy is subjective, so your mileage may vary. But I just want my comedy to put in some sort of effort or be based in some sort of wit, observation, truth, character trait, humor, or jokes. This is just stupid silliness for silliness' sake, and while that's not a terrible thing by definition, that does not make any of this funny.

And it's long past time for this series to tell some actual stories instead of these shaggy-dog flights of fancy.

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    All I could think about while watching this episode is that I actually enjoyed it.

    If this was a 1-off as the comedy relief for the season while other episodes went hard on the Star Trek part of Star Trek, you know, the "Strange New Worlds" that is obstensibly in the title, I think I would've liked it even more.

    I even enjoyed the fact that they went all Newhart on us, as that didn't even seem out of place as they did an excellent job of shattering the fourth wall.

    How to rank this? I have no idea. The season has somehow aired out of order, Human Best Friend was objectively terrible and the rest of the season has been very hit and miss depending on the audience. I could see myself giving this episode 3.5 or 3 stars out of 4 if this was the first genre-bending episode, not the fifth in a row that can truly create fatigue. I will say, I didn't see the twist coming because of said fatigue, they've done so many crazy things this season that this didn't seem out of line.

    The only thing I'm dissapointed about in terms of the "Newhart" ending is that a lot of the crew (excluding Spock) is robbed of what was some legitimate character growth, which in of itself was a welcome sight.

    I'm very interested to read how everyone else thinks of this episode as I'm not sure it was "good," but it was "fun" and gosh-darnit, if they don't want to or cannot write serious episodes, I'll take fun any day of the week.

    Okay well that happened.

    It wasn't worse than Human Best Friend if for no other reason than that, in the end, it was never actually real. An ending (possibly added later) that, to me, telegraphs someone on the show realized "hey, you know what, we've actually pushed things too far this time." And then pulled back on the farce in the last minute.

    If I squint really hard I can kind of see what they wanted this episode to be. Buffy did a musical episode and it was great; SNW tried their hand at a musical episode and the reception was overall really great. Buffy's spinoff Angel later did a puppet episode and it was great; SNW tried their hand at a puppet episode and . . . yeah. Well, here we are.

    COULD it have worked? I guess it could have, because it did on Angel. Which is a very different kind of show, but maybe not so different from how the writers have been approaching SNW actually. Not least in terms of how widely it could vary its tone.

    What I'm saying is that execution is everything and this did not successfully execute.

    Nevertheless I respect an episode like this more than an episode like Human Best Friend because at least it was Trying Something. What it was trying did not work but it was not lazy. Nor tired. Human Best Friend was both lazy and tired. So yeah. I would rather the show take swings like this and miss than phone it in.

    I think there's a lot about how this episode is written and structured that suggests the "Newhart ending" (as Charles puts it) was an after-the-fact tack on. I'll be interested to hear thoughts from everyone about that possibility.

    @Jeffrey's Tube

    I think the writer's and executive team of SNW do not understand why Subspace Rhapsody worked so well... they have wanted to replicate that "feel" and "virality" without putting in the effort.

    My best guess is that their bosses (The actual Paramount Executives) have been hammering them (the Creatives) with analytics about how the average age of a Star Trek fan is like 65, which is a number that needs to "come down" or something and that they need to be big on TikTok and YouTube shorts and Instagram threads and you do that with big swings; so all of this season has been big swings.

    That therefore this has become the inherent problem in my view. By trying to reach a new audience, a younger audience, a hipper audience with no attention span, to "grow the pie" (the same reason Netflix cancels every show, they don't want consistent audiences, they only care about new users on Wall Street) they have decimated the core elements of the show.

    A puppet episode works if we have been doing other things that made sense this season; an actual treaty civil/war episode instead of The Hangover 4: A Weekend in Knock-off Risa, Jurrasic Park: Mars and Casablanca 2: More Space Nazi's and none of the emotional resonance that makes it one of the best Movie's of all time.

    I digress...

    Play it again, Sam.

    Outside of there being dinosaurs in Valles Marineris, there’s absolutely zero resemblance to Jurassic Park in that episode.

    I think the problem with this being a one-off goofy episode is that a season is only 10ish episodes total. There’d probably be no big problem if there were 26 episodes long again.

    Like this is still better than something like “Profit and Lace”, though that’s not a high bar

    A new candidate for the Worst Star Trek Episode of All Time.

    The first reveal was funny. The Orions were written to fit with the Lower Decks version, which I appreciated. The "all a dream" ending showed that at least one writer had one brain cell. Everything else was AWFUL. Scott's and Pelia's obsession with Declan Milder was childish. The copying of the Wrath of Khan scene was - well, heretical. Spock kissing Puppet T'pring was Stupidity Personified. And the chortling over an Orion burning to death was incredibly offensive.

    I've found several of the genre episodes to be fun even when other people dissed them. But THIS................

    It is getting more and more exhausting trying to like SNW episodes. Or even find something good on them to like.
    This was awful. Awful.

    p.s. apart of everything else, why their voices sound so weird? what is deliberate or they messed with the recordings? it was like listening to radio theater.

    I watch(ed) Star Trek for Star Trek, not for Jurassic Park, The Hangover, Casablanca or Fraggle Rock.

    If I want those things, I'll watch those things.

    I don't watch, so can't judge (I've only seen about an hour's worth of new content since 2023). But going by what I read in these comments sections, it sounds like things have become indefensibly ridiculous.

    Homages and gimmicks, when done well and served in moderation, can be a real treat. But *every* episode? That's about as obtuse as making every episode an MU crossover or Ferengi comedy caper.

    Good luck with the rest of the season everyone, I guess.

    I wasn't looking forward to the puppet episode, but I dunno... To quote the great Herbert Rossoff: "Forget it! Making it a dream guts the story!"

    Was this premise any sillier than DS9's One little ship or TNG's Rascals? It was a competently done gimmick episode. Making it all a dream feels like it was an even bigger waste of an episode.

    We only get 10 a season. We only have about ten shows to go before the entire series is done. Each one should count, but I'm not sure I'll ever feel the need to rewatch this one again.

    Another anti Star Trek childish mess for childish Instagram users, written in two days by childish self-congratulatory millionaires. It tells absolutely nothing except the usual teenage heartbreaks and doubts of CW Spock, it fails on every aspect and it was very hard to hold on until credits. Let Secret Hideout disappear from our timeline forever.

    1/10 because Jim Henson Company's puppets are amazing.

    @Charles

    "Sam, I thought I told you never to play that song!"

    Which is about where I am at with this series.

    Out of all the episodes of SNW, that was definitely one of them.

    I dunno. I see people who are saying this is the worst ever, and those who are saying it's fantastic, but I cannot bring myself to say much more than "meh" here. Shorn of the Henson Workshop of it all, this reminds me of nothing more than TNG's Rascals, where the crew (or at least a significant portion thereof) is incapacitated by transformation, which allows a fairly underpowered and nonthreatening antagonist to take control of the ship. Which is to say it felt like the episode wasn't aiming for a big swing, but to be "lighthearted" mid-season filler. At this, I think it succeeded in spades.

    There's nothing here which is that objectionable. I think the cast kept saying "we're puppets" a bit too much for my liking (protip: Trek audiences generally do not have room-temperature IQs), but otherwise, it was fine. Nothing here made me laugh out loud, though TBH, that's such a rarity with Trek comedies.

    Yet aside from a handful of gags about how the puppets couldn't be killed, they did nothing particularly creative with the premise. Even the final bridge scene, where the crew embraced their "inner puppet" felt weirdly restrained compared to the sort of slapstick you can get from a Muppet cast. I can't help but think about how much better it would've been if they started mucking with the transporter to make the crew into different, weirder kinds of puppets - like maybe make one of them Sweetums-sized, and swallow an Orion or something? There were of course references in there to other Muppet-related things (like all of them being inside a single cloak), but I expect more than just references.

    The only "real" aspect of this story, due to the ending, is Spock's emotional arc. I'm glad to see the writers have realized that Spock had to be placed back on the path to Vulcan logic to get to where we expect to see him by TOS. This is clearly a first step on that path. The end of the situationship with La'an was inevitable (glad they at least referenced the Griffin Incident) and I'm also happy they didn't actively have him rekindle his relationship with T'Pring.

    As to the "it was all a dream" ending, I dunno what to make of it. The scenario they set up in the episode clearly broke the laws of physics, insofar as the crew weren't even just human-puppet hybrids, but actually filled with stuffing with seemingly nothing to keep them alive/moving. But it feels like a cop-out to put in that last scene (which may have been added, TBH, due to the frosty reaction the initial teaser got a year back), as it allowed the writers to have their maximum "fun" with the concept, without worrying about how to fit it into Star Trek at all. Memory Alpha's going to have a field day with this one, for sure.

    In the end, a perfectly average episode of Star Trek, elevated a bit by Ethan Peck doing such a wonderful job of portraying Spock as frazzled. But average seems a waste when you're breaking format this much, since I think they were going for "extra special" ala Subspace Rhapsody. In a 26-episode season, this might be a needed break between big banks of heavy episodes, but now? Here? Dunno, feels like they need to make every remaining story count.

    The mind boggles at how much money they spent on this episode to give us a Star Trek parody. (No wonder they cancelled "Lower Decks".)

    It's a darn good thing they turned this into a dream ep -- but even as a Spock fever dream I just can't forgive the "reverse WOK scene".

    I guess half a star just for the Jim Henson Studio artistry? < Sigh >

    "it sounds like things have become indefensibly ridiculous."


    No such thing for Star Trek fans. Next weeks episode could be a snuff film with a soundtrack by Yoko Ono and there'd be people here saying it was great.

    I've been waiting so long for Star Trek to do an homage to "Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea - 4x02 - The Deadly Dolls (1967)", and now my dreams have been fulfilled.

    Dr. Linda from Lucifer as an Orion Pirate Captain wasn't on my bingo card, but I'll take it (and wielding what looked suspiciously like The Sword Of The Winter Constellations, no less!)

    I did enjoy that the wee little puppet men (and women) had the proportionate excitability of puppets their size.

    The hair on the Pelia puppet needs to win some kind of industry award. (The puppet industry, if nothing else.)

    Thankfully, it was a dream. The question of course, is if anyone needed an episode with a Spock's dream.

    I adored that episode. The only mistake was it all being a dream, undoing everything we just witnessed. This was the first time they succeeded with comedy since Season 2 (Subspace Rhapsody and Those Old Scientists).

    This episode, despite the ridiculousness, did a lot of things right. There's the usual technobabble explanation for why they all turned into puppets, but I liked seeing how the crew struggled with touch controls, being tossed around by Orions, sewed back together while staying alive, etc. M'Benga and Nurse Chapel are searching for answers on how they are alive, but can't get there. Admiral April is baffled and wisely tells Pike not to reveal their condition to other vessels until reinforcements arrive. It all felt oddly well-realized. I loved the crew opting to remain as puppets so they could all spacewalk.

    I think the greater conversation is putting this episode after two weaker gimmick episodes. In a perfect world, episodes 3 and 4 of this season would have been traditional episodes like Children of the Comet and Lost in Translation.

    Regardless, it's a 3* for me.

    Karl Zimmerman: "There's nothing here which is that objectionable."

    Laughing at someone burning to death is not in your Objectionable category?? Not to mention what Joseph B calls the "reverse WOK scene," which made fun of perhaps the most poignant moment in all of Trek. These things show the emotional maturity of an 8-year-old.

    There was one thing I liked in this episode: the artificial hand/glove Scotty built. And yes, Pelia's hair was the best thing about the puppets. But nothing could save this disaster.

    Very silly. For better or for worse, I can’t say.

    For me, the voiceover acting was very distracting. I feel like you can’t throw stage actors into a sound booth for a one- off and have it work effectively.

    Someone mentioned this on youtube and I agree.
    This was all in Spock's mind/dream, from the ending
    To Spock, the puppets represent the absurdity of "humanity". Spock is the one in control of the situation. T'Pring represents the logical aspect of his humanity and the absurdity is the "noisy" chaos that overwhelms Spock.
    The thing about "it was all a dream" sounds like a cop-out, it probably sounds like it.
    We could have had a scene where we see Spock unconscious and T'Pring there, or MBenga tending to Spock after the transporter accident.

    It wasn't gut-bustingly hilarious, but it did get a few good laughs out of me. The initial reveal of puppet T'Pring and the later kiss in particular.

    Someone else mentioned it about, but this would have hit a lot harder if it was one of a handful of "special" episodes, rather than just continuing a streak of format-break episodes. I think it would be fair to say that at this point, SNW is well on the way to completely losing it's own unique identity as a Star Trek show, and the writers seem absolutely intent on not eating their vegetables in favour of infinite dessert.

    If they can maintain a baseline level of entertainment, that's fine, but it sure does seem like a big waste from a show that started out so promising.

    Just awful. Can't even be bothered to critique it.

    Oh, it was all a dream...! NuTrek continues to serve up nightmare after nightmare.

    Am I the only one thinking that Ethan Peck is oddly starting to resemble Karl Urban this season?

    What a silly & ridiculous episode that was. Lightweight fluff is not what I want in my Star Trek. This one was just terrible & embarrassing. The Wrath of Khan reenactment scene was in especially poor taste. In the beginning, it did appear La’an had decided to move on from Spock on good friendly terms. I believe that actually happened. Ultimately I just found the episode to be just a waste. A waste of another episode. This one is already in the rear view. Was the episode just a dream I had? Star Trek can’t actually be going episodes like this, perhaps it never happened?

    After this episode, there are just 11 episodes left in the entire series with homage episodes to The Pitt, soap opera, and fantasy on the horizon. It’s clear, when doing Season 4, they may have thought they were on the seven year plan. Just hoping for a few good maybe even great episodes in the back half of the season at this point in what is shaping up to be a very disappointing season overall

    Oddly, as they’ve done so little in character development & moving things along this season (my count is they’re doing at least 7 genre/gimmick/homage episodes in Season 4) I’m actually excited about Season 5 as they’re going to have a lot of ground to cover. Also in retrospect, it may have been for the best that they were only given 6 episodes. With 10, I’m sure there would have been a few comedy/homage episodes thrown in.

    As I said, the clock is ticking on the number of episodes left. Like sands through the hourglass, so are the …….

    Three weeks ago @Jammer wrote, "Everything Is an Illusion. (The game is given away when Sam gets sucked through the viewport)"

    Did someone think, ha, it's been three weeks, time for everything to be a dream, and this time Pike gets sucked through an airport!?

    I get it, the episode, taken on it's own, if it had been 1 of 26 episodes in a year - all the others being "normal" - would have been hilarious.

    And there were scenes that were hilarious. Like the Zoom call that accidently activates video, when you totally meant to be off camera. And now the Orions can see you! FUuuuuuuu

    But that would have put us in a Season 5 of Angel "Smile Time" situation, where we could have enjoyed our Captain as a puppet.

    As things stand, I just wish we could get some great Star Trek, before they moth-ball up this universe once and for all.

    As T'Pring put it, enough with the hijinks.

    I thought this was weirdly good for what it was. I think I would have enjoyed it more if there wasn’t a forced black and white gimmick on top of a seriously average episode the week before and a completely useless stoner comedy the week before that.

    Here’s to hoping the back half of season 4 is a lot better than first. 2 stars but could have been 2 and a half or even 3 in a season surrounded by good sci fi episodes.

    Before I watched this episode I thought that there would be only two options: either it would be absolutely phenomenal or an absolute stinker. However in the end it just felt kinda "meh". The premise is so outlandish that it almost works but at the same time it's not funny enough to make use of the weirdness.

    "Vulcans are well-known as the intellectual PUPPETS of this Federation!"

    Love how John Schuck landed that line. 8-year-old me laughed out loud, even though I had zero idea what the Klingon ambassador was saying.

    Never thought I'd actually see a *literal* Vulcan intellectual puppet, though.

    @The Queen,

    From my recollection, the Orion XO's arm caught on fire, he freaked out, then bumped into a bulkhead and knocked himself out. He very clearly didn't burn to death in the scene (the fire hadn't traveled up to his torso), and I see no reason to presume they just continued to let his unconscious body burn, if for no other reason due to the fire hazard. Though since this was "all a dream" I'm not sure that level of analysis is needed.

    As for the TWOK "homage" it landed like a wet fart with me, but I don't have a religious reverence for that movie, so I had moved on from the bad reference pretty much immediately after. This being part of Spock's dream does raise some pretty unfortunate conclusions about where the line came from, however.

    So we all dreaded the puppet episode. Let's be honest, the premise looked fun but also gimmicky and silly as well. Muppets in space? Really? After several episodes of genre monkeying-around? The expectations were low.

    So it's a much surprise that this episode is actually pretty good. Not great, but good.
    The premise is used both for laughs and dramatic character building. This was a much funnier episode than Best Human Friend. The puppets are extremely well-done and on a technical level the episode is marvelous. The... uh... puppet situation is also explored pretty effectively. It's fun realizing everyone is essentially either immortal or extremely durable. Even Pelia was funny for most of the time, who knew? And using Spock as the straight man was a good call, obviously,

    However, the episode works best in its early sections. Once the Orions begin taking over the ship (in a series of very amusing sequences), the inner logic of the episode's wild premise begin to unravel (and we will soon find out why). If the puppets are established as spongy and weak in the first half of the episode, how are they able to punch people and deck them in the second part of the episode? And wouldn't a puppet still freeze in space?

    Ah, but the writers can get way with all that because at the end we discover that... it was all a dream by Spock.
    What a disappointment.
    First of fall, the "it was all a dream" is one of the most tired cliched ever in any type of storytelling. I can't believe people still use it. If the writers were concerned that the pupper-idea was too much to be taken seriously within Star Trek... well, so many weird things have happened already. People started singing. People turned into kids... I would buy that everyone turned into puppets. Why not?

    So, definitely a disappointing ending and sort of a cop out. It undoes everything that happened in the episode. The heart of the episode are Spock and T'pring. Yes, he will tell her about his dream, but it's not the same thing. She was not there with him. The crew drifting in space and marvel at it? Never really happened.

    Because it was all a dream, the episode is almost review-proof. Because any plot hole can be explained away as the logic of a dream. So what's even the point? I do have a couple of questions, though:
    1) Did Scotty succeed in his transporter experiment? And what was the transporter malfunction exactly that caused Spock to be knocked out?
    2) Why are Scotty's insecurities about his rival at Starfleet Academy occupy Spock's dream to that degree?
    3) And what was that strange shot at the end of the pupper looking at Spock and Spock at the puppet? Are we supposed to think the puppet engineered all that? I would love to know!

    And I will just say this about the Orions: I found them distracting. They didn't behave like aliens. They behave and talk like a bunch of 21st century Americans painted in green.

    So, definitely the best episode of the season so far, with lots of great ideas and funny scenes, but a weaker second half and a cop-out ending.

    Honestly, this episode felt too "meh" for me to get heated about. And I think that's worse than it being an all-time schlocky stinker that always stays with you. At least the latter has a morbid curiosity about it. This one just had me shrug and wonder why they didn't dive fully into the campiness of it all. It was like they weren't even confident about taking such a big swing and threw in the dream ending at the last minute, undercutting the whole thing.

    I agree that the voice acting was a bit distracting. It also felt a little out-of-sync tonally with the puppet movements.

    Charlie Brown style >*sigh*<

    I don't usually shout at television other than news, but I did for this episode, yelling "Don't do that!" not once but twice. Once when it was obvious that the airlock scene was going to turn into the TWOK scene -- I admit I chuckled though that they had the decency to not let Pike finish the "needs of the many" line before chucking him out -- and then again when Spock goes in to kiss puppet T'Pring... I mean eww.

    I do think T'Pring's out-of-character behavior as a puppet was a subtle clue that this was a dream/illusion/whatever given that Spock had previously conjured her (as the Previously clips remind). So I'm not sure I buy the idea that that final "Newhart" scene was tacked on later... But it is fair to note as some above have that the "dream," if it really was always intended to be one, has other people's perspectives in many scenes. Kinda like believing that (**spoilers**) OG "Total Recall" was all a dream (as some argue) but having to work around scenes like Cohagen and Richter in the office...

    Someone above compared this to TNG "Rascals" and that what I was thinking for much of this episode as well (down to the notion that at least some people a la Ro didn't want to go back to normal quite yet).

    If this doesn't deserve a zero star rating then nothing does. There is simply no way an adult person with even an iota of intelligence could like this tripe.

    I pray to God that the people saying they like this are being paid to do so as the alternative is too depressing to contemplate.

    Nobody in this production understands pacing or effective dialogue. I seriously do not understand this ongoing incompetence, on multiple series, across the writing and directing lineups. It's just agonizing watching some of these scenes get to the point, and wondering where all the original stories are.

    @voxymandias lol tonyour comment and I haven't seen the episode

    @Norvo I googled Herbert Rossoff since never hesrd of.him.and to ky durprise get fictional cnaracter from.the DS9 episode Far Beyond the Stars. Is that who you were quoting? I was expecting a reslmlife famois writer like Frank Herbert or Ohikip K Dick or George R.R. Martin or whoever..interesting surprise..thx for sharing

    I tried to enjoy this one but I was just kinda bored for a lot of it. I ended up watching it over two sittings.

    I actually felt relief when it was all a dream as there was too much in there that didn't make sense.

    Oh one other thing - I know the Orions were all a dream so it might not matter - but Scotty was talking about beaming just under 30,000 km. This tracks with the standard distance in TNG being 40,000. All good.

    But what gets me is that he's saying another starship, the USS Witmere is 29,647 km away. That's so very close in space. Why are they so near another starship?

    And then the Orions show up and according to Adm. April, help is 2 days away...

    Distance is SNW is weird.

    I have generally not been too hard on NuTrek and have enjoyed a bunch, including SNW. This week was really the first time I have been like WTF.

    I don’t understand how they thought this was ever a good idea. And honestly, this show seems to have just completely abandoned any premise of Star Trek and is gimmick of the week.

    It makes me sad. This whole show exists because Pike and Number 1 and Spock were so compelling in Discovery that the fans demanded they get their own show, and this is what they’ve done with it. Pike and the story of him knowing his future and having to stick with it for the greater good despite the personal consequences was so compelling, and they’ve turned him from a sympathetic and dramatic character into a joke.

    They’ve also largely insisted on forcing it to be TOS prequel explaining how everyone got where they were instead of just telling stories with the awesome cast they had. I should have known when they replaced Hemmer with Pelia that we were cooked. I’ve tried to give it the benefit of the doubt, but this season is just garbage, and it makes me sad.

    Is this shaping up to be Jammer's worst reviewed season of Trek? I can't recall any other instance of two one-star episodes so close together before.

    It has a long way to go to get to the reviews of TNG S1.

    episodenull:

    "Is this shaping up to be Jammer's worst reviewed season of Trek? I can't recall any other instance of two one-star episodes so close together before."

    There were a couple of bad Voyager stretches, but the season reviewed as worst overall is probably TNG Season 1

    I haven't watched modern Trek in a while and was shocked at just how poor this episode was. Awful, just awful. Sad to see the franchise in this state. Back into DS9 I go.

    "sheer novelty of this premise" -Jammer

    Nope, they ripped it off of the "Buffy" spin-off "Angel" ("Smile Time"). Like just about everything in this show, the writers just blatantly rip off concepts that have been done far better decades ago. These writers are utter hacks.

    @episodenull - LOL, I thought the same. After a couple of minutes of sleuthing however:

    SNW S4:
    8/6/2026. Human Best Friend -- 1 star
    8/13/2026. A Case of Chiaroscuro -- 2.5 stars
    8/20/2026. Level-Five Transporter Accident -- 1 star

    TNG S7
    2/21/1994. Masks -- 1 star
    2/28/1994. Eye of the Beholder -- 2.5 stars
    3/21/1994. Genesis -- 1 star

    As for the latest era of TV Trek:
    No. of 1 star episodes of Discovery: 0
    No. of 1 star episodes of Picard: 1
    No. of 1 star episodes of Lower Decks: 1
    No. of 1 star episodes of Prodigy: 0
    No. of 1 star episodes of Starfleet Academy: 0
    TOTAL: 2

    SNW now has a total of two in nearly as many weeks.

    As Jammer put it in his review: "This is what happens when you do gimmick episodes all the time. They stop being special and instead become tiresome and boring." If you're going to take bigger swings more often, I suppose you expect more clunkers that miss the mark. Doesn't seem that SNW is having luck landing many winners, unfortunately.

    When the writers guild went on strike, I supported them. But after watching this episode, My Human Best Friend, and the first season of Starfleet Academy, I’m now thinking having AI replace writers isn’t such a bad idea. I thought this was going to be like TNG’s Rascals. This was Spock’s Brain bad. Maybe it’s good that Star Trek is taking a break after next year. How did this show go from A Quality of Mercy to this? Good writers can make a silly premise work. But now I think Subspace Rhapsody was a fluke. I can excuse the occasional stinker when you’re doing 22 episodes a year. But when you’re only doing 10, you should have only one really bad episode. We’ve already had 2. I know it’s easy for fans to think they could write better stories than professional writers. But come on! Even fanfic is better than this.

    I would like to never heard the word "hijinks" in Star Trek ever again. It's kind of odd that most of Spock's episodes have been comedies.

    The dream business kind of saves it - and I don’t know if I would’ve kept watching if I hadn’t come here about halfway through and saw on the comments that it was a dream.

    The thing is, with it being a dream, they could’ve really leaned into it a lot more - I think just the absurdity/surrealness of it.

    And also, you know, Spock was having a dream where there were tons of scenes that he wasn’t part of - I don’t know if dreams ever work that way, but yeah.

    OMG this was awful. Not funny at all. What happened to high level science fiction concepts that I love so much from Star Trek? All these high concept episodes don't do it for me. Why am I still tuning in?

    Not even Spock was a saving grace here. In Human Friend he at least was funny by playing him as slightly frazzled, which was actually quite funny. In this episode he can't save the show.

    Ugh. At least "Human best friend" got some laughs out of me. This one couldn't even do that. I'm just glad that we're finally past the "puppet episode" and can hope for something better next week. Although I'm not holding my breath.

    So we finally get the long-dreaded Muppets episode. (I think it's been rumored for like 2 years?) Another total gimmick, plenty of stupidity with nothing making sense, but it does have some similarities to episodes like “Rascals” or TAS’s “The Terratin Incident” or “Genesis”. The bridge takeover reminded me of the idiocy of ENT’s “Marauders”.

    But for once I did enjoy some nu-Trek humor like the Orion 2nd in command giving Spock advice on women and some of T’Pring’s deadpan. Perhaps it’s best that it was all Spock’s dream though that opens up another can of worms.

    This episode has to be worse than “Four-and-a-half Vulcans” — it’s a terrible idea overall. What is instructive from this episode? It’s established that the muppets can’t physically overwhelm Orions but then they take over the bridge in some of the stupidest nu-Trek ever put forth — the episode breaks its own rules. Are we supposed to be intrigued by the advantages puppets have?

    SNW in a nut shell is hijinks is the solution, not the obstacle. Hence we get gimmick after gimmick after gimmick. How about one normal fucking episode? It doesn’t even have to be good. Just no gimmicks or hijinks. Pretty clear SNW knows what it’s doing and just doesn’t give a fuck.

    Carol Kane was worse than terrible here — saying Scotty “screwed the pooch” etc.

    So if this is an episode focusing on Spock losing his logic and ability to keep himself together, does he take the Orion 2nd in command’s advice? Or does he feel that chaos has some purpose? I think he’s going to do some Vulcan ritual to embrace logic. The episode is a mess as far as any kind of theme.

    1 star for “Level-Five Transporter Accident” — at this stage, SNW is beyond redemption. It’s just dragging Trek through the mud. Spock’s character has been assassinated 10 times over. But it is an interesting exercise to judge how abject one SNW episode is versus another.

    I was *kinda* looking forward to this! I enjoyed Subspace Rhapsody and if you want to have a ridiculous premise, muppets can be good wacky humor. But WOW was this devoid of life.

    Every joke was in slow motion. The Muppets are witty, quick, cleverly written - these puppets were...the opposite of all of that. It took itself too seriously but also didn't have any stakes whatsoever, somehow.

    If you want to make a gimmick episode, make one! Just give it actual laughs, actual hijinx (and not just explicitly stating "this is hijinx! did you know it is hijinx, by the way there are hijinx coming!")

    @Leif

    You got it, it's that Herbert Rossoff. I figured I'd reference a Trek gimmick episode that actually uses the premise to tell an effective story. Level 5 Transporter Accident is no Far beyond the stars.

    One of the rare times I have to disagree with Jammer's take, because I did find the episode enjoyable and pretty funny - I guess the silliness and absurdity won me over. It is certainly more engaging than last week's heavy-handed and excruciatingly boring Casablanca episode and is more creative than the Hangover ripoff from earlier in the season.

    In retrospect this is obviously a Spock episode. He is the only "real" character for most of the running time. As I see it, it's about Spock's inner conflict of preserving and protecting his logical side in the face of numerous emotional challenges - it's not a coincidence the episode begins with La'An "breaking up" with him. It's been an ongoing criticism against this show that Spock's version in SNW is too occupied with emotional stuff in this series instead of just being the professional, logical Vulcan we all know him as.

    So how does Spock find his bearing inside all this emotional chaos, or as the episode refers to it throughout, "hijinks"?

    Now, I don't know how much credit to give to the writers - they certainly showed incompetence in the past - but this episode seem to be the way they are saying to us: "Yes, we know Spock drifted too much into his emotional side, and this episode is about pulling him back on track to become the character we know and love".

    As a concept this works for me and makes sense. I think it's an interesting and worthwhile exploration of this side of the character. I'm just not sure "spock imagines everyone onboard turned into puppets, chaos ensues, and then he wakes up" is the best way to do it. I think the core idea is good and the episode has its heart in the right place, but I think they kind of botched the execution here.

    This could have been better, for example, if T'pring remained with Spock throughout as a real character and not just as a figment in a dream. If you think it's too silly and don't want it to be "real" in Trek's timeline then sure, the both of them can find themselves in an alternate universe, or share a hallucination, I dunno... you could explore this idea a million different ways, but they went with puppets because it's a gimmick and it sounds cool, so I guess the hope was that episode basically sells itself on this concept. But they just went with a wild premise but didn't commit to it and copped out in the end.

    So I basically liked this episode because A, for me it works as comedy because I laughed and B I like what they're trying to do here with Spock's character. I just think it shoots itself in the leg with that lazy ending.

    Are the very mediocre writers only to blame?
    Isn't the showrunner/creator that sets the guidelines and the tone of the show and approves their ideas?
    Who decided that almost each episode must be a copy cat or an "homage" to another genre/movie/tv show?

    I am really curious how they wrote the final -6 episodes- season. Did they keep their original ideas (if any) for a grand series finale? (or I at least I hope so!)

    The most realistic thing about the episode is that Spock seeks support in dealing with his emotional/mental health only from women he's dated.

    The best thing about this episode was Pelia's hair. Like T'Pring said, no more hijinks!

    We’ve had three below 3 star episodes in a row now but I think the more disturbing trend of this season after the first episode is how basically 4 episodes in a row had no endings. “The Griffin Incident” avoided having one altogether on the grounds of “hey we just can’t explain stuff”. “Human Best Friend” has some subplot about a saboteur and a bomb that turns out to be exactly the fireworks they needed to complete negotiations, but it isn’t explained how that really happened nor was it something achieved directly by the characters of the show. The black and white episode wanted you to feel like Una had some super difficult rule bending choice to make, but the ending doesn’t do any sort of job of making this choice hit…

    And now this one was all a dream! Wasn’t even an episode anyway, even if you liked it.

    You cannot have episodic television where the individual stories just do not resolve. And it also betrays the ethos of this show’s first 3 seasons, where last week affects how the crew feels this week. No one should feel anything about this next week because none of it was real and none of it mattered. If you’re going to commit to an absurd idea for a story, just do it.

    I agree with Jammer's low rating. I thought this episode was terrible and didn't even properly use its misguided premise; there are no clever lines of dialogue, no good jokes, nothing truly absurd. It's just a flat script which just happens to involve puppets.

    These writers want desperately to mimic writers like Dan Harmon and Joss Whedon, but they're not good enough. And they shouldn't be doing this in the first place. They should be writing science fiction.

    Also, this Jammer review has inspired me to rewatch "Being John Malkovich".

    @Lynos: "it was all a dream" is one of the most tired cliched ever in any type of storytelling. I can't believe people still use it”

    Out if curiosity, would you say the same about “The Inner Light”?

    It definitely would have worked better if: //We could have had a scene where we see Spock unconscious and T'Pring there, or MBenga tending to Spock after the transporter accident.//

    Just one simple scene where we see Spock actually dreaming, unconscious or lying somewhere and then someone from the crew tending to Spock.
    Then this whole thing would have been much better.

    @The River Temarc

    “The Inner Light” wasn’t merely a dream, it was an actually lived experience forced on Picard by a long dead alien civilization. The fact that he didn’t know how to play an instrument before encountering the probe but remembers how after his lifetime on Kataan when he recovers on the Enterprise is proof of this. I don’t think the episode would be as fondly remembered if it were just a dream.

    Totally agree with Jammer! Confused by what I was watching and who they are trying to reach.

    I've been moaning to my wife (poor woman) that so far this season we haven't even had a 7 second tracking ship shot with a Captain's Log, the cornerstone of good Trek. The moment that lets your mind settle into the story and the wonder of space travel, but aside from finally getting that at the opening of the episode... I was just in complete dismay at 1) Another Spock romance that went nowhere for no reason (I share Spocks confusion) 2) The premise, dream or not, was so stupid, illogical and bizarre that I thought I was closer to watching a special scene filmed for an awards show mocking the usually upright and solid series, but this IS the series now...

    It's not even science fiction, it something else... like an anthology series which different vibes each week. The TNG writing crew must me laughing at the drop in quality from Star Trek's hey day. Still waiting for the season to start. Hopefully it will before episode 10, or rather episode 6 of Season 5.

    With bad TOS and TNG there are at least the kernels of ideas that are worth discussing. We aren't getting that with this show even in most of the "good" episodes.

    Discovery was better than what we are getting with SNW. Yeah, it was badly written but I didn't get the impression that the writers were totally phoning it in. And, yes, while it wasn't any kind of science fiction show I'm interested in watching but they were at least sticking to the genre that the show existed in.


    Even the most hacky episodes of ENT at least had endings!

    In all seriousness A.I. would make better Star Trek than the writers of SNW. This show was always mediocre at best (you heard me) but now it's completely off the rails.

    For a minute there I thougt this horrible episdoe redeemed itself and we were finally rid of Pelia when the Orion captain cut her in half. But no. Puppets have advantages I guess. I guess the Orions didn't realize they can just burn them up with a blow torch. Or just shoot them all out an airlock and let them drift away. And how did puppet Pike get back inside anyway?

    So there are no buttons or switches that a puppet can push? How is it that they can attack and beat up the Orions and take back the bridge when Una and Laan did the exact same thing when the Orions first boarded and it didn't work. You know, because puppets are helpless.

    They should have had Spock wake up and find T'pring in the shower.

    T'Pring makes a good point: Chaos is how this ship functions. It is the norm. What Starfleet captain would allow disorder and chaos to be the norm on their ship? The writers have turned Pike into an incompetent joke of a captian, but they don't seem to realize it. The writers have no idea what a commanding officer in a quasi military organization or the boss of a small company should act like. Or maybe they are trying to make a sitcom out of Star Trek or a isney channel type show using the trope where the dad is the lovable but neutered bumbling buffoon.

    The writers have also sullied Spock's legacy. They have turned him into a basket case who is committed to an asylum, suffers panic attacks, anxiety, can't make decisions and has codependent relationships with different women under his command. Hardly the material for a commanding officer, let alone the character of Spock, the intellectual, logical and ethical heart of Star Trek for 60 years.

    Just when I thought there's nowhere to go but up afte the abomination of human best friend, we get this.

    "The writers have turned Pike into an incompetent joke of a captain,"

    He's been a marshmallow since season one. It's only gotten worse since then. It makes no sense to me. I don't buy him as a Starfleet captain or the main character of a tv series.

    @The River Temarc
    "Out if curiosity, would you say the same about “The Inner Light”?

    No, the "dream" in The Inner Light is first of all not a lame twist ending, and what Picard goes through is not merely a dream but an unconscious state brought on by an alien outside influence. And perhaps most importantly, he experiences something profound.

    None of these things happen here. Crazy stuff happens, there's some good character development for Spock and some beats for the other characters (for example, that part where La'An considers for a second that perhaps it will best for her to remain as puppet due to her Khan situation), but then Spock wakes up and none of it really happened. And we don't even know why he lost consciousness in the first place. What went wrong with the transporter?

    Perhaps the most infamous example of the "it was all a dream" trope was in the show Dallas (yes, spoilers for Dallas :-)) where an.... entire season was subsequently revealed as being only a dream! 31 episodes!

    This episode was absolute drivel from start to finish. These one-off gimmicky episodes are killing the franchise (if it wasn't dead already). The irony is that there are some likeable characters on deck with which to create proper storylines. I'm curious as a Scotsman myself how others find Scott's accent? I imagine for many it's unintelligible without subtitles.

    @Paradise Bhoy
    Scotty I can usually understand, Pellia though.. without subs I cannot. M'Benga is also tough sometimes.

    If this was indeed supposed to be Spock's dream, should he not have been in every single scene of it instead of having to hear from the rest of the crew about the plan they were shown figuring / carrying out in his absence? It doesn't make sense at all. The writers could at least have the decency to get their basic narrative perspective logically right.

    Jammer is so right, having another out of the ordinary (not so out of the ordinary anymore) episode like this is just annoying at this point and makes one wonder if there is ever going to happen anything real / important / worthy of interest in this series again. What happened to ST's ambition to tell meaningful stories? SNW definitely once had the potential to this and it seems to me it would be called for more than ever in today's messed up world. (I have nothing against great comedic episodes every now and then, but on ST they work much better if counterbalanced by more serious and dramatic storytelling.)

    I would give 1.5 stars, adding half a star for the dream ending, as it explains Spock having a panic attack among other exaggerated or atypical character reactions. The comedy was more miss than hit and the parts exploring the dream logic were too short. With better execution (and more normal episodes) this might have been a decent one-off. In fact with great execution maybe we would have gotten a better understanding of Spock grappling with his human half.

    Instead it feels like we are going nowhere fast. I've had too many instances this season of sitting back in my chair and wondering what exactly I am watching. The puppet episode could have been worse I suppose, but it could have been way better, and it could have been a welcome detour after a spate of serious episodes.

    While lots of people might not like this episode, the crew that worked on the puppets should be applauded, I think.
    A lot of dexterity went on to the puppets actions, mannerism etc

    @Cynic: That's it: This review should've been a high-concept gimmick where each scene was heckled by Waldorf and Statler. Then I could be accused of Too Many Gimmick Reviews (and rightly so).

    That was a big nothing burger, main problem it was not that funny. Star Trek is not Buffy, so the comedy is a bit out there and does not work that well. The puppet work was great, but the story and jokes did not land for me. It was not offensive or anything, just mostly boring. So 1 1/2 star from me. Now we had Event Horizon, The Hangover, Casablanca and now the Muppets rip off. The writers room is out of ideas... get better people next time

    Yeah, my instincts about this one were spot-on

    I'm not watching Sesame Star Trek, gtfo of here with this s

    If they were absolutely bound and determined to do muppet/puppet episode, it would have gone down a lot better in a slice-of-life, human insight kind of episode. Something along the lines of ...

    Cold open is a muppet/puppet show. But not of the current crew. Just some typical silly hijinks of a show typical of this type. At the end of the muppet show, we see some of the Enterprise crew in the crowd. They make light fun of it, perhaps Uhura or someone defending it as solid entertainment.

    The troupe comes out after the show and is led by a semi-eccentric man (but nothing over the top). Their ride to the next stop on their tour is delayed. Can the Enterprise give them a lift? La'an and Pike aren't so sure, but Uhura and Scotty convince them to do it since it's on the way to the next mission. The troupe leader promises Pike and La'an a special performance before they depart. Cut to credits.

    The next two-thirds of the show is the troupe leader and various troupe members following the crew around observing them in their day to day routines. Perhaps there is one minor space scare during this time, but nothing big. The troupe members are annoying at first, but eventually friendships are formed.

    The last fourth of the episode is the actual muppet show the troupe has prepared as a parting gift. And it's the crew from the Enterprise. At first it's funny and silly and everyone is having a good laugh, but as the muppet show goes on, we learn there's actually a lot of depth to this troupe. The show actually touches on a lot of emotions as the muppets explore La'an's loneliness, M'Benga's pain, etc.

    The muppet show ends with the crew expressing how much being on the Enterprise means to them and how they are family. And the last scene of the show is our crew applauding with La'an with a tear in her eye.

    I ain't saying it's GREAT or that muppets should have been done at all, but I think it's a far sight better presentation than a transporter accident that makes Scotty look Stupid AF.

    Lynos - As I see it, it's about Spock's inner conflict of preserving and protecting his logical side in the face of numerous emotional challenges - it's not a coincidence the episode begins with La'An "breaking up" with him. It's been an ongoing criticism against this show that Spock's version in SNW is too occupied with emotional stuff in this series instead of just being the professional, logical Vulcan we all know him as.

    . . . As a concept this works for me and makes sense. I think it's an interesting and worthwhile exploration of this side of the character. I'm just not sure "spock imagines everyone onboard turned into puppets, chaos ensues, and then he wakes up" is the best way to do it.

    You know what? I agree with you that the writers had an actual intention here to right the sinking ship of Spock. But they couldn't figure out how to do it as science fiction, especially because they muffed better opportunities in earlier episodes. I mean, in the Griffin Incident he was clinging to logic like a life preserver, and in the next hallucinations episode he was able to function despite seeing cactus people. This episode has him back in the emotional swamp AGAIN.

    These writers just aren't competent, and the direction they're getting from the executives is only making things worse.

    Yea, I agree with you. Like I said, I think they had the right idea, it's just that the execution, while amusing, is a case of losing the forest for the trees. They make a direct connection between the events of this episode to the events on the Griffin. they bring T'pring back. But then they don't really use her as a real character. We had a scene where Spock promises her "no more hijinks" if she comes aboard, and then that shot where he turns and sees she's turned into a puppet and the camera pushes in on her... I thought that was really well-done in terms of the juxtaposition of what he promised her vs. what ended up happening. This had potential for great comedic and dramatic storytelling despite the puppets.
    But alas, as the ending tells us, none of this really happened. How can you seriously critic an episode where 90 percent of the events didn't really happen? It's just an empty hole.

    Someone compared this to The Inner Light. I think in that episode, even though the events didn't really happen physically, they did happen, because Picard experienced them as real. I don't know if I'm explaining the distinction correctly. There is a difference between a dream or hallucination and between the alien immersive life-like process Picard went through. The events in The Inner Light had something profound to say not only about Picard's character but also about the human condition. How much are we really bound to our destiny? What is happiness, really? How much are we aware of our inner thoughts and desires?

    The issue I have with the ending here isn't only that it was all a dream and didn't happen physically, it's that we were tricked. At least that's how I feel. And i don't like to be tricked. The events were presented as being real, only to have the rug pulled out by the end as a "a-ha!" moment. Picard's dream in The Inner Light was from his perspective. Spock's dream is not. It's because the writers are trying to trick us into thinking it's all taking place for real, but it doesn't really make sense after that ending.

    Some people mentioned it's hard for them to understand Scotty and M'benga. I always watch SNW with English subtitles, like I do with every media that offers them. It's just a no-brainer for me. Maybe because I'm from a country where we're used to reading subtitles, I know many Americans struggle with it (no insult intended).

    Clearly they're trying to get a younger demographic: but chasing "The Muppets" audience of 6 year olds might be even more overkill than "Starfleet Academy's" mediocre efforts at the teen soap market.

    Na, younger demographic doesnt watch TV. They are just trying to be.... "edgy" and at the same time cover their incompetence of writing sci-fi.

    Dang, you guys are tough. I thought it was a good, yet different episode that was fun to watch.

    My favorite was Pelia's puppet and of course Pike's puppet's hair.

    Waldorf: I don't understand. Will they turn back to real people?
    Statler: I hope not. That show was cancelled forty years ago.
    Waldorf: Too bad this show wasn't made forty years ago.
    Both: Oh! Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho!

    It would be too expensive to do, but it would have been cool to see some creepy 80s era Henson puppetry like the Dark Crystal or Labyrinth instead of Sesame Street.

    Maybe have a planet of automata. Are they machines with free will or is there one or more puppet masters pulling there strings?

    Use this to examine Pike and various crew member's characters. Pike wondering if he ever actually left Talos. La'aan fearing that she is a slave to her augmented genes. Spock dealing with all the typical Spock drama; human emotions, Vulcan cultural demands, etc.

    "Who's pulling YOUR strings?"

    @Punch:
    'It would be too expensive to do, but it would have been cool to see some creepy 80s era Henson puppetry like the Dark Crystal or Labyrinth instead of Sesame Street.'

    The Gorn in 'Terrarium' was animatronic and had quite the Dark Crystal feel to it. I liked it a lot.

    Since I was expecting the worst, it turned out actually to be not bad at all. Many people have already mentioned it might have worked because the premise was so outlandish, and I must agree. Something like Human Best Friend didn't work because it was trying to ape The Hangover. This one doesn't try to ape anything, I don't think? The premise is strange and the scientific (!) advantages of puppethood are, again, ridiculous but plausible with what we know of puppets.

    First episode is still the best (standard Trek), second is second (I liked the pushing of the horror boundary of Trek), and, to my utter amazement, this one comes third. I thought for sure it would be the worst episode of the season.

    As far as the "it was all a dream," I also think this was the best way out. The most logical way out, which makes sense since it was a Spock-centric episode after all.

    Someone mentioned how bad the voiceovers were. Strange that the director didn't give the proper direction of, "Don't 'do' a voice; just act normally." Though for all we know, this direction was given and it just wasn't able to be executed due to the performers themselves.

    @Sung

    The basic premise is ripped from the "Smile Time" episode of "Angel." But of course it works there because that's a show that features magic and the supernatural, "Star Trek" is supposed to be more grounded, i.e. the technobabble should be logical and ideally related to something scientifically plausible.

    I suppose they did bring out the "it was all a dream" cliche which technically makes it believable. But good writers don't use that cliche very often because it also makes the audience feel like you wasted their time if it doesn't advance the actual plot a lot more than this.

    The puppet premise would have worked for me if it had been used as part of an episode or perhaps as a way to teach kids in the ST universe how people on a starship work together. As it stands now I'd just prefer to forget this one. It's not the worst SNW episode I've seen nor the worst ST has offered up ever. Overall, it was another wasted opportunity. "Enterprise" bored me to tears so much that I stopped watching after 6 episodes (I've since watched them all years after it was cancelled). Lousy is lousy whether it's new or old.

    "Level Five Transporter Accident"? More like Live Five Stupidity.

    I'm hoping the next people bring Star Trek to its senses.

    So there are three more gimmick episodes?
    - "The Pitt," which I guess means a real-time episode. Could be fine.
    - Soap opera. NO. Unless it involves actual soap in some scientific way.
    - Fantasy. We've already had that more than once: Elysian Kingdom, Those Old Scientists, and New Life and New Civilizations . I even liked Those Old Scientists, but please, why repeat yourselves?

    The character of Pelia only now makes sense because she finally found her stride as an absurd muppet.

    Lol, so true. I actually enjoyed Pelia in this episode and her pupped was marvelous. If the show had more guts, this would not be a dream, and at the end they would all go back to normal... except Pelia. The solution wouldn't work on her somehow and she would be stuck as a pupper for the remainder of the series. Imagine Engineering with Scottie running around and Pelia trying to catch up with him as a puppet, spouting her nonsense. Hey, this would not be the first time a science fiction show had a puppet or CGI character as comic relief, and let's just call the kettle what it is (is this a proverb?). Pelia at this point serves as comic relief. Just embrace it, writers, and make her a puppet! Ah, what missed opportunity.

    This all just makes me realize even more how much the idea of the dream is absurd and as written only serves to trick the viewer into thinking the episode is something it is not. If it was a really a dream, and we follow traditional dream logic, the crew would not need to find a solution. All hell would break loose, the Orions would take over the ship, all hope will seem lost... and then Spock will wake up. It's not like he's the lynchpin for the solution or something. the gang plans and executes everything outside of his perspective. And he himself is saved by T'pring. The only reason this is done this way, with the traditional structure of conflict-problem-solution, is to trick us into believing all of this is really happening. Boo.

    It's pretty clear that it wasn't meant to be a dream episode.

    It feels more like the final product is caught between different script rewrites. There were pretty clearly supposed to be through-lines (the practical problem-solving of puppets learning to manipulate their environment, the moral lesson of The New Captain's Chair, even the puppets somehow learning to power up by Embracing the Hijinks). But the episode can't commit to any of them, so they all arrive half-baked and trip over each other and go nowhere, all while, simultaneously, nothing particularly funny is happening unless the entire joke being "puppets are silly" hits for you.

    The shot of Spock making out with Puppet T'Pring while his puppet mates float around in space was the natural end point of all the puppet hijinks. But clearly someone in charged flinched and tacked on the Newhart ending. That even annoys me as someone who didn't care for it; I'd rather have a bad episode that owns what it is instead of a bad episode that just negates itself.

    I didn’t dislike this as much as Jammer but for an episode featuring puppets I found it strangely dull.

    I am at a loss for words. This is probably the culmination of SNW's approach to gimmick episodes. But for the most part, the gimmicks were usually entertaining. This was not. It was so dumb. It was actually pretty boring. Even accepting the "it was all a dream" coda, there was no point here. We don't learn anything about Spock. The Spock we know was never one to "embrace the chaos." He was the calm, rational one in the midst of chaos. This Spock seems to be in the midst of a nervous breakdown. I might even suggest "bad acid trip," but that would have been more entertaining. The only thing this episode proves is "Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should." I'm hoping the rest of the season gets better from here. It is hard to imagine something worse.

    @Lord Garth. I've been reading some of your comments over at Trekbbs. You have more patience than I do.

    Reading the TrekBBS is like watching ants swarm. No dissent will go unanswered, no negative reaction un-attacked. The excuses come thick and fast.

    The effort some of those posters put into arguing everyone else should be bunch of uncritical, slack-jawed idiots is astonishing: it's "fun!" Are you against "fun?" Trek was always this stupid, don't listen to grifters, it's impossible to dislike this on its own merits. Etc. etc. etc. I've never seen so many otherwise intelligent people work so hard to be so stupid.

    @Job If that's the same Lord Garth who admitted to not watching the episode before rating it, he got off lightly over at TrekBBS.

    TREKBBS is basically the following conversation, repeated endlessly:

    ALBERTO EINSTEIN: This [cites example] is stupid and an example of bad writing.

    TREKFAN666: Actually [cites example] was done before in the following Trek episodes: [cites episodes]

    ALBERTO EINSTEIN: Those are bad episodes.

    TREKFAN666: So you're not a Trek fan? Because Trek has always had bad episodes.

    ALBERTO EINSTEIN: ....

    @TheRealTrent There is certainly an extent to which TrekBBS fandom bleeds over into just not having standards. But most of the arguments that prompt people to start citing episodes are about whether something is "true Trek" and/or whether such-and-such episode will be the end of Trek. The endless citing-of-precedent largely comes in that context.

    Not to defend TrekBBS as flawless. There really *is* a certain overblown reverence for SNW that is concomitant with the forum's overblown antipathy to Discovery, the one is directly related to the other, and they fucked all the way up by failing to crack down on said overblown antipathy. So we're having the conversation in the wake of all that.

    But the above largely holds even given those constraints.

    (Also, speaking of having standards, it is NEVER EVER ACCEPTABLE to try to comment on a text you haven't watched or read. Don't waste everyone else's time with such nonsense. Advantage: TrekBBS on this one. Garth should know better.)

    @episodenull: I'm obviously in the minority here for liking this episode, I think it's only me, Bryan and Eric Hensen...? Not sure. Anyway, we're in the minority. But it never crossed my mind to tell people who disliked it that they don't know what "fun" is. What's interesting about your comment is that you say that people over at Other Trek Forums (I would have no idea, I only visit this one) say it's "fun" and that "Trek always had stupid episode" in the same breath.

    Isn't this damning with faint praise? Are they apologizing for liking it? It's like that annoying comment people make to justify lazy, badly scripted blockbusters: "Just leave your brain at the door and enjoy".

    I thought it was fun and funny but I mostly liked it because in my view it had something smart and interesting to say about Spock's character, and if they managed to stick the landing - solve it all in a fun and creative way and not slap an "it was all a dream" ending on it, this would probably easily be a 3.5 star episode for me. But I am not fond of the episode because it's "stupid". I think it's much better than Spock's Brain for example or maybe even Threshold, even though I haven't rewatched that one in a long time.

    I do think there is an obvious penchant for comedy within the writers room of SNW. I found my old review of Subspace Rhapsody from all the way back in season 2, and I feel like what I wrote there applies here as well, and the only changes I made is that I replaced all musical mentions with puppet mentions:

    "Also, the more I think about it, the more I realize that a puppet episode probably could not have been done with any other crew other than the SNW one.
    There is something about the tone of the show and the relationship between the characters that allows this. Can you imagine the TNG characters turn into puppets? Horrible. Kirk's crew? No way. DS 9 getting filled with puppets? Please don't. "

    @Lynos

    Yes, that contradiction occurred to me as I was writing my comment. There's a few specific posters over there I'm thinking of who seem very aggressive about not expecting anything substantive, responding to every critique with lazy swipes and justifications, and also making it very clear that what they watched was just what they wanted, great TV, just like TOS, why are you so mad.

    It's why I characterized the discussion over there as aggressive stupidity – they don't just want dumb episodes for their own enjoyment, they seem to want everyone else to turn their brains off too, and they attack like antibodies when people don't.

    @Lynos, I liked this episode too. I liked it a lot. That said I do love puppets and always have. I agree it was funny and an interesting and novel way of exploring Spock's character. I don't view this episode as 'dumb' or a gimmick. I have been quite hostile to SNW gimmick episodes and frustrated by them. I didn't even mind the 'it was all a dream' aspect as what else could it have been?! I must admit I put my positive comment early on and ran as I was quite sure I was in the minority! :D

    Aaaah, TrekBBS...
    I honestly cannot understand if they really care about Trek it or they just want to argue about it. Sometimes I feel like if the Zealots are anti-Star Trek that just act like hardcore fans only to ridicule them.

    There are a few ppl in between who just want to state their opinion and chat about the show or an episode but they have to deal with the fighting sides, especially the zealots who will defend the show no matter what ("fan: I think this is one of the worst episodes" - zealot: "no, you are wrong").
    The other day the Zealots wanted to persuade an anti-SNW that it would be better for him, his health, his happiness, his whole being, etc not to watch something that he doesnt like. The Anti-SNW I think he was trolling them back. I lost interest after a while.
    Anyway, it is ridiculous and childish and I wonder why on earth I keep posting there.
    At least the avatars help me scroll and pass the ones who make no sense anymore.
    Here things are more civilized, people just express their opinions without trying to persuade the others that they are the ultimate truth holders.
    In any case, this is art, and some love it some don't. I am glad for ppl who enjoyed this episode.

    "speaking of having standards, it is NEVER EVER ACCEPTABLE to try to comment on a text you haven't watched or read"


    I don't think this is true at all. Some people love Taco Bell. How many times do you have to eat at Taco Bell before you say "This new menu item looks like another unholy gastronomical abomination"? The same people who love everything with the Taco Bell logo on it will swear that the new Gordita Supreme with Fiery Fiesta Cyclospora Sauce™ is mana from heaven, but do you really have to eat it before saying "I'd rather have chicken cordon bleu"?

    If you want to review something you need to experience it. If you just want to say "this likes more of the same crap we've seen for the last 20 years" I think knowing that it's a Star Trek episode about Muppets that apparently ripped off Angel and ends with one of the oldest cop out tropes imaginable is all you need to know.

    And here's the thing: if Garth did watch it and wrote a lengthy post detailing all of the terrible aspects of this episode it would only fall on deaf ears.

    @artymiss

    Good for you, join the puppet masters table. :-))) To be honest, I don't feel like I'm a "true fan" of the episode because for me the ending kind of ruins it. Up until that ending the only aspect I really didn't enjoy were the hillbilly Orions. (a general problem with NuTrek, that many of the aliens don't feel like aliens by the way they act and talk).

    Let me share a little secret: before I watched the episode, I came in here for two seconds to see how many people are already talking about it, I scrolled down quickly and saw your short comment. So while watching the episode I knew there would be at least one more person that feels like me :-) Then I came here and saw what the general feelings for the episode really were and then came Jammer's review and made it official, lol.

    theBgt,

    TrekBBS is an odd site. It has a heavy dose of censorship, in particular from some mod named 1001001. This is all deeply ironic since ST is meant to represent an optimistic future in which self-expression is an essential right and humans are trusted to self-police a great deal of their behavior. Honestly, the site is an excellent example of just how far afield we are from Roddenberry's dream. Sad, really, but not all that surprising.

    "if Garth did watch it and wrote a lengthy post detailing all of the terrible aspects of this episode it would only fall on deaf ears."

    Not true at all. There's a great deal of whingeing from certain parties on the site, but I tore this particular episode a new asshole on TrekBBS and I haven't been in the least bit mobbed or censored or persecuted. Of course it does help that I actually know what I'm talking about -- it's bizarre that "know what you're talking about" is somehow a sentiment that needs defending -- and that I also don't spin out if someone else subsequently says they enjoyed it.

    TrekBBS has its flaws but this fictional version of it that's some kind of a totalitarian kingdom of yes-men is horseshit, not to put too fine a point on it. And the specific moderator that @Seleska Hybrid is slandering does not deserve that. Forums that don't enforce basic decorum at some level can expect to die, Digits isn't guilty of anything beyond that.

    Wow, I've seen several instances involving that mod. Not sure it is flat out censorship but it shut down discussion immediately. BigJake, you're lying to everyone if you say that such actions to enforce basic decorum. People disagree with 1001001 and that person clanks a.thread or threatens to suspend their account. Anyone can go look at the site. There are plenty of examples. Seleska should be nicer but your apologetic crap is ridiculous

    >your apologetic crap is ridiculous

    It's part of the TrekBBS culture, which unfortunately is now making its way here: insist people can't believe their own experiences.

    We've noticed the board culture operates a particular way? No it doesn't. Hey, seems like modern Trek is overloaded with gimmicks? Wrong, Trek was always like this. Boy, you sure are hypocritical about arguments you dislike? Nuh-uh, go away. Etc.

    "Wow, I've seen several instances involving that mod."

    People routinely complain when moderators... moderate. That's in the Internet. I'm not buying that the vague complaints being made here have more credibility than the moderator being targeted, sorry. Seen that play out many, many times over the years and it has rarely been the moderator who was full of shit.

    So you can dismiss people's complaints based on your past experiences, but other people can't dismiss a Star Trek episode based on their viewing hundreds of previous episodes (plus reading reviews, previews, and stills)? Do I have that right?

    You can "dismiss" anything you please at any time, dude. Other people may then contest your dismissal and cite example to support their argument. This is called "dialogue."

    You can also accuse any number of moderators of all the sins you please. Others may then choose to find your accusations credible or not depending on what support they have in the actual history of the site in question.

    Since I don't feel like these are the sort of things that should need explaining, I'm going to leave you to it at this point. Have a nice day.

    I had to moderate popular forums as a part of a job for a year or so. Forums about popular TV realities and popular sport teams. You have no idea.... TrekBBs is a small heaven comparing.
    I do not mind if Moderators are strict, as far as they do not chop opinions they just do not like.
    If I was moderating TrekBBS I would erase every post that answers an opinion with a simple "no" or "yes" or "wrong" and I would give warnings to the posters.
    This kind of answers are disrespectful, meaningless, childish, flaming and spamming. Especially in a forum where posts can have reactions (like, dislike etc).
    It is bad moderating that these are allowed over there.

    I’m curious to hear more from those who liked this episode. What were the highlights?

    I consider myself generally pretty positive about puppets, and while overall not a fan of SNW’s gimmick episodes, I’m open to them if they work. I liked both Subspace Rhapsody and Those Old Scientists. I also like some pretty dumb episodes of older trek, including enjoying Rascals which shares a lot of the same stupidity with this episode (transporter shenanigans, any idiot can take over the Enterprise, acting below series standards). But despite all of that, I could not find anything positive to say.

    Basically I’m sad because SNW started out so strong and has such a great cast and I so enjoyed it in the beginning, I’m hoping that I can fall back in love with it somehow. Because to me this was skirting the edge of totally unwatchable.

    Looks like someone struck a nerve. Suddenly, TrekBBS is filled with dangerous anarchists looking to smite the board with their deviant opinions and the last line of defense is the gallant moderator. Yeah, okay. Or people like 1001001 sometimes get a bit too aggressive and shut down argument they simply don't like.

    Look, I get that some of you are loyal to the board. Fine. But stop pretending this doesn't happen. And to BigJake, perhaps you'd like me to cite some examples and we can go through them? You prepared to do that?

    TheBgt,

    "If I was moderating TrekBBS I would erase every post that answers an opinion with a simple "no" or "yes" or "wrong" and I would give warnings to the posters."

    Person A: "Kirk's mother's a whore."

    Person B: "Wrong."

    Moderator Bgt: "Person B. You are inflaming the site with your piquish wit. Stand down immediately."

    Person B: "Sorry, my bad. Your mother's a whore too."

    Moderator Bgt: "Much better. And on topic."

    Moderator 1001001: "Moving this thread to the Kirk Family Consanguinity Sub, Sub Folder."

    Let's not litigate the TrekBBS moderation practices here. That's really not in scope. Thanks.

    JANEWAY: "Dismissed."

    (Neelix remains, looks confused)

    JANEWAY: "... That's a Starfleet expression for 'get out.'"

    I would have enjoyed this if the story itself had been done deadpan serious. An actual amazing star trek episode that just happened to be done with puppets.

    What we got was just a one off joke that went on for too long.

    I think you could do something vaguely similar to Living Witness that might work. Or maybe Prodigy's All the World's a Stage. Have a (comparatively) primitive culture tell a story about the Enterprise using puppetry.

    What would have been fun is if they encountered a "Charlie X" Child-Like Alien with omnipotent powers who just turned them all into a form that makes them comfortable, except Spock, who he could for some reason not affect his powers on. Enterprise is to rendezvous with the energy being parents of said child, and deliver him.

    There you go, better puppet episode.

    I would have left it a dream but made it a shared one amongst the entire crew. That way it didn't happen but it did.

    @Not a Merry Man
    You know that is not the case.
    But I respect Jammer's wish and I won't comment about it any further.

    I just wouldn't have made it. Even if you have a great writing staff and a huge budget there is a 99% chance that this is going to be a bust. And if you are doing something as ambitious/foolish as a puppet Trek episode you need to be certain that the end result ISN'T just good, but something absolutely phenomenal.

    I don't think the writers and producers of this show are "swinging for the fences" so much as they are just screwing around until the show is over. Goof off and do the bare minimum to complete the assignment.

    One final thought: they should have kept Short Treks so they could get all these oddball ideas out of their system.

    Do a 7 minute puppet thing, do a 10 minute horror short, show the crew singing karaoke in alien bar for a few minutes - just don't make hour long episodes out of these trifling ideas.

    IMO it's pointless doing a "silly", "escapist", "funny" episode when the show has never first established a level of realism, seriousness and verisimilitude.

    The characters were already turned into muppets several seasons ago.

    There are a million ways they could've made this episode work as a comedy or offbeat episode by using the puppets in clever or metaphorical ways (some of which have already been mentioned in the comments). But they chose none of those options. They chose to do a dumb takeover plot where the crew are puppets and all the "jokes" are about how puppets are puppets and not people. Also, Slapstick Is Funny. And Yelling Is Funny.

    It's just so lazy and dumb and the opposite of clever. This wasn't necessarily an unworkable premise, honestly, but they put zero storytelling or joke-writing effort into it. I think they literally thought it was funny because the concept was the concept, not because they thought to do anything with it. And then they top it off with It Was All A Dream, which would've been unforgivable if it wasn't erasing an already unforgivable waste of bandwidth.

    The gimmicks per se is not the main problem. The poor writing is.
    But if they could write better they wouldn't rely on other shows/movies ideas.

    Anyway, Sepinwall (a famous tv critic for the ones who do not know) wrote next episode is much better. Shall we trust him? I dunno, but at least he is giving us some hope :)

    @TheRealTrent

    "The characters were already turned into muppets several seasons ago."

    Brutal, and funnier than the actual writers.

    @Jammer

    "This wasn't necessarily an unworkable premise..."

    No, just a risky one. I think something like this needed set-up, where the puppets were a deeper metaphor for feeling powerless or manipulated, etc. and there would be some catharsis at the end involving fundamental character or story changes. Of course none of that happened so we're left with... uhh, Puppets Funny Because Silly.

    There are apparently a few people who wanted to hear more from those of us who liked the episode, so I gave it some thought. At first I was disappointed because they went with the most obvious and lazy premise possible in order to have Muppet-style puppets on Star Trek. I guess they have to call them "puppets" for trademark reasons, even though they're unmistakably in that signature style of puppetry. But I was gradually won over by the charming absurdity of it all. It's not great, but I can't bring myself to hate it.

    There were several things that worked for me. Not only was the puppeteering excellent, but the puppets themselves were all well-crafted and bore a striking resemblance to the crew. Pelia's puppet in particular captures the chaotic essence of the character, and the director wisely chooses restraint in her introduction: just quietly panning the camera over her after the slightly more "normal" puppets and letting the visual gag of her mere appearance sell itself.

    I also really liked T'Pring's puppet, and I think it was a good decision to include her, especially considering that she's probably the last person you'd think you'd need in an episode featuring Muppets. But that's exactly why it works. Seeing this rigidly logical and super-serious character as a puppet interacting with the equally stoic real Spock is amusing in an understated way that nearly all of the comedic Kurtzman-era episodes have missed, because they can't resist the temptation to ham it up and oversell the jokes. That tends to make for some very unfunny comedy.

    It's for that reason that the regular cast, lending their voices here, deserve special kudos for delivering their lines with just enough of an absurd flourish without going overboard by mugging for laughs or self-consciously telegraphing how silly the situation is, as if the audience couldn't already see that.

    That said, there are some problems that keep the episode from rising above mediocre overall. They've been teasing this episode for years, leading some of us to believe that there would be a little more to it than this. But as it stands, the whole plot is subservient to the bare premise of "oh no, we're puppets now, so what do we do about it?" Which means it doesn't really take the audience anywhere they hadn't already anticipated.

    I concur with the idea that even if they had simply played it straight as a puppet episode while telling a more typical Star Trek story, it still would have been better than this. At least then no time would have been squandered explaining the "how" or problem-solving the premise itself.

    This is also unfortunately yet another gimmick episode in a season that is predominantly made up of gimmick episodes, which only compounds the staleness. If it had been placed amidst more typical episodes, I think viewers would have been a bit more forgiving. It could at least have been regarded as a pleasant palate cleanser.

    That's really the most you ever ask of these genre diversions. We don't really expect them to knock it out of the park as if the writers were masters of every genre they dabble in. It's perfectly fine for Star Trek to occasionally do a light comedy, a musical, a horror episode, or some other experiment simply because it's fun to see the characters in an unusual context. But these sorts of episodes work best when they're relatively infrequent. Part of the appeal is the novelty, and novelty inevitably wears thin when it becomes the norm.

    BgT said: "Anyway, Sepinwall (a famous tv critic for the ones who do not know) wrote next episode is much better."

    Yes, for the past month or so, advanced reviewers have claimed that the next episode is strong. But supposedly it is very fast-paced and manic, and modelled on the hit TV show, "The Pitt", which strikes me as another insecure gimmick (the show doesn't seem to trust its ability to command an audience's attention without pyrotechnics).

    "IMO it's pointless doing a "silly", "escapist", "funny" episode when the show has never first established a level of realism, seriousness and verisimilitude."


    A similar thing has happened to a lot of media over the last 25 years. Continuity, consistent characterisation, and verisimilitude are examples of reactionary thinking while randomness and shocking twists are examples of creativity. But, as you point out, breaking norms means nothing when there are no norms.

    Does it all stem from our reduced attention spans? Is what's happening in the exact moment we are watching something all that matters?

    I agree that the "it was all a dream" ending for once actually improved things. I went from two stars to 2 1/2. Best I can do.

    @TheRealTrent

    I love this expression "pyrotechnics", I think it fits the current state of the show perfectly. I am stealing it :)

    Just saw an interesting meme on Imgur:

    If you hate this... (picture of puppets from this episode)

    But you don't hate this... (picture of Picard and crew as Robin Hood and his Merry Men from "Qpid)

    "But you don't hate this"


    I'll happily admit to being one of those people. Q-Pid was a fun farce with good guest stars and several memorable funny lines. It was one of only two comedic episodes in a 26 episode season. It wasn't promoted for two years in advance of its airing. It didn't have a hackneyed "it was all a dream" ending. No Muppets. Just a much better episode, imo.

    And even if someone doesn't like it they still had Best of Both Worlds, The Drumhead, The Wounded, Redemption, Data's Day and many other good episodes. I don't mean to say that having good episodes around it makes Q-Pid better, I'm just saying that even if you view it's production as an error, it isn't as consequential because it is only one of an extremely strong 26 episode season as compared to a (so far) fairly weak 10 episode season.

    I saw my name come up, and this is as good of an opening as any, so let illustrate what's wrong with SNW by taking SNW out of the equation. Imagine if someone decided to make a prequel to TNG in the same way that SNW professes to be a prequel to TOS.

    I can imagine Akiva Goldsman or someone like him saying, "We'll make a series set aboard the Stargazer! We'll have Captain Picard, Beverly as the Doctor, a five-year-old Wesley, and Data! There's nothing to say Data didn't serve under Picard before TNG! How about that?! And we'll give Picard foreknowledge that one day he'll be assimilated by the Borg! Oh! And we'll even have Ensign Riker constantly showing up! (Even though he'd still be a Cadet at this point). Even work in some Troi... It's great! Isn't it? But the Stargazer looks so '80s, it doesn't hold up, so we'll give it a complete makeover! We'll say the Stargazer was recast!"

    Then, on top of that, imagine that they have seasons where every episode is a gimmick and they're looking to see which non-Star Trek movie or TV series they can rip off this week instead of just doing a normal Star Trek episode. Then, to top it off, they have Data dreaming (yes, I know, he wouldn't have the dreaming program yet!) about the Enterprise crew being turned into muppets!

    This would sound like a ridiculous series. Just like SNW. Because instead of feeling like a natural prequel, it would be a contest to see how of the TNG crew they could cram in before Picard would've otherwise met them and it would be gimmick after gimmick after gimmick. And shows that normally have nothing but gimmicks are shows that are considered to have jumped the shark!

    I know some people are determined to defend SNW no matter what. But one the moment's past, you'll see that it's going to age like milk.

    Everything that Garth said is true, but the fundamental problem is the writing is just not very good even if you allow for all the mistakes they made for the premise. I don't mean in the Trek nerd "akshually" nit-picking either. I mean the show has basic writing problems.


    If a adult who has never even heard of Star Trek watched most episodes of this show, particularly the last two seasons, I think they would find the writing lacking. The pacing, the shifts in tone, the not always very interesting characterization, the lack of freshness of the plots would all be problematic for a discerning viewer. I mean, even basic believability goes out the window at times -would anyone who is not already a major fan of Trek not roll their ideas of a story ending with a magic particle that can fuel a space ship and connect a body that has almost been severed in two?

    Ugh, I am sad. I didn't know there was a "puppet episode" coming, but when it started, I thought it might be a fun little outing. But then it went on, and on, and on . . . I was getting bored but willing to give it 2 stars, but then "it was all a dream," and it plummeted to ZERO.

    What the hell were they thinking?

    @Grumpy_Otter "What the hell were they thinking?"


    You're just pissed there wasn't a festive musical number featuring a jug-band.

    In my last post I meant to say Data dreaming about the Stargazer crew! I have to be more careful here, since I can't edit. :p

    @Jack Kelly: Yup. I've been a Star Trek fan for 36 years and NEVER did I ever think of live-action Star Trek as being like a Saturday Morning Cartoon... until SNW.

    If SNW (after Season 1) had been my first exposure to Star Trek, I would've avoided Star Trek like the plague afterwards. Same goes for SFA and S31.

    This is almost like a case of someone trying too hard to say everything and be everything to everyone...and ending up saying little and being alienating to everyone instead. It has no roots.

    I think you missed the point. Check this guy out.

    https://youtu.be/9WUcmdtbv2w?si=vax9cWjRMLDrFo5j

    Spock having Pelia sliced in half in his dream would suggest he finds her as irritating as most of you!

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