Review Text
In brief: More standout stuff. Has the season perhaps turned the corner?
"Azati Prime," "Damage," and now "The Forgotten" form a successful troika of episodes that represents some of Enterprise's most involving storytelling to date. Surely, in the past three shows we've seen more pure substance than in any three shows from the rest of the season. And when I say substance, I mean not just plot advancement (although there's plenty of it) but also a reasonable level of thematic relevance. I'm tempted to wonder why we had to sit through so many vapid episodes ("Extinction," "Harbinger," "Carpenter Street," "Hatchery," etc.) in order to reach this point. But I suppose when you have 24 episode slots you need to fill, there are going to be some casualties in the midst of all the setup.
On a thematic level, "The Forgotten" refers to the Enterprise's casualties (a better title might've been "The Remembered" given the point here). When the tally is finalized, the battle in "Azati Prime" has claimed 18 crew members. In a crew of less than 100, that's a significant blow.
"The Forgotten" is both commendable and necessary because it humanizes and faces up to the subject of death rather than ignoring it as a throwaway piece of action plotting. Earlier in the season I mentioned that the issue of fatalities had been rather superficially glossed over — especially considering that the first two seasons saw zero fatalities (at least as far as we were shown). You'd think the first deaths aboard Enterprise would've been something of a tragic milestone — but then maybe not considering there had already been 7 million killed in the Xindi Swath.
The episode begins with Archer giving a speech in the engine room, promising that the mission will go on in the name of those who died on Earth and also "for the 18." It's an effective way to start the show, on a solemn but determined note that follows up the past two episodes and makes this feel like a legitimate piece of an actual trilogy, with the ship going through an extended recovery.
The story's structure involves two basic threads — one regarding the nuts-and-bolts plot involving the Xindi negotiations, the other regarding a more intimate character theme. The two threads at times cross over relevantly into each other's territory. In Story A, we have Archer making the arranged rendezvous with Degra inside the cloaking field of one of the spheres. Archer's goal is to present evidence that convinces Degra that the sphere-builders are the real enemy manipulating everyone. In Story B, we have Trip coming to terms with personal loss. Archer has assigned him to write a letter to the family of Crewman Taylor, one of Trip's engineers. Trip cannot face this task, because Taylor's death reminds him of his sister Elizabeth, who died in the Xindi Swath.
Degra, along with the unnamed Xindi council member who is always flanking him (Rick Worthy), comes aboard the Enterprise, where Archer walks them both through the evidence. He shows them the Xindi reptilian corpses brought back (forward?) from Earth 2004 and put into frozen storage since then (I admit that I'd written them off as long forgotten). He shows them the bioweapon-development technology that they were using. He shows them the scans of the sphere-builder that perished aboard the Enterprise. (Degra: "Perhaps your atmosphere was toxic to him." Phlox: "I believe our universe was toxic to him.")
What I especially liked about these scenes was Archer's cold — and yet cool — response in the face of what could've been endlessly frustrating skepticism. Not convinced? Well, then, follow me into this room and take a look at this. Still skeptical? I have something else to show you over here. Scott Bakula has refined to a near-science Archer's utterly serious determination, and here plays him as a man who is going to show the Xindi what's what, is certainly not going to smile about it, but is also completely rational and calm in going about it. It's an interesting performance that keeps us right there with Archer in his attempt to let the facts speak for themselves.
Trip, however, makes things a little more personal. In a tense but respectably restrained scene, Trip confronts Degra over the mass-scale death Degra's weapon caused on Earth, including the death of his sister. It's a dramatically effective scene, not just because of what it contains but also because of what it does not contain. Trip is angry but does not lash out over the top. Archer and T'Pol both shut him down but not without a certain understanding. Degra takes his licks and then takes them to heart. There are uneasy emotions at work here, but there's also a certain amount of civil rationality that is maintained, and it makes the scene credible.
Later, there's a wonderful and subtle moment that I cherished. After Trip and Reed extinguish a fire on the hull of the ship, which leaves Reed injured, Trip finds another opportunity to lash out (again, understandably) at Degra. A disquieted Degra walks solemnly out of the room. Just before he walks through the door, he pauses for the briefest moment, as if he might say something. But he instead silently steps through the door without turning around. This is just about perfectly played. Degra, I have no doubt, wanted to express some sort of regret. But what could he possibly say that would be of any value to Trip? In this case, it's perhaps better to say nothing. (The writers have done an excellent job of humanizing Degra in the past half-dozen or so episodes, and it's no coincidence the series has been looking better during that same period.)
Trip's dilemma of writing the letter is played out explicitly in a dream sequence where he talks to the deceased Crewman Taylor (Kipleigh Brown) and explains how difficult it is for him to come up with the right words. She tells him: "Just remember me. Is that asking so much?" "Yes," he responds.
Of course, it's overly obvious that his inability to confront his sister's death is the psychological root of his inability to confront Taylor's death, but it still makes for a couple well-acted, well-directed, substantive scenes. It also supplies some welcome closure for an issue that was prevalent early in the season before being set aside.
T'Pol, meanwhile, helps console Trip, which is an appropriate choice; earlier in the episode we saw her telling Phlox that she can no longer suppress her emotions, even after her Trellium-D detox. Phlox likens her situation to that of a genie being released from its bottle. She may have to learn to live with her emotions.
I guess what I'm saying here is that "The Forgotten" tells its story with the sort of conviction that was not apparent earlier in the season. Now that we're facing crunch time, the pieces are much more easily and effectively falling into place. Degra reaches his personal turning point when the issue is forced: A reptilian ship appears and threatens to derail the Enterprise's alliance with him. Reluctantly, he agrees to team up with the Enterprise and attack the reptilians. He even destroys them to keep them from reporting the alliance and derailing the plan, which is to have Archer meet with the council and show them the evidence.
All of this is accomplished with solid and efficient storytelling, good performances, and a respectable balance of plot and character. Right now is about as optimistic as I've felt about Enterprise in as long as I can remember.
Next week: Tomorrow's Enterprise meets Today's Enterprise. (No mention of Yesterday's Enterprise.)
Previous episode: Damage
Next episode: E2
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44 comments on this post
jim gosney
If Voyager and Enterprise had written episodes consistently like this trilogy throughout their entire runs, Star Trek would probably still be on the air today.
Chris
The trilogy ending with this episode is among the best 2 hours of Star Trek in any of its incarnations. Story, pacing, direction and acting have all been superb. Trip breaking down and T'Pol comforting him affected me as much as any moment in the whole of Star Trek, particularly as it arose naturally in the story, and was not forced in any way. A vindication of the decision to devote pretty much the whole season to the Xindi arc.
Carbetarian
I cried during this one. Four stars from me!
Marco P.
THREE good episodes in a row???? This must be some kind of a record for this show. I am almost speechless.
No fear! The inevitable traces of imperfection are still present, but there's also a lot to smile about in this episode (well, actually "The Forgotten" exudes more of a *sad* mood, but you get my point). I guess I'll start with the negative (in bullet form so as not to delve on it):
• Archer's speech, while a welcome novelty at last (the captain finally acknowledges the casualties) could have been done a lot better (see Adama's speeches on Battlestar Galactica for some REAL inspiration).
• The same can be said about Tucker's letter. Too short IMHO, although it did move me.
• When T'Pol tries to comfort Trip, why didn't she hug him or something? If she has now access to all these emotions, the writers should have embraced the opportunity. Instead they have her simply put her hand on Trip's shoulder sympathetically.
• How the Reptilian ship found Degra & Archer's rendezvous point is conveniently ignored.
• More importantly and all things considered, this episode's MAIN event isn't Archer's speech, repairs to the Enterprise, T'Pol's feelings, or Tucker's letter. It's the fact Degra has gone past the POINT OF NO RETURN!!! He attacked and destroyed a Reptilian ship! This essentially means *civil war* (that is, unless you buy the fact the ship was destroyed quickly enough, before it had a chance to alert to other Reptilian ships). This is a momentous occasion, one that Degra should have acknowledged with a lot more gravitas and solemnity.
All that aside, I agree with everything Jammer wrote. A very good outing.
I will disagree on one point though: "Has the season perhaps turned the corner"? No. Only time will tell. Optimism in this series is a luxury I cannot afford, lest it bite me in the ass (as it repeatedly has in the past) later.
Tiarfe
Finally an episode where I enjoyed watching Trip. The scene with T'Pol telling her about dealing with his sister's death was the best performance I've seen from him.
BTW, the Reptilian ships are awesome in appearance.
Cloudane
Yet another of the best episodes going, in this short little "clump of greatness". Powerful, moving stuff that really had me feeling with them (despite those killed not really being people we know), and very well done. Can't argue with a word of the review or much in the way of the comments
Including that first comment, that if they'd kept to this kind of quality more consistently, Star Trek (the real one not the crappy alternate timeline reboot movie thing) would still be airing today. Very true.
Arachnea
Thanks for this review and the comments. It was definitely another great outing.
I'd also like to say (To Marco P.) if you're waiting for bad episodes, don't be so surprised to get some. You can say the same for any 26 episodes show. And if you need to overanalyse each one of them to find the flaws, well, you can do that for the other series too. Yes, even in BSG ! And I disagree about the hug: the way it was shot and how the lines were delivered, I thought it was spot on.
As to what killed the franchise, I'd say it's more a sequence of events more than just Enterprise. The producers have been too avid and should have spread the series over time, with pauses. For example, having DS9 and Voyager almost at the same time was not good. Then, each show have had 7 seasons of (average) 26 episodes except for TOS (and TAS) + the movies. They gave us exploration the cow boy way, exploration in perfect circumstances, a space station and a war, a ship stranded in space and now a prequel. After a while, the stories in the same universe are bound to become redundant.
If we rewatch Trek, it's because it was good quality. Today, I'm looking for a new sci-fi show that's entertaining and makes me think. Well, if you have something in mind, feel free to share, because I find myself looking at a void... No more Farscape, BSG, B5, Firefly or Trek. Not even a Stargate. Sigh.
Nancy
This trilogy was very powerful. The way it ended - "goodbye Elizabeth" and the close up on the girl's photo - brought tears to my eyes. That's a first for Enterprise. Have "nameless" crew casualties (deaths of non-regulars we've never heard of before and who have no previously established relationships with regulars) ever been dealt with this seriously in the Star Trek canon? Intense and well done!
Mahmoud
Seems like parts of the episode were made out of order, I'm fairly sure that's the only reason we see an unconscious and near-fatally injured Reed looking hale and well an act later, shouting orders out on the bridge. Also, this episode suddenly has Degra aware of the memory "game" Archer tortured him with, yet the last we knew, he had no clue as to how Archer had this mysterious knowledge of his internal conflict and family history.
John G
@Mahmoud: It’s implied more than once that Archer told him about that, just not on camera, in particular the scene in the lab where Degra and Archer are discussing the spheres. Hence Degra’s remark about humans and their deceptions, and Archer’s mea culpa.
Snooky
Wonderful episode in an overall excellent trilogy of episodes. I had forgotten how good Enterprise could be when it was at its best. Connor Trinneer brought me to tears (again -- Similitude was the first time.)
I also at first felt T'Pol should hug Trip, but I think having her study his face and look in his eyes had more emotional impact.
I completely understood Trip's angry comments to Degra, and while his going off wasn't diplomatic, I immediately saw how it could actually help get Degra to see the humans as people who experienced pain, pain that he was directly responsible for. And that idea did come out later from Degra himself. Well done, Trip. Well done, Degra. Well done, show.
On a less emotional note, I also enjoyed the EVA segment -- seeing how parts of the hull can be removed and what a plasma vent might look like satisfied the SF nerd in me.
Yanks
What an outstanding episode!!
Little taken back about Jammer's comment.
"Has the season perhaps turned the corner?"
"Turned the corner"???? Season 3 has been a great ride, these last 3 episodes just elevate it.
Everything is well done in this episode.
Suspenseful, dramatic, realistic, tense... the ship is blown to hell, struggling to just "stay afloat"... just great stuff.
I've seen this episode probably 8 times and I still tear up when Trip is talking about his sister to T'Pol. Wow. I can only imagine losing a family member and keeping it all bottled up inside for so long. Conner's and Jolene's performances were outstanding.
Outstanding writing adding Trip having to write a letter about losing one of his team.
This trilogy is one of the finest in all of trek!
Easy 4 stars for me.
Shannon
Couldn't agree more that these last 3 episodes are some of the best work Enterprise had produced in it's nearly 3 year run at that point. Great writing, great acting, great directing, riveting plot advancement, and so much more... Some of the earlier episodes that were criticized now don't seem so bad, as they were necessary plot advancement tools needed later in the season... As for the series, unfortunately by this point they had lost too much of their audience thanks to Braga and Berman monopolizing all of the story-telling in the first season with bland and some cases downright stupid episodes. Where is Harve Bennett when you need him!?
Shannon
... and one other point to make, Berman was relentless in casting blame on UPN for not promoting the show which he claims led to viewers not being able to find the show. Bullsh*t!!! Check the ratings for the pilot "Broken Bow" and you'll see that 12.5 million viewers watched it. And an average of 9.8 million viewers watched the first few episodes. So Berman was excuse-making instead of facing the reality that he was producing a bad show. Pity!
Azdude
I agree with Jammer, except I would give it four stars!
Not much to add, except did anyone else catch Seth McFarlane as the crewman who got chewed by Tripp, at 14.08?
Azdude
I just realized, not everyone knows who Seth McFarlane is, he's the creator of "Family Guy". Funny seeing him on the show!
eastwest101
If I had to summarize this (and the 2 preceding episode) I would agree with most of the comments here but with the emphasis on "Understated but effective". A very solid episode where everything is constructed to take you where the plot needs to go. All the characters and written dialogue is believable and natural. A rather grim but interesting turn of events.
Nice little scenes everywhere such as between Trip and Phlox, Trip and Archer, Trip and Degra and even Trip and T'Pol, (wonderfully understated and they reseisted the temptation to throw them into each-others arms) - all well written to allow the actors to work and even used the guest actors well. Also the first time in the Xindi Arc where it seems that its all starting to pay off and begining to build towards something really interesting.
Not as good as BSG (which I am also working through) but definately a step up from some of the earlier Enterprise stuff.
Mallory R.
Wow, subtle storytelling just swept me away with this one. Emotional! Connor did a hell of a job...and Blalock continues to impress.
Kid Marine
I didn't cry during "The Visitor", I didn't cry during Spock's funeral, but damn it I cried here. I think the sci-fi machinations held The Visitor back from really getting to me, but in "The Forgotten" we're just seeing a human being having to face up to the death of a loved one. It's extremely relatable, it could be done as a plot line on any TV show and it would still be effective, but I think that's to its credit.
It helps that Connor Trinneer is an exceptionally talented actor and one of the best actors to ever appear in Star Trek, up there with Stewart and Rene Auberjonois. He really sells it. His breakdown in front of T'Pol was extremely effective and outright riveting to watch, and the last scene where he finally says goodbye to his sister had tears rolling down my face.
One of the best episodes of any Star Trek in my book.
Yanks
Kid Marine,
Agree holeheartedly.
I too lost some tears in this episode.
One of trek finest.
Diamond Dave
Notable for a standout performance from Connor Trinneer, which culminates in one of the most heartfelt scenes you could ever wish to see in Trek. Unfortunately the rest of the episode doesn't really match up for me. Yes, it's moving the plot along (albeit slowly), but the Xindi negotiations are not the most riveting bit of the story and while impressive visually the plasma leak again points to an episode treading water a little. 3 stars.
dipads
Here we have a green behind the ears crew embarking on a mission of exploration two seasons ago and whom are now faced with a grand scheme of the sphere builders to conquer the universe. The latter seasons plays like a captain proton serial but I will be faithful and hang on till the end.
TS
While I was going through the first two seasons of this show (particularly 2), I had a sinking feeling that this show would never get to anything that resembled the quality story-lines that DS9 pulled off on a regular basis.
Luckily with this "trilogy" of episodes - Azati/Damage and now The Forgotten, I'm glad I pushed through the first two lackluster seasons to get to this point. While the Xindi arc itself hasn't lit my world on fire, it is certainly a nice change of pace from the dull/redundant episodes that we got back in Season 2.
Connor did a terrific job capturing the sort of endless "denial" that a person goes through after the tragic loss of a loved one. Great stuff all around. Looking forward to finishing out this season, which has been a MUCH NEEDED improvement after the majority of 1 and 2's stories.
Rahul
Must say "The Forgotten" and the prior 2 episodes have been terrific - ENT is truly back with a vengeance after so much mediocrity for so long. It does make for a good payoff for a slow start to S3.
The best parts of the episode revolve around Trip and facing the loss of his subordinate and again his sister. A great actor can make the viewer go through the emotions and that is achieved sufficiently here. It's good that ENT is humanizing the casualties.
A lot is going on in this episode as it tries to move the story forward. The plasma leak didn't do anything for me - reminds me of "Minefield" with Reed/Archer out on the Enterprise. Also didn't care for Phlox telling Trip to go sleep -- I think in these extreme circumstances, he should pretty much keep going until exhaustion -- there's so much that needs to be done.
Archer is good in this episode too -- very logical, methodical about providing evidence to Degra and his buddy. I do think the part about destroying the Reptilian ship is a bit hard to believe given how powerful it looks and Degra's ship being so small and the Enterprise not really having much weaponry left.
Great end to what I guess is being called a "trilogy" of episodes. 3 stars for me -- the emotional aspects of this episode are the strong parts whereas some the "action" aspects seem a bit unnecessary as if trying to cram too much in 1 hour.
SoYeah
Trinneer's delivery of the "my baby sister" line is probably the best piece of acting I've seen on Star Trek. He really nailed it. Unfortunately Blalock's line that followed wasn't delivered half as well.
That said, this episode and Damage are as good as anything in DS9's war arc.
Skuffles
This season has been quite good so far, except for a few missteps.
This is what Voyager should have been. A ship out in the middle of nowhere with no help from home, doing things they don't want to just to survive, their ship getting damaged and actually taking time to fix, etc. If this was Voyager, this episode would never have existed. The ship would have been magically fixed and the deaths of crew members basically ignored. Voyager had such a promising premise and wasted it on fluff. Too bad it took Enterprise to actually use that premise effectively.
I'm glad Enterprise did though.
3 1/2 stars from me for each of the last three episodes
Clark
Solid episode and does feel like the show is hitting it's stride. There is a point though were Malcolm almost dies from that fire, really hammered home how little I care about him. I don't even think the other characters would be all that upset about it.
John
I don't think the Degra-Trip scene worked as well here as the similar Kira-Damar scene from "Tacking Into The Wind", and I think it's mostly Trip's fault. Trip has been rather petulant about it for some time, and unlike the Cardassians, the Xindi were reacting to an existential threat, or so they were made to believe.
Zakalwe
John, I don’t especially like Trip, though he doesn’t offend me either. He’s a bit of a hick and it stretches credulity a little to think a bloke like him is essentially a future rocket scientist. On the other hand the actor who plays him is above average when compared to the rest of the cast.
That being said, your calling out of his “petulance” is harsh. This episode makes it explicit that he has not, up to this point even attempted to come to terms with Elizabeth’s death. Imagine then coming face to face with the man who killed your nearest and dearest relative and extrapolate what your reaction might be. THEN imagine that not only did this man kill a member of your family, but he’s responsible for a Hitler-esque level of genocide. Don’t you think that actually, Trip’s apparent petulance was pretty understandable and in fact his reaction as a whole was rather restrained?
To paraphrase Khabib Nurmagomedov, I’d have changed his face on sight.
Jasper
I really didn't like the whole trilogy, but this was a solid episode. Degra is very well rounded character and played really subtle. I did think it was a bit convenient to have half the ship destroyed but the evidence still in one piece, but oh well. And a nice role for Trip. But Daniels, next time, take that bloody council to the future and be done with it. Come on!
spinalatte
Solid episode, very enjoyable.
Virginia
I don't think that T'Pol's reaction to Trip was so bland. It took a lot of effort for her to reach out and touch his shoulder in comfort. While she may not always cry tears-like she did when she went into the ready room after Archer leaves in the "Azati Prime" or when her Mum died in "Awakening"-you can tell she's overwhelmed when her voice breaks. It did here and when she told Archer she hadn't been able to meditate in "Damage". She couldn't tell him about her terellium addiction yet, but told Dr.Phlox.
Quibbles
Most of what I have to say has already been said above. Outstanding episode and Trip dealing with his sister’s death is one of the most well-acted, moving storylines in all of Trek. Some thoughts:
- It’s hilarious to see Seth MacFarlane as some random crewmember who gets yelled at by Trip. His cameo could’ve come in any episode and it was just luck that landed him in such a great one! Today he’s much more recognizable thanks to the Orville and his movies, but back then, none but the biggest geeks would’ve noticed. I remember there being a small amount of hype about him at the time. And wouldn’t you know, today Brannon Braga works for *him*!
- Among the many standout scenes, I also have to commend the excellent way that Trip’s dream sequence is staged: Taylor’s darkened, smashed-up quarters, a ghostly light across her face. It’s eerie and powerful. Kudos to LeVar Burton, whose directing chops are IMO underrated. (He also directed another one of Trek’s finest, Voyager’s “Timeless.”)
- I think part of the reason most of us love this trilogy of episodes so much comes down to screenplay structure. If you think of the entire Xindi arc as one long story, we’re at the end of Act 2, the “all-hope-is-lost” moment, the gearing up for the final confrontation. “Damage” showed the crew at their lowest point, while “The Forgotten” shows Degra’s crucial moment of character change and sends the Enterprise toward the season’s climax: the meeting with the council. Of course, these episodes are really well done on their own, but they get a huge boost from being at such a crucial part of the story. If the creative team nails it, “all-hope-is-lost” moments can make for the most effective, powerful portions of any serialized story. See: The Empire Strikes Back.
Paul C
‘Humanising’ Degra...? I know what you mean here but let’s examine what the humans have been up to so far.
Some very recent unethical activity stealing a war coil... the best of humanity is not on display here. If anything Degra’a attitude is to be admired.
Remember ST 6... ‘everyone is entitled to inalienable human rights’ said to some Klingons... they didn’t take that well.
Same here.
HK Star Trek
I can't stop thinking how emotionally powerful the scene with Trip & T'pol was. And it was great how they used the dead crewman under Trip's command as a vehicle for all that pent up anguish over his sister's death.
One of the most powerful scenes in ALL of Trek.
Great three episodes, shows just how good Enterprise can be when the writers decide to leave the Trek comfort zone.
Chris Nash
What a great run of episodes. I'm with Jammer in wondering why it took so long for this season to reach this kind of quality - perhaps the 26-episode season length is to blame. The danger with announcing a "season long arc" is that viewers will expect that arc to be advanced every week, and this goes double when looking back on episodic shows like Enterprise from today's almost totally serialized TV landscape. , Perhaps the Xindi weapon arc should have been compressed into half a season instead for better narrative cohesion and fewer fallow spots.
I also took note of Degra's slight pause after Trip remonstrates with him. Wonderfully played by Randy Oglesby (yes, even without dialogue and with his back to the camera!) - there really is nothing that Degra could have said to Trip in that moment, and you can see that he almost wants to anyway, but then the futility of it catches up to him.
The show has done a great job of expanding Degra's character over the past few episodes, and although I'm not sure I'd be so forgiving if someone told me they'd repeatedly wiped my memory and subjected me to what was effectively psychological torture for extended periods of time, I nonetheless see the parallels between Archer's attitude in "Strategem" and here: in that episode, he used deception to extract information, tried to gain Degra's trust under false pretenses. But now, he's being open and honest with him, and it's leading to a de-escalation of the Xindi conflict. This, to me, is a textbook demonstration of Star Trek's values and message.
RonB
Very good episode, and trilogy for that matter. The best ENT has ever produced in my book.
Only thing that bothered was how the primate — who was still unconvinced of Archer and his ability to convince the council — went along with destroying the reptilian ship.
This, and the monumental leap of faith Degra is taking, should have been better developed and explained.
I’ll just pretend some conversation happened off-camera that tipped the primate over to fully supporting the alliance strategy.
Quincy
Quick question. If the Sphere Builders are so alien ("The universe was toxic to them. The species evolved in a different dimension under a different set of physical laws.") they can't even exist in the Trek universe, how in the hell are they still humanoid?
EventualZen
@Quincy
>how in the heck are they still humanoid?
May be they're not, may be they altered their appearance so the Xindi would trust them more.
Davidw
Just dreary, war-filled melodramatic nonsense.
This is barely science fiction.
This is barely Star Trek. You could probably lift all of this and throw it into any war genre or even maybe cop drama.
Is there a point to it? Is there a point to T'Pol taking drugs for some reason because she likes emotions now? This is SNW level crap.
Allie
Archer’s speech was difficult to stomach given they’d just stranded a shipful of people in a dangerous expanse with a damaged ship. Trek was never ‘get what u need by any means necessary’ or ‘ends justify the means’.
It’s definitely reminiscent of humans who are terribly flawed but trek was the promise that humans would move beyond it. Enterprise has lost that.
It’s easy to make the right decision when there’s no cost.
Yanks
@Allie
"Archer’s speech was difficult to stomach given they’d just stranded a shipful of people in a dangerous expanse with a damaged ship. Trek was never ‘get what u need by any means necessary’ or ‘ends justify the means’."
Why is the Expanse dangerous for the Illyrians? Why can't they call for help from someone? ... their home world maybe?
"It’s definitely reminiscent of humans who are terribly flawed but trek was the promise that humans would move beyond it. Enterprise has lost that.
It’s easy to make the right decision when there’s no cost."
Easy to "arm-chair-quarterback" this. Archer had no choice and the writers weren't going to give him some sort of Mary Sue to make things easier. Christ, then everyone would be complaining about that. He didn't blow their ship up, he gave them food and supplies for their extended journey. Enterprise gained some reality... it didn't lose anything.
Gary W
Oh, okay…, what’s next, does Archer have to make a decision whether or not to beam a 5-year-old alien space child into the frigid void of space in order to save the Enterprise?
Or maybe Archer must decide whether or not to surgically remove the breasts of five female crew persons in order to complete the mission.
Maybe the writers will have Archer trying to decide whether or not he must run his dog through a kitchen blender in order to save the Enterprise and humanity.
What kind sick sci-fi pornography do we have to put up with in order to just have a simple story about a group of humans in a spaceship trying to stop the Earth from being destroyed ? Good Grief!!
Gary W
Trip needs to keep his fat mouth shut if they have any chance of getting through this complicated problem of brown nosing this alien Xindi big wig into cooperating and stopping their big brass planet killer ball from launching towards Earth in the next few days.
So…, oh yeah, sorry bout your sis Trip, but for the final time…, shut the fuck up! Don’t screw up everybody else’s chance to get out of this galactic nightmare successfully just because you’re butt hurt about your recently vaporized sister. Anyway that’s what she gets for living in that sweat box of a state.
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