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Silly
Mon, May 3, 2021, 11:30am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Homeward

*"he can do LINES and scenes"
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Mon, May 3, 2021, 11:28am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Homeward

After rewatching The Masterpiece Society, I'm wondering if that episode and this one are where Patrick Stewart just phoned it in.

Both are not Picard centric and both feature him having seemingly strikingly incongruent positions within each episode. Stewart is such a good actor, he can do longer and scenes very convincingly on their own.

Though it's also possible the writing for Picard is just lousy in both episodes for basically the same reason, that they aren't Picard centric.
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Sat, May 1, 2021, 9:22pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Scorpion, Part II

Yeah, but Kes was such a blah character. There were literally scenes of her watering plants.

There were several blah characters though, a major Voyager weakness. Chuckles, Harry, Tom were pretty darn blah. Tuvok kind of was too because the straight serious Vulcan thing was kind of dull.


It's interesting to read the beyond the scenes animosity of Mulgrew to Jeri Ryan. It's not hard to see why- Mulgrew was playing the first female Trek center character, then they bring in this bombshell woman and put her in catsuits.

Mulgrew repeatedly did things to screw with Ryan. The weird thing is, it probably helped, as there was almost always an awkward vibe between Janeway and Seven.

Mulgrew seems to have softened her tone lately. She probably should because Voyager definitely needed a new dynamic, and Ryan/Seven really worked. And besides, yes, some people do like to watch shows with gorgeous ladies, there's nothing wrong with that. Or at least, that's show business.
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Silly
Sat, May 1, 2021, 6:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Insurrection

And what in the world is it with those white dress uniforms? They make Picard and company look like the wait staff. Give me the old dress dress uniforms any day over these.
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Sat, May 1, 2021, 8:17am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Defector

This is a great episode, but I'm not at all keen on the either the characterization or performance of Setal.

I don't believe there's the slightest chance the crew would believe this guy for a moment.

And Setal's twatty self important is just unpleasant to watch.


However, the script does mostly acknowledge and even emphasize that.
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Silly
Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 8:10pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Nemesis

Bob (a different one):

The writers of First Contact said at first didn't want to do an Ahab thing because TWOK did it. However, they did want to do the Borg and when it became Picard vs the Borg, the Ahab thing flowed naturally. And Picard was deeply injured by the Borg, so it's entirely organic.

But other than that thematic element, First Contact didn't lift anything from TWOK. Unlike this film, and Into Crapness.
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Silly
Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 7:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: The Muse

Wow, I'm 14 years late, but I seriously agree with Jakob M. Mokoru, that Lwaxana should have been in Nemesis.

Of course, she should have anyway, since Deanna was getting married. But that movie could scarcely have been hurt by her presence and it may well have helped.

I guess it's a lucky dodge for Majel, though, because she would have taken the blame for it being a turd burger.
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Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 5:52am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Insurrection

I watched it a bit again tonight, and seems to me there is an absolutely jaw dropping screw up:

Picard and company are acting rather casual and goofy, long before they even head to the briar patch. The most obvious is Riker and Troi getting frisky.

But Picard was also practically joking about the war with the Dominion and the battle with the Borg.
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Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 8:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: The Motion Picture

Regarding Gene Roddenberry- he probably does get deified way too much, but the original series and TNG are the ones with staying power.

Now we have new stuff that's either prequels or milking TNG one more time. And they use curse words now!!

Bleh, of course his stuff wasn't perfect, but it does seem to drift toward genetic mediocrity without Gene there.

And even TNG-- as wacky as the first season was, I still find it mostly a lot more entertaining than season seven.
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Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 7:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: The Motion Picture

I just watched it again. I do enjoy it, but I've seen it enough to figure out more rough edges.

One rather damning thing, IMHO, is despite how much of we see of the V'Ger cloud, the cloud is completely irrelevant. It could have been removed completely and just had V'Ger's huge ship approaching. And note that, btw, the full ship itself was never shown in the theatrical, though this was fixed in the director's cut.

And of the abstract visuals, the only part that was really good was Spock's solo trip. That looked really good AND was significant.


Another huge problem is so many of Spock's lines are so obvious, he sounds like a poseur.

(Flying toward something in the middle of the view screen)
"SPOCK: Captain, I believe that is our destination."

(V'Ger pulls the Enterprise in)
"SPOCK: I believe the closed orifice leads to another chamber. Undoubtedly part of the vessel's inner mechanism."

(Enterprise approaches cloud)
"SPOCK: Captain, I suspect there's an object at the heart of that Cloud."


And at other times making gigantic leaps of reason:
(Ilia Probe's glowing neck thing)
"SPOCK: No doubt a sensor-transceiver combination, recording everything we say and do." (Really?)
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Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 4:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Insurrection

Heh, some spicy discussion. This movie could have been improved by incorporating this stuff!

I read somewhere that if people only died by accident, the average lifespan would be 2,000 years.

I haven't read Piller's book, sounds interesting.


But I did find this movie vaguely offensive. It's gently offensive, but offensive nonetheless. Data has another sort circuit from another hidden program. That really doesn't make the character look good. And the Worf/Data/Picard singing shuttle thing was one cheesy cringey way to get the three TNG stars other in a scene.

And of course Data didn't bring his emotion chip, so his personality regresses and we see scenes between him and the kid that we saw years ago. Great, thanks. It's just like The Motion Picture remaking The Changeling. That hardly feels like a reward to (or respect of) actual fans of the franchise.

And it's just boring.
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Silly
Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 4:35pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: The Wounded

Regarding whether Maxwell was "unhinged"-- interesting debate, I remember wondering if he was unhinged or not. In Trek, there's about a 95% chance a visiting Starfleet officer will be unhinged.

But I didn't see him as obviously unhinged. I think the actor did a great job skirting the line. He definitely seemed war weary and troubled. I guess ultimately he really wasn't unhinged.

Bleh, I still wish they had found a way to bring this sort of thing in without there having been a massive ongoing war that was never before mentioned.

It really seems like they were itching to do this kind of thing as soon as Gene was practically on his death bed. The problem is, this kind of thing just turns Trek into something else.
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Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 1:36pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Conspiracy

MidshipmanNorris: The BBC did censor Remmick exploding.

It was pretty eye popping for 1980s TV, and it may have escaped censoring in the US because it was syndicated and thus wasn't under any network control.
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Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 12:55am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Home Soil

It's hilarious and surreal how excessively the lady colonist cries. It's way beyond being bummed by what actually occurs in the episode.

She's pretty much having a nervous breakdown.
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Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 4:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Latent Image

Bob, because Seven threw Janeway for a whirl. Also, Janeway did first do the erasure procedure again. She just didn't count on the Doctor's ability to keep unwrapping it.

I think this is a great episode. There are flaws, of course. I think the biggest is Janeway's seeming regression by saying the Doctor is just like a replicator. I wish that had been handled better.

I really liked Janeway refusing to even TELL the Doctor what had happened because that might set it off, and that's absolutely right. I also like how he didn't instantly go crazy when they started giving him back his memories, which also made sense.

I assume the Doctor Mark I was never given triage procedures. It doesn't seem to ever be mentioned other than maybe Janeway saying he did his duty.

That said, I don't think it would have really changed the story if he did have those procedures. . The Doctor might still believe he was not being objective.


The weirdest thing for me is probably the last scene, where the Doctor says he can't live with the knowledge of what he had done (while Janeway was asleep) then after she wakes up he tells her to go to bed because he doesn't want to cause any more suffering.

I assume it wasn't the intention, but that sure as hell is alarming talk that suggests he's contemplating suicide. Then she leaves him alone, which further implies the episode is going there in some manner.
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Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 1:36am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Peak Performance

As mentioned above, Picard saying that it is possible to make no mistake and still lose is a pretty powerful message, and it was kind of lost in the minor B plot. A whole story could have been built on that.

It's nice to see proto-Quark in a pretty effective Ferengi appearance.
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Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 9:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Manhunt

You people... Mick Fleetwood deserved an Emmy for his performance here!

Lol, apparently he had trouble with his one word line.

But give him some props. This was season two, quite unlike season seven where every celeb wanted to be on TNG.
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Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 2:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Time and Again

I liked this and the previous episode, but having two timey-wimeys in a row was kind of weird coming right after the pilot.

It makes me wonder if they were worried that having a female lead might make people expect it to be soap opera-ish, and wanted to establish quickly that this was definitely TNG type sci-fi.
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Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 1:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Emissary

There were things they made little sense, like the antagonism between Quark/Odo, etc, then suddenly they're all working together in a scheme. To me it suggests executive interference-- we see the antagonism, but then there must be a scene where everybody comes together as a team. It seemed shockingly discordant.

I think they also went way over the top in the apparent damage to the station. I can certainly believe that level of damage, but I think there would have been massive casualties. And the behavior of the characters also seems discordant to the level of damage.



A much bigger problem is I can't believe the Sisko would keep his posting after all he unloaded on Picard in their first meeting. And while we see Sisko's prophet based epiphany to stop living in the past, Picard doesn't. To Picard, it appears the Sisko was pissed he got a crappy job in the wilderness, then changed his tune when the wormhole was discovered because now the station is very important.

At a minimum, the Sisko was clearly in severe emotional turmoil and needed a vacation, and I doubt the Feds would keep him in this important position.
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Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 12:47am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Violations

I don't think there was enough here for a full show and the memory sequences tend to go on way too long.

But done great camera work in those sequences! Particularly the one in engineering where an extreme distortion was applied to Riker and the other engineer.
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Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 12:43am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Masterpiece Society

I just watched it again and think it's maybe even a 3.5 star episode.

Aaron is well written and very well cast. Being very honest and likable makes the story work.

This also contains a "romance" subplot between Deanna and Aaron, and it's one of the most convincing I've ever seen. It's also completely organic and doesn't feel bolted on or out of place. These two have natural chemistry far more than Riker/Deanna ever did.

All the characters behave believably.

The chief negative are the aforementioned Picard wangst that simply makes no sense.
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Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 8:27pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Masterpiece Society

I kind of liked it, but it was flawed. Picard's wangst at the end was just silly. Also, the leader bemoaning how hard it would be after these people left-- well, he may have believed that, but I don't. Of course, that gets into the very dark nature of what is really going on in that place.

I liked Deanna revealing her affair to Picard. I don't think it was wrong for her to have the affair, but it was information she thought that Picard needed to know.

I also liked the way the leader ultimately just let the ones that wanted to go, leave.


I'm not sure why I liked it. Maybe because it almost feels like a season 1 concept but with humans acting more like actual humans then season 1.
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Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 8:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Cause and Effect

Beany: The Enterprise and Bozeman weren't traveling back in time relative to the outside universe, just inside their own loops. To the rest of the universe, 17.4 days had passed.

It is interesting to ponder if somebody outside the loop could interact with the ships or not. Really with Braga's high concept thrillers, it's best not to think too much about the details.

After all, the Enterprise checks a time beacon to determine how much time has passed. I tend to think the ship would be doing that automatically all the time, and it seems likely there would be communications traffic between the ship and Starfleet all the time.

The chilling thing is the Bozeman seems to have been in a much longer loop. The Enterprise one lasted a few hours each loop. The Bozeman doesn't seem to have any clue there is a problem. Their loop was apparently several weeks long.
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Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 2:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Descent, Part II

It would have been cool if Data have Lore to Maddox. That could easily set up a variety of new stories.

Perhaps a story where Lore is not a complete mustache twirler.
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Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 1:40pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Descent, Part II

I actually think this was kind of horrible, perfunctory and absurd.

Perfunctory: practically the entire crew beams down to search for Data, entirely so that the CMO could be in charge of the ship? I'm perfectly happy to see Bevs have to take command and the callback to the sun screen was nice, but good lord, could they not come up with a more plausible reason?

I would rather another random disease had swept the ship than this rationale. Good grief, it's a hostile situation with Borg in some form.

And while the Beverly in command plot played out ok, the rest of the plot was pretty much Lore talking.

It was pretty lame to have a season cliffhanger with very little payoff.
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