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Sykosomatik
Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 6:42am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: VOY S7: Shattered

This episode seems to be very polarizing...

I quite enjoyed it tho. On my first viewing, it was just okay, but when I rewatched it I found it to be more enjoyable for some reason. I think if you take it as just a fun episode, it's fine. The Chakotay and Janeway interections were the main appeal.

Also, someone asked why Naomi and Icheb are wearing outdated Starfleet uniforms... but I think that's because they're still in the Delta quadrant. Remember, it was originally gonna take them 70 years to get back home. And the Voyager crew didn't update their uniforms even after they could see that Starfleet updated them already.

My only question is how Naomi and Icheb or the rest of the crew were able to proceed for 17 years with the ship stuck in temporal flux the entire time...

Anyway, I would give this a solid 3.5. Not amazing, but I don't think it's as terrible as others think. It's a very rewatch-able episode, imo.
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Matt B
Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 1:36am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: Star Trek: Insurrection

After rewatching this (might be only the 3rd time, and definitely been at least ten years since I saw it, and not many times after I saw it in theaters), it was actually more enjoyable than I remembered! I actually may put it above Generations, especially with that weird diversion into the Nexus. Its not a great movie, but its not as bad as STI:TMP and probably a little better than STV.
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Skater777
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 10:34pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TOS S1: What Are Little Girls Made Of?

Very good episode, and so great to see Majel Barrett in a role that is not annoying. Laid the foundation for androids in TNG and beyond. Bonus for having Lurch in there (I also thought it was Mr. Homm at first).

My only gripe is how repetitive the ideas are in the TOS. The episode before this is about yet another duplicate of Kirk...I mean you literally have back-to-back episodes about Kirk playing an alternative Kirk and himself. Before that, there were back-to-back episodes about humans who had secrets/abilities that no one knew about.

Looking at TOS as someone who grew up in the 90s, the effects look cheap and the technology is laughable. However, it was the strength of the characters and the acting that really carried the show. You could never have a Harry Kim or Neelix on TOS because their crappy characters would have sunk the show.
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Yanks
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 6:02pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: LD S2: The Spy Humongous

I'm about Pakled'd out. Each time "we" go there I wish we hadn't more. IMO they could have stopped at the end of last season with them.

I did enjoy the pace.

The Boimler plot was OK with the Redshirts. Nice to see him come to his senses at the end, help Tendi and return to his friends.

Mariner, Tendi, and Rutherford going around picking up the bridge crew's trash was funny at times. Anything with Tendi is a plus for me.

Captain Janeway from the Enterprise on the planet was kind of blah... I did like how she out-spied the spy.

I enjoyed it and will watch it again tonight. The Armus bit was pretty funny at the end. They tuned down the easter eggs big time this week.

A notch down from last week.

2.5 stars.
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ZeroDave
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 3:02pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Perpetual Infinity

Even later here! I feel like I'm the only one who would be sad to see Ash depart. I know he is the personification of season 1 but well, is Michael really going to play chess instead of see to how Ash is? He's on an escape pod after getting shanked but it's just hanging!
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DataMat
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 1:45pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: LD S2: An Embarrassment of Dooplers

Absolutely nothing in this show I've watched .. and I haven't watched a whole lot of it I'll admit, has made me laugh.

Why is this show so intent on this ridiculous hyperactive character play? There IS a good series in here but it's sabotaged by its own producers who are seemingly fixated on one so called gag after another, and it comes across as lame and boring to me.

I'll say it like I've said elsewhere.
Star Wars has done animation so, so much better than this for the last ten years now.
Star Wars is far more geared to comedy and children than Star Trek and yet 'Trek is being reduced here to a very awkward and unnatural comedy-drama and it doesn't work for me, at least not so far. And then comes the matter of who this show is for .. children I can't imagine would even really enjoy ot appreciate any of the 'gags' .. so .. it's it is for adults? .. I'm not even sure who this show is really aimed at?
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Karl Zimmerman
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 1:16pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: LD S2: The Spy Humongous

Not a bad episode, but not quite as amazing as last week. As per usual with Lower Decks, I simply don't find the jokes to be all that funny, but the character work is pretty great.

This was the first true Boimler episode, insofar as it treated Boimler not as a punching bag for Mariner, but as his own character with independent agency. His experience with the "red shirts" told us something important about him - he might be eager to impress, but even he has his limits, and he's much more concerned with doing the right thing and helping his friends when push comes to shove. I'm not entirely sure if this is supposed to show his character growth across the show, or to reveal who he has been all along, but either way it works quite well here.

The B plot of the episode was basically about Tendi, allowing Rutherford and Mariner to needle her a bit about her perpetually chipper demeanor. Again, this was a step forward, as like Boimler she ultimately is shown to not just be a cartoon character.

The Pakled stuff was basically C-plot fare to keep the bridge crew busy. It was...fine. Jokes didn't land with me, but I was entertained. I think the issue I have with the Lower Decks humor is it tends to be fairly predictable, while gut-busting humor tends to be more absurdist things that come out of nowhere.
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Mac
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 10:40am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: LD S2: The Spy Humongous

I thought this was a great episode. I thought the trash collection antics were really fun. The Pakleds were hilarious. I think Boimler got some good character development. And Captain Freeman was used really well in this episode.
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Jaxon
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 1:18am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: VOY S5: Nothing Human

Jammer said:

"We wouldn't have a convenient Bajoran crew member (where did he come from, and where has he been for the last four years?)"

We suddenly had Bajoran crew members three times, that were seen once and never again.

Learning Curve, here, and Good Shepherd".
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Jaxon
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 1:06am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: VOY S5: Infinite Regress

Jack said:

"The midnight snacker ate an animal leg Neelix was saving for some ensign's birthday, but with Voyager's compliment, someone on Voyager is likely having a birthday every three or four days...is it really that special?"

On that...unless Neelix replicated an animal leg only to store it in the fridge, which seems odd, it really is an animal leg. When did the crew go hunting?
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ZeroDave
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 1:32pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: If Memory Serves

The first Disco episode to make me laugh out loud and later on, cry. I was hoping Jammer have it at least 3.5 and I wasn't disappointed!
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Jeffrey Jakucyk
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 10:07am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

Do the Prophets ever call themselves Prophets, or anything at all? I know they're always saying "we are of Bajor" and other vague claptrap, but do they ever say their own pronouns? The whole Founders vs Changelings thing is a little different I think, because they refer to themselves with those terms. At least I know they call themselves Changelings (as a species). Do they call themselves Founders ever, or is it only the Vorta and other Dominion subjects who do that?

Anyway, if "Wormhole Aliens" or "Wormhole Entities" is too offensive then maybe "The Bajoran Prophets" would be an appropriate term, but not simply "The Prophets" which presumes universality just like saying "God" (capital G) without any further clarification. Prophets is a vague enough term, like the term god, that using it singularly is really only appropriate within the particular religion itself. Bajorans would refer to Fek'lhr as "The Klingon Devil", not just "The Devil" (assuming they believed in a devil at all). That at least has a distinction between a proper noun and an improper noun, whereas prophet and god could be either. So requiring Keiko to refer to the Wormhole Aliens as "The Prophets" is a bridge too far.
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William B
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 9:56pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

@Trish,

Thanks for bringing up "Bread and Circuses." It's an interesting case too because they all were very dismissive of Sun worship as a primitive thing that people should have outgrown by the Roman era, but they were still respectful of it, so that it's evidence Kirk would accept religious belief even if he thought it was backward, if he didn't see it as actively harmful, or imposed on externally. (And then of course they did feel differently about it being the Son.)
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EventualZen
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 7:47pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

Does anyone else think that education would be mostly done by robots, holograms, and other AI by the 24th century? We already have educational websites & Apps, and a lot of videos, surely biological teachers would be mostly redundant by then?
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Patrick D
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 6:11pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: VOY S2: Second Season Recap

It’s sort of telling, though, when the best thing Voyager has to offer in a season relies on two or three TNG characters and the established storylines for said characters.
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EventualZen
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 5:58pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: VOY S2: Second Season Recap

@William B
>TNG's "The Measure of a Man" and "Q Who" are (IMO deservedly) ranked so high...

I have to disagree with you about that I think "Death Wish" is the best Voyager has to offer, definitely a 10/10 episode for it's philosophical value. Season 2 also had "Tuvix" another fine episode, 8/10.

I think the first two seasons of Voyager easily match TNG even if we're just considering the best episodes.

I find it ironic that two of the very worst episodes of Voyager, "Twisted", and "Threshold" are in the same season as the best.
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William B
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 3:41pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

RIP Norm MacDonald. Very sad.
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NancyPerlosi
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 2:47pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S1: Conspiracy

I don't know if this episode was written with world history in mind. But it is one those guilty pleasure episodes in 2021.
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William B
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 1:24pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

I guess calling them the Prophets might be fine, if you just think of it as a name for their species. You don't really have to worship them to use the term, maybe, but I also get Keiko's resistance to it. (SPOILERS) IIRC people (Federation etc.) do end up using "Founders," at least sometimes, to describe the changelings, even though it's a name with religious connotations and they are enemies.
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William B
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 1:16pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

Keiko does have non-Bajoran students, though, and the station is administered by the secular (or at least pluralistic) Federation. Must Jake and Nog be instructed that the Prophets are gods? Is there a term to describe the Prophets/Wormhole Aliens that captures that they are extant beings which seem to be different from humanoids, but which not everyone in the class worships?
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William B
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 12:29pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

@Peter,

That makes sense. I might think about whether there are any cases where I think he shuts down a belief where people nominally had the choice, and just not the will, if that makes sense. I think there are maybe a few cases like that, or at least borderline, but I'll have to think about it. And obviously there are times where Kirk just is looking to get himself and his crew out of trouble rather than upending anything.

Now that you say it I think you're right about Spock.
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William B
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 12:21pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

@Peter,

That's a good point, and that makes sense to me.

One of the issues of this episode is that Keiko is totally unprepared for being part of this maelstrom. She basically started a school as a way to feel useful, and is a botanist. I don't think being on the Enterprise is going to make her *sheltered* exactly, but still, she doesn't have the requisite skills or training for this situation. I think you're correct that she hasn't anywhere near the tact requisite for this thing. Which I don't think is her fault exactly, though I think you're right that she could do to be more curious about the locals.

Early eps like this one do pretty well at capturing the paradoxical role the station has -- that it's simultaneously a tiny little community with jerry-rigged institutions and the nexus point of major, galactic importance. Normally a botanist would not be in this situation, but a series of unexpected developments have propelled unlikely people into the centre of big political movements.
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William B
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 12:11pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

The reason I brought up the Mirror Universe is that Kirk sees the militaristic ruthlessness as a kind of worship that needs to be destroyed, not that there is any literal god there. Probably not a great example of what I mean, but I guess the point is that Kirk seems to me to reflexively view other societies with beliefs he believes to be toxic as fair game to shake up.
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William B
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 12:04pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

I will say that my comment is more just trying to parse out how Kirk would behave.

One thing to note is that I can't think of situations equivalent to Kirk being in a DS9-type situation. The one-episode planet false gods Kirk knocks down are meant to be knocked down, because those episodes are constructed around those gods being false. The Prophets are not the same case, and are part of a different storytelling tradition, and fulfill different narrative functions, so I don't know how Kirk would react to them, or even how Kirk would behave in this kind of longer form serialized interaction with a planet narrative.
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William B
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 12:01pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

"Kirk wouldn't have done that, I can tell you."

Hm. One thing is, Kirk is constantly knocking down gods that are worshipped though, when he decides that the people shouldn't be worshipping them. This includes cases in which the "gods" are real, and actually do provide positive services for the people who worship them, but Kirk believes that it'd be better for the people to stop worshiping them. Kirk is the guy who single-handedly upends the Mirror Universe, destroys Vaal and Landru, believes that humans have necessarily grown out of Apollo, asks what God needs with a space ship, and so on. Now of course all those are *bad gods*, false gods, etc., according to the individual episodes' cosmos, but does Kirk really do his due diligence that the various false gods or evil structures are actually preferable to the alternative? He does sometimes leave alien belief systems in place (such as Vulcan). But it seems to me that Kirk makes snap decisions, often in favour of dismantling a belief *he thinks*, based on the limited evidence given in the episode, as being wrong. If anything, Kirk seems to me to be the captain most likely to want to kick a complacent people out of a stultifying belief, whereas Picard would emphasize the Prime Directive and Sisko would try to sympathize with their reasons.

I think that you are assuming that Kirk would immediately recognize that the Bajorans are not wrong to worship the Prophets/Wormhole Aliens, rather than believing that the Bajorans are being held back by their primitive beliefs when they should be standing on their own two feet. It is true that the Prophets/WA are given more positive weight by the text than some of the tinpot gods Kirk knocks down. I am not myself arguing that the Prophets are equivalent to Landru. But -- and you probably know TOS better than I do! -- I can't think of any times when Kirk did see there being beings worshiped as gods where Kirk accepted that belief. There are times like "A Piece of the Action" where Kirk was willing to play the long game and let people come out of their belief system on a longer time scale. But I don't know what your basis is for certainty that Kirk would view the Prophets as legitimate subjects of worship, as opposed to all the illegitimate ones he reflexively, quickly knocks down.
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