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Mike
Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 6:52pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Sacrifice of Angels

So Quark basically saves everybody, saving DS9 and maybe even the Alpha Quadrant and the entire Federation in the process, and he doesn’t even get a thank you.

Man, Quark gets no respect!
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Mike C
Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 3:05pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Su'Kal

I was a little confused coming here because this episode is called Su’Kal. For some reason, Jammer’s using a title from an older press release.
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Mike W
Wed, Dec 23, 2020, 10:13pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Take Me Out to the Holosuite

Billy, you must be a Vulcan.

Death to the opposition.

This episode is great, and I’m a lifelong baseball fan.
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Mike C
Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 7:57am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

@CaptainMercer

You can be sympathetic to nonbinaries and still think this show is terrible or Adira is terrible. Is that your position?
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Mike
Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 9:58pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Profit and Lace

I don’t know what everyone is so upset about, I thought this episode was great!
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Just kidding! Terrible! Pass the barf bag!!! Yecchhh!!!
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Mike C
Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 3:11pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi

“If a friend asked me not to use a certain nickname his dislikes, or prefers "Cal" to "Calvin" then I would respect his wishes. If another friend told me xe prefer "xe" over "he", I would respect xir wishes. Heck, I just did, and that guy... gal... person (what's the gender neutral word for guy/gal?) isn't even real!”

Great points all around and I highlighted this portion for emphasis. It’s easy to get stuck down in the trenches of Free Speech or Inclusiveness, but I’d like to think that in real life most of us would honor a simple request by someone we see regularly on how to call them. Is that hopelessly optimistic?
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Mike C
Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 12:46pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

“How about we leave the archaic idea of "male brain/female brain" to armchair chauvinists like Archie Bunker, and instead acknowledge the vast diversity of the human race?”

This sounds good, but it kind of dodges the conflict. A nonbinary person doesn’t feel good as a he or she and prefers another pronoun. The English language has no natural nonbinary alternative so they’re stuck with the closest best which is the awkward “they/them”.

On the one hand we as a society could blame these people for wanting to be free of conventional pronouns. The other side of the coin is that English-speaking society has some responsibility in the shortcomings of its language. And really, the shortcomings of living language are not static, we adapt new words and drop old ones every year.
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Mike C
Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 5:56pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Terra Firma, Part 1

“I actually enjoyed this episode quite a lot, but a lot of the mirror universe sets felt... cheap, compared to those in S1. Especially that little play with narration from Stamets.”

Coulda been worse. Rapp could’ve started belting out “Seasons of Love” for the ultimate omega cross-reference extravaganza!
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Mike C
Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 6:27am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Terra Firma, Part 1

@Paul M.

“I have no idea why DIS writers find the Mirror Universe so interesting to keep going back and indeed insist on having an MU main character, even if she brings nothing worthwhile to the table.”

From what I’ve read on Trekmovie, this is supposed to be the episode where Georgiou gets written off the show for good and so they’re giving her story its swan song. It’s kind of like Neelix finding his gerbil people before Voyager continued on its merry way home.
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Mike
Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 2:19am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

@Jeanne
"So I'm trans, and have been watching the show with two other people who are trans. All of us agreed that we loved Adira's pronoun reveal not having anything to do with them being joined, or any SF reasoning. I think all of us were deeply dreading that, that the showrunners would have felt the need to give some "explanation" for what's a pretty ordinary identity, and I give the show major props for going out of its way to create the opportunity to do that, then pointedly decline to take it. FWIW? "

Thank you - it's worth a lot to me, and I was one of the 'missed opportunity' people. Sometimes things are simple and should be presented that way, and I'm happy to give the show credit for that, and helping us to see things differently. I don't know if humanity will ever reach the stage where everyone understands everyone else completely, but it's something Star Trek has always aspired to.
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Mike C
Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 8:25am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Terra Firma, Part 1

18:58 - Egad! It’s the Squire of Gothos!
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Mike
Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 6:17pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

The pronoun subplot still feels like a missed opportunity. It's definitely a worthwhile message, but the advantages of dramatic presentation is you get to do more than give a lecture.

Sine Adira is in engineering for the episode, why not have Reno be the bully? She's always vocal and insensitive anyway so it seems like the perfect opportunity to grow her character too. We could see the deleterious effect that using the wrong pronoun has on Adira, giving us a real glimpse of what it's like for people in her position. Then we could have the speeches and maybe Reno learns something too, and this would be more dramatically effective than Adira saying "I don't like this" and Stamets replying "OK".
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Mike C
Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 1:19pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

@Dreubarik

Actually, Sisko’s dilemma was a present one because in the present an officer of his was acting out a white-washed time period he didn’t feel comfortable with. He didn’t have to deal with the problem until he was invited to Bashir’s program, and that brought the present dilemma (that stemmed from past historical events) to a head.

The case with Adira is similar. Despite misunderstandings about identity of nonbinaries probably being resolved in an idealistic future, they understand that people slip up from time to time. Adira obviously wasn’t mad at Stamets, no more than Sisko was at Bashir, but being called a “her” brings back memories of intolerance and Adira felt they needed to speak up. It’s a very simple scene which may have been too clumsy to address with pure metaphor.
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Mike C
Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 11:02am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

@Whoever

I’m really flattered you like my username, but maybe you could use a little more creative and less confusing one?

As to your second point, I don’t think for example Sisko is supposed to be fully past the historical difficulties of black people. There’s a whole episode where he’s upset about black stereotypes from 1960s Las Vegas — a subject that was extremely relevant to black people of 1990s. None of this was hidden, or metaphorical. Perhaps DS9’s writers thought that even in a post-racism future we wouldn’t totally forget about difficulties of the past? It’s never been cut-and-dry how inclusion should be handled but the general idea in Star Trek is that because it’s the future it will push the envelope in inclusion beyond other shows currently airing. Star Trek does this literally, symbolically *and* metaphorically.

To that end, nonbinaries are not commonly depicted in 2020s television, and perhaps just having them be normal people like Pulaski was a normal career woman is inspirational to those people.
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Mike C
Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 10:45am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

@Mike C It is very odd to imply that TNG and DS9 depicted those characters as having to overcome any struggle for being black or female while living in the 24th century. Obviously they are , but the show assumes that by then humanity will have progressed to the point that no prejudice will be applied to them. Just as I wish they had done with Adira.
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Mike C
Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 9:49am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

“Star Trek's method of inclusion has always been different. The struggles of present day are always depicted as metaphors that affect alien species, not dealt with explicitly”

Sure, like Sisko, the metaphorically black Starfleet captain or Katherine Pulaski, the metaphorical female Chief Medical Officer of the 1980s.
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Mike C
Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 8:53am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

@Henson

"he owned his own business"
"Apu is clearly a stereotype, just like everyone on that show, but it's highly suspect whether that stereotype is supposed to be negative."

He doesn't own it, he's a franchisee at best. Also, franchising a convenience store isn't considered a great career in the United States, which is often why immigrants get stuck with it. Regardless, I agree that Apu's case is more debatable, but my point was that Adira is *prominently depicted positively* as a nonbinary character.
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Mike C
Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 6:54am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

“Back in the day, for example, the inclusion of Apu on The Simpsons was broadly welcome by the Indan-American community”

But Apu is very plainly a negative stereotype, which was part of the joke behind the character. He has a low-level job and has a tenuous grasp on American culture. In what way is Adira a negative stereotype of nonbinary people? They are handy at engineering and have an impeccable music talent. As far as I can tell, that is not stereotypical of nonbinary people.
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Mike Hunt
Thu, Dec 3, 2020, 3:41pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Past Tense, Part I

Right, and when an attorney SERVES a subpoena on a publicly-traded multinational company she’s working in the service industry too. Way to school us all, Robbie!
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Mike
Thu, Dec 3, 2020, 3:56am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Unification III

I don't really care if she cries or doesn't. I'd like some genuine emotion in the show. I can't recall whether Picard cried during "The Inner Light" but it wouldn't have changed how emotional I felt at the end of the episode. Like someone said earlier, including crying scenes without the necessary emotional build-up just seems lazy and cheap.
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Mike C
Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 10:50am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Unification III

“The word momentarily means "for a moment" not "in a moment", as they apparently think. If I momentarily distract you it means that I do it for a second or so, not that I will do it in a second or so from now.”

Both uses are acceptable.
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Mike
Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 1:39am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Valiant

Courtney Peldon was great!
Awesome ep!
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Mike
Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 12:42am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S1: First Season Recap

Silly, could you perhaps enlighten us on the connection of Samuel Beckett to ENT and Archer? Reading your post I've been scratching my head about as much as the first time I read Waiting for Godot.
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Mike
Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 5:05am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Forget Me Not

Well I accept the idea of rank and captaincy because it's practical for someone to make the decisions and it makes sense that it should be the most experienced. I'm not prepared to accept that a captain shouldn't call their crew 'friends', or reprimands and punishment. Ideally this is something that a future civilization would address in childhood, using approaches that modern psychology is starting to latch onto - the assumption that others are responsible for our upsets rather than projected remnants of past conditioning would be understood early in schooling as something to be remedied by internal processes rather than lashing out at others, as Stamets does. Stamets' upset has nothing to do with Tilly, and he needs to own his shit to resolve it. In the 23rd century this will be as obvious as knowing that smoking cigarettes gives you cancer.

Which I suppose explains why we don't see this kind of thing in Discovery, a show preoccupied with interpersonal drama.
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Mike
Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 3:56am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Forget Me Not

So why in the 23rd century are we supposed to have evolved from things like capitalism, but not from others like 'military hierarchies', 'discipline', and 'unit cohesion'? It seems to me that if we are going to consider economics of the future, which Trek has determined will be inclusive, welfare-based, and extremely progressive compared with what we have today, then we should be open to the idea that a (non-military) ship's organizational structure and social dynamics should be similarly progressive.

Personally, I liked that it was Saru's caring attitude which helped the crew get through the crisis and not some top-down command decision. Possibly the benefits of increased female participation in the writing?
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