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jack_Faith
Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 8:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: What You Leave Behind

"But it is a reminder that even Star Trek is just part of the great showbiz sludge." Ahem. As bathetic comeuppances go Terry Farrell's decision not to give permission outstrips anything from Robert Beltran. That's a telling pay-off for you, folks. I know , trolling again, but one of the weakest players on the show being very coldly professional - read between the lines! Can't help feeling there were a bunch of actors involved in this, often contributing to the drama being sub-par or plain embarrassing, who roll their eyes about the show. There is a sub-reality of DS9. Like they took that allegorical potential in Jordi being a projection for the Trek viewer and really ran with it, quite far. So you succeed in making a show that connects very well to the converted but comes across with manifest shortcomings to the casual viewer, and certainly to anyone looking for outstanding or ambitious long running drama. I don't doubt Ira and Biemler and Ronald Moore think they hit it out of the park and I have to concede, at least formally, the DS9 finale crushes Endgame and All Good Things.

I stayed the course and that montage scene sums well the awkward, painful element. But as I was watching it, finding it all too much, DS9 doing its take on an AFI tribute, I suddenly found, in spite of myself, it was rather affecting. Like, saying to my gf, wtf are dropping now? While fighting back the emotion. Numerous times when I have been frustrated with the show, with how they consistently mess up Worf (compared to TNG), with Dax being Dax, with Sisko saying "Old Man', and well, just being Sisko, with Bashir who early on is singurlarly far worse than anything on Voyager, with that mystic religious bullshit, with Adami, with the gay hairdresser villain and his double act with the female changeling, something still pulls me back in. It might be Morn, could easily be Kira who outshines Sisko as the hero of the show, or Quark. Just generally, the weirdo faces, the non (in the voice of Rom) human ness of it. DS9 is often at its best with the incidental moments. And of course, clearly it takes Trek "outside', conceptually it's far more diverse and questioning than anything else in Trek, those reboots included. And those magnificent Ferenghi! I think the deep conformity, ah the showbiz sludge, of the show sometimes jars with its more absurdist, inspired side but they get it right with Odo going to his tuxedo for the seriously trippy farewell scene with Kira. And special mention for kicking off the montage scene with O'Brien picking up the toy figure. That is a lovely touch. Ha, possib;y taking the bromance a bit far (I mean you may as well just be honest guys, they did have deeper feelings for each other but like Nog losing both his legs sometimes u have to compromise).
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jack_faith
Sat, Apr 9, 2016, 11:35am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Favor the Bold

"Every bit of this episode is utterly engrossing; the culmination resulting from the loss of the station in "Call to Arms" is approaching, and it feels very, very real." I'd say that's missing a fundamental about Trek. It's Space Opera with quite a theatrical bent. I mean , there comes a point with the funny faces where a lot of reasonable folk (including I suspect many of the actors) roll their eyes, and think: enough. You are missing out that Trek is ultimately not a straight show at all. It works at its best when it "breaks through" and finds itself in a tripped intensity, something in the sound design, the lighting. DS9 has all of this, it's also quite the most uneven, frustrating Trek.

On one way level of course you may counter look at the variety of interpretation. I find Weyoun quite unwatchable while above I see many who rate him. Look one thing here to make clear here. It doesn't matter what shades a writer gives to a character if the conception and execution of that character isn't much more than a banal tv cul de sac . Do yourselves a favour, watch something like Henry V. Not especially for Branagh mind, who grates at times but how often a scene is made thanks to the contribution of an almight character actor (check Blessed's "tis wonderful" after the battle. Ok, ok, more to hand, who is McCoy talking to in the bar scene in Search for Spock? "I name not important." Different class to Weyoun. This is a tiny role! I don't care for the Vorta and their damn sight problems if the characters are just weak! At some point you have to square how highly you might be rating aspects of the show and thinking, actually these other folk who deserted the show weren't always missing something. I might add the problematic in DS9 has congealed over time, becoming even more of an issue.
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jack_faith
Fri, Apr 8, 2016, 8:34am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Behind the Lines

Strong episode. Agree with jammer on the opening scene here between Odo and the founder. What we're seeing in this season thus far is Sisko has been benched and Kira is effectively the quarterback/point guard, only on her terms. This whole Trek variant as Resistance rather than Roddenberry style providence, all's well that ends well, is very near to covering itself for some of the manifest shortcomings you run into when you overextend a franchise concept. There is nowhere else to go, creatively, than question, re-examine, the nature of the Federation's dominance. Lol above at the comment of Sisko's tactical nous. There is a rather more challenging issue, staring you in the face! I'd say well played, Behr, Ronald Moore and Rene, only you have supplanted one faux hero for an equally faux villain - not talking about Dukat (who everyone digs I hope) but the blasted Dominion - the Jem' Hadar and those hairdressers. Still, I do hear you Jammer on the comparison between the Borg and the Founders. A great last scene. Very classy. In spite of my objections I would very easily defend this remix/b side take on Trek against detractors. It really has broken free of the limitations of the self contained episode structure. (worst scene: Dax doing her impression of Sisko. Put her in a runabout with Wes, Deanna and her mom. Voyager never got this bad. Laters!)
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jack_faith
Tue, Apr 5, 2016, 10:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Call to Arms

"But for now, the Dominion is the spotlight, and the writers get them right." er? Yet again something of a lone voice but I am struggling to give a toss about this one. If the go-to face of the Dominion is that ambassador (is he an escapee gay hairdresser from a daytime soap, I mean) ...? Repeatedly DS9 gears up for it's big dramatic moments with weak players. The incidentals are ok, I guess. I quite liked O'Brien's response to Sisko fuming about his son. Colm Meaney's casualness - whatevs - like a foil against the declamatory Sisko. Even the positioning of Bashir behind Sisko is like a shit-sandwich relation to stuff the OG series nearly always gets right. (Or take TNG Redemption: Data rising on bridge of the Sutherland). It's the grammer of genre, and while I appreciate on paper, DS9 features some of the most daring and novel writing, as a clutch shooter it's pathetic.
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jack_faith
Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Children of Time

This is so dramatically turgid. The scene with Sisko, Yedrin and Dax. I HAVE A DUTY TO PROTECT MY PEOPLE... WHO ARE TO DECIDE WHO LIVES AND WHO DIES.,, and so on. Seriously, where's the Janeway & Seven of 9 spin-off? Got to beat this nonsense down. Not far off a christian neocon (everything is Terrible) movie production. Right after Sisko has just dropped: I'm sorry old man, there's nothing I can do! Check Dax. (ahem, Terry Farrell). That's about as grim as Trek ever gets (not counting Troi's mom). Cringeworthy throughout but more than that, a reminder of just how easily DS9 was unbearable.
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jack_faith
Sun, Apr 3, 2016, 7:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Ferengi Love Songs

Quark is one of the few aces in the show. It's his episode, along with Wallace Shawn. What's not to dig here? There's enough shakiness performance-wise with DS9 to taint most episodes. This was the Trek originally I drifted away from (like pre-season 4 Voyager) for a bunch of reasons. Of course, the Ferengi were one of them. Coming back to it now I find the playfulness very well balanced. Like the Berkhoff episode, too. I think Shawn (and Behr) is having a lot of fun here. That alone is worth x4 of the best of Sisko's scenes. It's an odd situation, certainly I confess I am surprised, but I think the Ferengi episodes are going over a few heads (lobes).
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jack_faith
Thu, Jan 8, 2015, 5:02am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Friendship One

Quite randomly returned to this Voyager episode. Interesting contrast going from TNG to Voyager. Immediately struck by the better technique in Voyager. The set up here is very atmospheric. Sad to read much of the above. Pretty much says it all Fuller gets no mentions. Don't mean to sound like an anti-American ytube comments troll but can't help feeling the main objections reveal a USA-centrism the episode is actually seeking to show up. "Even more dubious is the notion that these people think it was planned". Really, take a look at the world. Whole bunch of stuff I disagree with, and find very dubious too... doesn't stop a lot of folk thinking that way. This is hardly a valid objection to the content of drama, indeed it has a duty to examine these more troubling areas. As for Janeway's final line. I don't claim to be as complete or assured in my Trekkie knowledge as Dan L above but when he mentions Ramdom Thoughts, and One Little Ship it's worth bearing in mind those episodes are sometime before the home stretch of Voyager's journey. This is surely part of the arc, which is helping to set up the actions of Admiral Janeway in Endgame. In her her own way, like Verin, or the other Riker of Second Chances, Janeway isn't immune to a kind of cabin fever. The message being: even the very core, raison d'etre itself of Trek, of Voyager is called into question, rather than triumphally confirmed.
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jack faith
Tue, Jan 6, 2015, 3:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Homeward

the hug at the end between Worf and his brother - that's an all-time TNG moment.
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