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nooffenseintended
Sun, May 29, 2016, 8:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: Trailer: Star Trek Beyond

@Matthew, I think what I am saying with respect to NuTrek is that there are many people who are watching these movies who are enjoying them simply because those people find them entertaining. There is nothing wrong with that. Yes, I do think people - some fans - are afraid that if they admit to having been entertained by something, these people feel they will be called out as "unhip." Read The Onion's review of 2009's Star Trek if you don't get where I'm coming from (the headline was, "Trekkers blast new movie as....fun, entertaining..."

Today, anyway, it IS uncool to cop to enjoying something that was made for a mass audience. Would Avatar and Titanic have anywhere near the level of hatred that they do were they not so wildly successful? Some Star Trek fans saw the movie series as their "property," and the last two movies made money precisely because the filmmakers didn't care. Wanting to entertain a mass audience and doing a decent job of it is not a crime.

"That guy," to me, is the type that claims to be a Trek fan but actually hates Trek REGARDLESS of how it is presented - as NuTrek or not. That type has been cast aside by the marketplace which is probably why the type has become more and more bitter and venomous.

Bottom line: the 2009 Trek movie got a score of 81/100 on Metacritic. A cadre of fans hated it far more than many people who review movies for a living. The movie made half a billion dollars. Certain fans - by definition - will dislike a movie that got that kind of praise and that kind of money. How can it possibly be good if it is entertaining for a mass audience? Some fans have grudgingly stand that they enjoy the last two Trek movies but have added, "but,.... They're not Star Trek." Says who? And more to the point, something's being "Star Trek" isn't a guarantee of quality. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" is "Star Trek." Care to sit through it again? The best "Treks" we remember actually did dare to entertain a mass audience - that was not the only purpose of those films - but trying to entertain, instead of worrying of charges that you didn't flyspeck every syllable of every word of every line for continuity errors - is fine. If you think a movie is bad, argue why it is bad ON ITS OWN MERITS. Don't say "It's Not Star Trek" and think by doing so, you have started, finished and won the debate.

I am in agreement with you over being excited about the new series. Bryan Fuller and... Nicholas Meyer. Meyer described Star Trek as "middlebrow" escape entertainment on his DVD commentary for TWOK. In other words, the movie worked well because Meyer was not cowed by "serious" fandom. Fans who watched the DVD and heard his comments probably hate him now.
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nooffenseintended
Sat, May 28, 2016, 10:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: Trailer: Star Trek Beyond

On Dxember 14, Jammer asked if he needed to create a new comment thread for "Star Trek Beyond." To which Matthew (December 14, 2015 at 1:51 PM) replied to the effect of, "that. I ght not be a bad idea. People are going to need a receptacle for their hate."

@Jammer, think about how many comments that have been made on Trek #11, Trek # 12, Star Trek Beyond, The Force Awakens, and the comments that will be made about the new Trek series premiering in January. There's so much hate for all of the above that not even Ambassador Alkar in TNG's "Man of the People" could find enough receptacles to contain it.

Things have reached the point where the trolls ( who are promptly and mercilessly upbraided) are the ones saying the GOOD things about these movies. Movie critic Pauline Kael made an interesting remake about the 1968 film "Petulia." She criticized that movie's director, Richard Lester, for using San Francisco (to her, one of the most beautiful places in the U.S.) as the setting for a showcase of ugly American behavior. She mused that if the director, who was British, had to go to such lengths to speciifcally portray the best America had to offer as evidence that America was culturally sick (which, to her, was like framing what a cop viewed as an obviously guilty suspect with crooked evidence), then what was it that the director REALLY hated? Her conclusion was that he hated not America but rather the idea of being "unhip," and that if his movie didn't gratuitously attack America, it would have committed the sin of being too ""square." When people who claim to love Star Trek or Star Wars attack the best that these franchises have to offer (click on a review of a great episode, scroll down a bit, and voila - instant hate!), what is it that those people really hate? The idea that they might give the impression that they actually are mortal enough to be entertained by something?

Now, the way comments sections work, not everyone can flood those sections at once with their comments. Whomever clicks "submit" first, gets to the head of the line. To eceryone else waiting in line who didn't like what I just said, well, I guess you'll just have to hate until it's your turn!
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