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h3llbent
Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 12:02am (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Daybreak, Part 2 (April Fools Version)

@Brandon

Somehow, I feel this comment is pointed towards me... :-)

My opinion is just that, it's MY opinion. I didn't force it on anyone, and I didn't mean to offend anyone, in fact, there was nothing offensive in my post. If anything, I wanted to contribute to the discussion.

I will not apologize to anyone for disagreeing with them. We're all grown ups, and we should be able to disagree without accusing each other of being disrespectful towards each others feelings.

I never said that people that watched the show exclusively for action were stupid; there's nothing wrong with enjoying the amazingly choreographed and directed action sequences, as well as the outstanding, movie level CGI that Battlestar have given us week after week. If people choose to watch the show for the action, that's their choice, and it's a good one: I think Battlestar has been second no none in this department. Enjoying BSG for action is rewarding to many, and that's OK.

But you mentioned that it's somehow RDM's job to cater to everyone.

It is not.

If you end up trying to pleasing everyone, you end up pleasing no one. True, this is a genre show, and attracts Sci-Fi aficionados among others (i.e, not exclusively, which is a great asset of this show). But you can not cater to them, cater to the Star Trek fans, cater to the space battle casual viewer, and to those seeking a deep storyline. If you do that you basically end up with a mess: you've compromised the plot, by throwing in action that doesn't advance the narrative, you've thrown in techno babble that doesn't do anything for the plot, and you've sacrificed valuable time to explain plot points and substories to amuse those that see the characters as cardboard cutouts.

And you're left with Andromeda or Voyager.

RDM's job was to produce and write a show the way he thought it should be done. And if, somehow, you think that he should've explained something to you at the expense of his own satisfaction with the show, then... Mate, you're not the only viewer out there.

Now, about the question of Kara Thrace....

Listen, if it seemed to you like certain things LOOKED like they needed a tangible solution, that doesn't mean that it LOOKED THAT WAY TO ME. Opinions are relative.

Just because you saw Kara Thrace this way, don't project your opinion on everyone else. You accuse me of being condescending ("Getting down on them") of the casual viewer, but at the same time you lay out a plan of what should have been done. By following you "plan", what would have been accomplished? We would know that she was dead, she was a apparition etc.

And then Battlestar would lose the very subtlety in storytelling that made it unique in Sci-Fi. It would become Voyager or Andromeda, spoon feeding us the reality of the situation as if we were idiots.

Also, any mystery surrounding Starbuck's existence would be distinguished. This mystery represented a vital plot device: it was this ambiguity that forced Starbuck to accept her fate, whatever the circumstances surrounding her existence may be. I, for one, enjoyed watching her struggle with this, week after week. Katee Sackhoff is a truly a phenomenal actress.

In concluding, I don't care if people want answers or not. I just think that, as much as we enjoy the show, we shouldn't be so heavily emotionally invested in it. Everyone had their own idea of the final episode, everyone had the final scenes play out in their heads many times. Even I did. And it didn't play out like we imagined it. So what? If it did, that means that the evil leprechauns that live in my head are selling my ideas to RDM.

Little green bastards!

So, please, we can agree to disagree, but don't feel called out if someone doesn't agree. According to the polls at Sci-Fi, and all the people I know that enjoy Battlestar (none of which enjoy Sci-Fi, in fact, most of them think of watching an episode of Star Trek unbearable), you don't represent the majority.

As for me, I represent me.

End of line.
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h3llbent
Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 10:35pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Daybreak, Part 2 (April Fools Version)

Hello everyone!

After reading this entire discussion, and I mean everything, I just can't help thinking that many people have missed the point of Battlestar Galactica.

This series is not about, and has never been about physics, medical science, space battles (even though they've been fun), etc.

This show is, quite simply, about identity and redemption.

We don't need to have every loose end tied up. I don't need to know what Starbuck was; I'd much rather have my own constructs defining her existence to suit my own ideology and interpretation of the series. This is not Star Trek, where (as enjoyable as Star Trek was), we were spoon fed Roddenbery's naive politically correct extreme humanism. This is not Star Trek, where we ponder the finer points of quantum physics. I don't need everything explained to me, I'd just rather be challenged to think and to explain a few things for myself.

In our own postmodern society, in which ideologies are individual constructs, leaving an unexplained element that for many is the key of interpreting the series as a whole, Starbuck's disappearance is a stroke of genius by RDM.

Furthermore, I disagree that the flashbacks represent decadence. In the end of each flashback, every character delivers a truly noble ans self-validating decision: Lee does not bang his brother's girl, Starbuck backs off, Roslin becomes a public servant, Adama refuses a comfy chair behind a conformist desk with a fat check to achieve selfactualization. These are the decisions that explain why THEY were chosen to survive.

And they survived because they deserved to.

Has anyone notices how the fleet's fortunes started to get better around the acquittal of Baltar? It was the defining moment of the series: humanity did not take the easy way out, they did not find a scapegoat for their faults. Instead they granted forgiveness, and found their own fair share of blame. And suddenly: Starbuck appears, saying she's found earth!

Talk about the grace of God!

There are many examples of this throughout the series (the soldiers of the mutiny turning against Gaeta, his itch disappearing as he repents and accepts his fate, the Galactica liberating New Caprica, in the wake of solidarity among the survivors etc. Sixes and people dying together trying to repair Galacitca, and Starbuck suddenly hears the song) To put it simply, humanity, though it's struggles, and the decisions those struggles influences, created a catharsis, a liberation from the past, a deliverance.

They simply did not deserve to survive in 33.

Now they do, because they've changed. They earned their second chance.

That's what this show is about.
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