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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 1:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Booming
Tyler's last words "I did it all for you Michael..."
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 1:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@whatqnavry

"section 31 has ways"
Ha, maybe THAT can be the plot for the Section 31 spinoff! :D
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 1:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

And what about that speech Burnham gave at the end of Season 1 in front of a massive audience, with the bridge crew of Discovery all there and getting medals too. Better hope no one recorded it! Or that it was televised (or whatever passes for television then)... Not so simple to erase people from history really.
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 7:55am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Booming
"Leland says he only wanted to beat her up until she panics"
Oh I see. I missed that, got so bored with it all I was doing a crossword at the same time by that point.

I wouldn't mind a Stammets at the Vulcan Science Academy spin off...
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 6:44am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Booming
Oh god I just Googled Harry Mudd spinoff series and apparently it's a thing! It could actually happen! ST Mudd?!
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 6:34am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Lynos
"Leland...shoots everyone and misses"
Yeah those needle things that injected Control into his eyes obviously played havoc with his eyesight... There was something wrong with his fists as well, note how he could shatter the glass of the spore drive box but not Georgiou's jaw.

Was it ever explained how come we'd never seen the Kelpian race before or rather why weren't they ever seen again eg on DS9 in Quark's? Perhaps the Kelpian planet followed Michael and Discovery thru the wormhole.
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 3:14am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Cody B

Absolutely. Someone is probably already writing the Harry Mudd down a dilithium mine plot strand....

Or the whole past two seasons were a funny dream Stammets had while in his medically induced coma (from when he accidentally got hit on the head by Tilly during a game of parrises squares)...

It's written to be binge watched and not thought about deeply. Reminds me of junk food, addictive but full of empty calories.
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 2:45am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Booming
I am reminded of when an entire season of Dallas turned out to be (SPOILER ALERRT!) Bobby Ewing's dream!
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 2:25am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

So every Klingon and Kelpian (and Harry Mudd!) etc etc etc involved in the events of the past two seasons will also agree to NEVER speak of Burnham and Discovery and the spore drive etc EVER AGAIN?! How, when, where, why???
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 2:07am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Slackerinc

Oh god yes the fake Tyler head, I'd forgotten all about that! Seems like the scriptwriters did too (or were hoping we had)!
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 1:58am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Well, that was everything I expected it to be. Unfortunately.

Thanks to @karlzimmerman for the thoughts on Cornwall's noble sacrifice scene, I hadn't looked at it like that (I think I was too busy rolling my eyes at this point) but what you wrote illuminates Pike's situation very well. Pity the script writers are so ham fisted.

I lie in my first sentence as I didn't expect to be bored and I found this episode boring - the interminable space battle, Burnham going back in time to set all the red signals, Spock and Burnham's farewell (Burnham in tears YET AGAIN), Georgiou and Control's idiotic showdown... Oh and presumably Georgiou will need to steal the Red Angel suit to get back to the present to be able to star in the Section 31 spinoff that nobody really wants especially as they now want a Pike/Enterprise one instead...

The only things I liked: Reno, Georgiou and Saru's brief exchange, the Enterprise bridge.

The final scene was bizarre, it really felt like the permanent end of the show not a cliffhanger to lure us into wanting season 3.
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Artymiss
Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 8:43am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

I loved this episode.

But I think Bortus needs to buy Klyden a one way ticket back to Moclan. (The problem here is who gets custody of Topa...)
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Artymiss
Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 12:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@Alan Roi
"If one is looking at the season as being the equivalent of a 500 page novel..."

It isn't a novel though. It's a TV series. So I don't watch and compare it to a novel.

Besides which I suspect most 500 plus page novels could do with some editing, especially if they contain 10 pages of goodbyes.

And before you query my attention span my favourite novel is Richardson's Clarissa which is absolutely vast.
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Artymiss
Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 9:07am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@Rahul
I quite like plot arcs but the plots need to grow organically out of the characters not characters existing just to drive plot relentlessly forward backwards sideways etc. My main frustration with Discovery is the lack of interest in character development (and partly this is due to the excessive focus on Michael).
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Artymiss
Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 9:01am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

Isn't there a difference between a complex and a complicated narrative? I don't find Discovery particularly complex and don't (usually!) have difficulties working out what's happening. It does seem unnecessarily complicated though and when those complications are going on at breakneck speed I can understand why some people might have literally 'lost the plot' (I had to have it explained to me what happened to Leland's eyes as the scene was so fast and almost throw away in a yeah we'll cover this next week stop worrying audience way). Complex suggests to me nuanced and rich, complicated is messy and a bit WTF just happened and why.

I'm still wondering if we're going to get a complete reboot at the end of the next episode - Michael changes the timeline (so much she never even existed in the first place? or she exists but she isn't actually Spoke's adpoted sister anymore?) and we'll find ourselves back where we were right at the start with the original Georgiou as Captain and Saru with his ganglia back (and lots of changes eg no spore drive or holograms).
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 12:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

I was just thinking about the ST short set in the far future where Discovery is crewless and the lonely ship computer has developed into a sort of hyper intelligent and aware Alexa... So I reckon the entire crew gets back to the present at some point leaving Discovery hidden in the future for its own good and the good of the universe. I still think Michael will sacrifice herself and thus reset (reboot?) the past and that way Spock never had a sister and we find him beardless (I hope!) and back on Enterprise.

The other thing I ponder is this: Control destroying all sentient live in the universe... Does this include all mirror universes too?
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 7:10am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

Earlier in the week, after seeing Spock in his Enterprise uniform, I was thinking to myself I'd love a spinoff set on Enterprise with Pike, Spock and....Culber as the Enterprise Doc.

And Culber is actually moving to Enterprise! I did like that scene between Culber and Stamets because it was low key, I kept waiting for it to descend into the hideous melodrama and emoting just about everyone else was indulging in but thankfully it didn't. The music didn't help, it was trying to force me to feel something and I resented it. That Tyler/Burnham goodbye scene made me want to throw up in a bucket (as did the spinning camera work in the Reno/Stamets/Tilly scene).

Good use of Reno in this episode but where the hell has she been for most of the previous episodes?!

And how is Spock going to end up not in the future on Discovery but on Enterprise? I think Michael will reset the past in some crucial way when she zooms off into the future next episode. Once Michael has literally saved the universe where can this character go in terms of utter wonderous amazingfulness, surely she will have reached the pinnacle of her glory and we can have significantly less focus on her in season 3, please.

Leland's killing of the entire Discovery bridge crew early on during Michael's vision of the future really ticked me off, really cynical writing. Again all the soaring, emotional music. Was I supposed to care, be moved??? What would've been the point as that mass death is obviously not going to happen. And yet the show seemed to be expecting me to weep as if it had or would.
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Artymiss
Tue, Apr 9, 2019, 2:19am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

@MadManMUC
Sorry no link to photo of Spock as when I went back to have another goggle at him the CBS FB post had mysteriously disappeared!
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Artymiss
Tue, Apr 9, 2019, 2:14am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

@Peremensoe
Re Spock photo. The one I saw was posted yesterday on the main Star Trek FB page as part of an ad for Nathan Peck being a guest on that ST cruise thing. It was almost immediately removed and I've read it was accidently posted. Looked like official Season 3 Spock perhaps certainly not a composite. He looked great!
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Artymiss
Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 2:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

Anyone else seen the still of Ethan Peck as Spock without the beard and in a blue Enterprise style uniform?
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Artymiss
Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 2:27pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

@Booming
He could at least have bothered to get your name right!
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Artymiss
Sun, Apr 7, 2019, 11:47am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

@Stargazing
'Pike is not doomed to be disfigured and stuck in a chair. That is an idea of disability from the 1960s but we should be farther today'
Well I agree with you but unfortunately Discovery in 2019 still has Pike in that chair and seriously disfigured as a nightmare image of disability, he looks in an even more dreadful place and state than he did in the 1960s!
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Artymiss
Sun, Apr 7, 2019, 11:37am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

@Booming
I don't think they do "plunder", there's some cross over of characters for example but at the same time DS9 could exist quite happily without O'Brien and Worf - I don't think them being there is built into the overall story arc in any essential way. Some other engineer or Klingon could have played the roles without it impacting on anything much in the DS9 scheme of things. Having them there gives a sense of continuity and familiarity and we get to see their characters develop beyond the confines of TNG. And it all feels like the same universe (and I suppose having characters appear from other shows adds to that sense) - I don't really care much about canon but Discovery feels/looks like a different place, it feels much smaller and if you took away all they've mined from earlier Trek shows I'm not sure what would be left! And it comes across to me as 'plundering' in a really cynical way.
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 6, 2019, 12:41pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

@QoV
'reconciling the level of prosthetic technology'
I've been pondering that since I saw this week's episode. Why would Pike be doomed to spend the rest of his life severely disfigured stuck in that chair given the advances in medical technology that made Airiam possible? I suppose I should just stop expecting Discovery to make sense by now...
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 6, 2019, 11:29am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

@Booming
Are you sure they're married? I know they were in a long term relationship and shared quarters but I don't recall it mentioned that they were married. I could've blinked and missed it the speed Discovery goes at though!
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