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Vicky
Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 6:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Nothing Human

I know it's 2021 and nobody cares but I just wanted to say that whilst I liked a lot of things about this episode - especially the performance of the guest star - I feel it only works to the extent it does because of the work done setting up the history of the Cardassian occupation of Bajor in DS9. I can instantly sympathise with any Bajoran who has beef with the Cardassians because DS9 did all that legwork, which Voyager has essentially taken advantage of.

Also - I know the Internet was in its early days back then, but if this episode was inspired by Auschwitz doctor Josef Mengele (which seems likely) then surely Jeri Taylor knew enough to know that the line about Earth doctors experimenting on "lower animals" but "not people" was ill-advised.
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Vic
Wed, Nov 4, 2020, 3:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Playing God

Lee's comment about Dax's seemingly sudden shift in her personality--from stolid science officer to fun-loving gambler--helped me recognize just when Farrell's acting allowed her character to take on a new and more interesting dimension. Since Farrell spends the rest of her time on the series in that more care-free character mode, it's the version of Dax I appreciate the most.

Arjin's kind of an entitled prick, but then that's a credit to the actor and the writing contrasting these two Trill characters.

The little universe stuff is fine but secondary to the more interesting character studies.
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Vic
Wed, Nov 4, 2020, 2:42pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Paradise

A couple of related works:

-This excellent blog post about how disturbing it is to see a black man in the position of being forced to submit by a white woman: https://www.ashleydstevens.com/blog/2017/11/19/23-years-later-why-star-trek-deep-space-nines-paradise-still-bugs-the-fuck-out-of-me

-The Twilight Zone has plenty of episodes about the dangers of groupthink and charismatic leaders, but "On Thursday We Leave for Home" has some direct correlations. It's interesting to compare them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Thursday_We_Leave_for_Home
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Victor
Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 12:29am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: Amok Time

I definitely consider this an overrated episode and never one I found particularly entertaining. Yes, the early part is good with Spock's distress and feeling ashamed with his loss of control. I also appreciate the glimpse into Vulcan and its customs. But... that the Vulcans would set up a system where the female can force a battle to death is how can we say .... illogical. Even the idea that the female shouldn't be forced to have sex with her betrothed, presumtively if the betrothed wins, she still has to have sex with him and that is after he has killed they guy she wants! That T'Pring and Stonn would even have an attraction for each other doesn't make sense, as supposedly Stonn wanted to fight as her champion even though he is apparently not under Pon Farr. The show also has Spock and T'Pring betrothed as children, yet from at least "The Menagerie" we know Spock has been a SF officer for well over 7 years, so this would not have been his 1st pon far. It's also overly convenient that Spock gets to bring 2 guest and his plus 2 just happens to be McCoy, which seems like a mechanization to allow McCoy to save the day. Finally (and this is what always bothered me from 1st time I saw this), the happy ending hinges on Spock "killing" Kirk with the poll of his weapon rather than bashing his skull or openning his guts with the business ends. I never bought how the fight turned out. I am dismayed that this episode is held in such regard.
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Daniel Lebovic
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 7:39pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

I like the comment to the effect that “screaming This is Not Star Trek sounds like a child not being given his cereal.”

I believe there was no substantive response.

I think there is also an issue as to what constitutes “science fiction.” Once we accept (as people implicitly have) the existence of warp drive, inertial dampeners, and other “fiction” in science fiction, where can the line be drawn, beyond which one must conclude, “This is too silly!”

The whole premise of Star Trek requires dollops of suspension of disbelief. To nitpick a scene for not being scientifically accurate when the entire premise is, is one some level a futile task.

As far as the issue of What Is Star Trek, the Potter Stewart “I know what isn’t Star Trel when I see it” crowd will never give an answer. That would prevent them from changing the goalposts whenever it suited them. Funny how many complaints about the show’s “dubious” cohesiveness themselves are incohesive or bereft of reasoning.

Part of reaction depends upon the predisposition of the viewer. To paraphrase Guinan, someone who hated episodes 1-9 will probably go in to episode 10 with a jaundiced view and come out of it with confirmation bias. I don’t know when it became Scripture to automatically “know” all post-2005 (2001? 2009?) Trek is terrible, so I don’t go in with that bias.

I try to watch episodes, seasons, etc., without preconceived beliefs to the effect they will be good or bad. And I try to look for what a Star Trek episode gives me in terms of entertainment value, because Trek is first and foremost entertainment. The last episode of Season 1 of Picard had problems galore but on balance It was entertaining given the constraints I mentioned above. Trek at its best is MORE than entertainment. But, to savage someone simply because that person got some entertainment from the show, or the show brightened that person’s day a little bit...
It is unfortunate that some are so certain in their opinions that they resort to doing this.

One person observed that if Michael Chabon can’t make Trek work, no one can. It takes a a small inferential leap to realize that some people will never be satisfied with anything - or will never admit to it , lest they be thought to be part of the lumpen masses - those vulgar, inferior Philistines! - that get enjoyment from entertainment.
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Invictus
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 6:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Saints of Imperfection

True, we knew everything we needed to know about the Voyager crew by episode 2. Sadly, any lasting character development stopped there.

We didn’t know much of anything about Garak until the end of -season- 2, and the rest is history.
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Victor Good
Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 5:32pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Peak Performance

so Many comments to scroll down thru just to get to the comments box and post my own 2 sense:
Episode was entertaining but the entire plot was contrived...
Why are they using an 80 yr old ship to train with? They should ne traing against Borg type ships and strategy as that is their clear and present threat as per Picard's own words in this episode. 2ND THE entire method of using laser optical hits and computers to simulate the battle seems to be used entirely for plot reasons - Enterprise takes a hit by the ferengi ship fusing their phasers into optic mode. Why all this work and use of the Hathaway when they have a perfectly good hokodeck to simulate the bridge of ANY ship - old federation vessel to another galaxy class ship so its a fair fight and solely about skill, ora Borg cube so the crew gets applicable combat practice. Holodecks are so under utilized except to film low budget, past period settings (Dickson hill, P.I) Sherlock Holmes, etc. Never do we see battle practice with ships and we know its possible- see episode RELICS where Scotty uses the holodeck to recreate the bridge of Enterprise A. Worf uses it ofte. to train his martial arts. Yet we never see it used for drills and fleet battle practice.
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Anton Nikolaievich
Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 12:58pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Identity Crisis

@David


The reason that Miss Universe only has competitors from Earth in it is because every living being in the universe lives on Earth. Aliens, like everything on Star Trek, are just fiction. It is bizarre to me how so many people on this website cannot seem to grasp that Star Trek is just a television programmec none of this actually happened or ever will happen, it is possible to enjoy a television programme without having a delusion that it is real.
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Vic
Thu, Aug 9, 2018, 4:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Basics, Part I

On this episode you can see how the writers forgot that the voyager crew was composed of various species that are normally speaking different dialects, yet when taken to the planet and com-badges removed (which most likely hold part of the universal translator) they can easily communicate with each other in good old universal English. Even if most of the crew spoke English, how does Neelix whose learning curve is a bit lower learned and master the English language in such a short time
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invictius
Sat, Jun 2, 2018, 12:56pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Repression

B&B should have been given credit for re-introducing Bajorans in a big way - there was no real need to try it 2 years after DS9 ended, but they tried it anyway!
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Vic
Wed, Nov 8, 2017, 2:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Captive Pursuit

Just watching DS9 for the first time. I am a B5 fan so this should be my thing. Typical old school ST but entertaining none the less...6/10 for me . Is it true that seasons 6 and 7 of DS9 are great viewing. I dont know how DS9 ends but season 5 of B5 was not good,does DS9 have a quality last season? Any replies most welcome.
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Victor
Mon, Aug 21, 2017, 8:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: Court Martial

I love that during the final fight in Engineering that Finney grabs a conveniently located GIANT WRENCH to attack Kirk with. First of all, Scotty did not stow tools when done? Secondly, what the heck on a WARP DRIVE do you use such a tool for?
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Victor
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 7:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Angel One

*Calls college graduate statistics into question for measure of intelligence then asks for tennis performance instead."

Hi-larious!
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VaeVictus
Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 3:58am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: I, Borg

Why is it that when genocide is talked about in pop culture, The Jewish Holocaust gets brought up?

I mean it makes sense to equate one fictional genocide with another but cmon. Every single time.
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VictoryIsLife
Tue, Sep 23, 2014, 5:58pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Tacking into the Wind

I've been watching a lot of ds9 lately so today I just decided to watch the two parter Redemption episodes of TNG. At the end of the first ep Worf and Gowron are trying to convince Picard and the federation in general to help them in what is a civil war. Picard gives a lecture on non interference. I immediately thought of how different Sisko is. Sisko doesn't care about these principles. He wants to win at any cost. If that means assassinating a leader to install someone who will go along with the federation then so be it. I have to admit ds9 is awesome and I like how dark and gritty it is BUT I have to say I wish he was like Picard. Picard would have stood by federation policy and found a way around Gowron. I also wish Worf had learned some of these lessons from Picard instead of just agreeing with Sisko. As interesting as Sisko is it's just upsetting that the other captains are principled starfleet officers throughout their lives. Then you have Sisko who is forever floating around in the wormhole with these aliens. The writers should never had made him a wormhole alien. They should have ended the series with Bajor entering the federation and Sisko remaining in starfleet.
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Victoria G
Sun, Sep 21, 2014, 4:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Drive

This reminds me of The Great Race, when Tony Curtis stopped his car just before the Eiffel Tower to propose to Natalie Wood. Except then it did not save their lives.
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Victoria G
Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 10:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Muse

People may not realize that this episode is taken straight from Greek theater. Many will recognize the chorus and the masks, but there are three types of plot twists that are included. Two were described by Aristotle – the reversal of fortune (Peripeteia) and the moment of recognition (Anagnorisis). Then there is the Deus ex Machina at the end.
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Daniel Lebovic
Wed, Jun 5, 2013, 1:47am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Into Darkness

Hi Nic - I'm not sure Matt is "taking things personally." I am not a mind-reader. Moreover, a lot of the posters have made denuciatory and declamatory one-liners that reflect hatred of and venom toward this movie (hate is never palatable, but it is always at its least palatable when it is unsupported by facts or reasoning) contrasted with Matt's specific, thoughtful and sober analysis. I eagerly await some of those to whom Matt responded in detail to reply back to him. I think it is always easier to criticize than to defend, because human beings are hard-wired that way (as a friend once told me, when I was childishly looking for a compliment, "People don't generally compliment you on routine things well-done. You will likely be criticized for a routine mistake.")

I spoke to the following point in 2009, and I too was in effect told to calm down: for those conversant in Star Trek history, no doubt you remember: Gene Roddenberry did not conceive of TOS as a drama shorn of interpersonal conflict where characters struggled to reach a utopian ideal. The characters in the original series routinely argued with each other. That reflects reality, in any century, as far as human beings are concerned. Twenty years down the line or so, when TNG came out Roddenberry attempted to reinvent what Star Trek "meant: lack of interpersonal conflict, Starfleet as not a military organization/organization heavily involved in "police actions" (TOS' Enterprise was involved in a number of such actions, and was in general used for militaristic purposes - even if defensive - more than the TNG Enterprise was, I think); Starfleet as an organization where traitors are hard to find. Roddenberry was shown Star Trek VI shortly before his death, and complained that the movie was too "militaristic."

If the CREATOR of Star Trek can change his mind about what Star Trek is or should be about, I find it impossible to understand how fans can attempt to impose a definition of what Star Trek "is." Part of the fun of discussing "Trek" and watching it over the years, for me, anyway, has been discussing what has made Star Trek so successful - and when I talk to different people about this, different people have different opinions. These people support their opinions with facts, and are not denigrated by those who claim that their actualization of "Trek" is and should be the only one.

Another point: While STID will probably not outgross its predecessor, it will, it appears, have a higher rate of return on its investment than most of the other Trek films have had. A major reason why the STID and its immediate predecessor fared so well is because non-fans saw these movies - a fair number of non-fans. STID received a Cinema Score rating of "A," which means a lot of non-fans also LIKED the movie. Evidently they were able to follow it. Fandom in days gone by often would hold the future of Trek in its hands: if the fan base did not show up to see Star Trek VI after V failed critically and commercially, perhaps there would have been no more movies.... No two CONSECUTIVE movies between Star Trek 1 and 10 were bombs, box-office wise, and the fans can be thanked for that. Surely, fans probably now realize that their input, and catering to their tastes, is less important to Paramount than it used to be, since the Star Trek movies, quite arguably, can exist as a going concern without having to rely ONLY on the fans.

Some people no doubt abhor this - i.e. they now believe "the only reason the movies can now survive is because they have been dumbed down for a mass audience. That is not an "accomplishment." (Perhaps people abhorring this explains some of the bile directed at this movie). IMHO, not one of the first ten Star Trek movies appealed primarily to the intellect. (Anyone who thinks otherwise, please share your thoughts). Some people no doubt abhor how this movie contains more special effects, more action, more cuts, more editing generally, than its predecessors. These items are value-neutral, though. They do not make a film better or worse.

One poster quoted Roger Ebert's review of "North" (1994), which contained a line to the effect of "I hated hated hated hated.. this movie." The late Ebert was also fond of saying something else: A movie is not what it is about, but how it is about it. If someone wants to condemn STID for being nothing more than an action picture, that person is condemning what the movie is about (and is also attempting to short-circuit legitimate debate - after all, to paraphrase something else Ebert once said, "Once you have called a movie an action movie, what else is there left to say about it?" The actual line Ebert used is, "Once you have called someone a Feminazi, what else is there to say about such a person?) rather than how it is about it. STID, while it is far from being a perfect movie, is, I think, an action/adventure movie that earns its thrills/laughs and some of the tears it attempts to make drop, because it goes about its story in an entertaining way, with excellent production values and a great cast that puts its own spin on things, and a script that, if criticized solely on the basis of what is on the page, moves us along from a series of exciting events to another, while even allowing for a little moral commentary that Roddenberry trying to reinvent Roddenberry Prime would have approved of (the militarism here was expressly singled out as leading Starfleet in a dangerous direction). Oh, and the screenplay does not spell things out for us (some people call that shoddy writing; reasonable people can disagree). That offends some, no doubt. One person complained that Admiral Marcus' motivation was not explained. Actually, it was (the destruction of Vulcan was, he claimed, an event that underscored the need for Starfleet to be more "proactive" against threats).

What I disagree with is not so much the reviews on this post that announce how bad this movie is, but rather the fact that a number of these reviews seem to be using, as evaluative measures, narrow, rigged criteria (i.e. "is this movie a Star Trek movie?") that when used will automatically result in this movie not "measuring up."
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Vic
Wed, Oct 3, 2012, 3:27pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: It's Only a Paper Moon

Thank you, Kristen. I was thinking the same thing. And thank you, Nog.
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Victor Leon
Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 1:02am (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: Precious Cargo

Jammer...really? Why again was it bad? You must be a TOTAL nerd to not appreciate a little romance and fun. I admit, Enterprise episodes were pretty bad, but I actually liked this one. Watching T'Pol play bad magistrate was pretty funny, and seeing a beautiful woman like Padme was fabulous (oh yeah and I'm a gay trekker). I am watching episodes on Netflix and this has in fact become the highlight of Season 2 so far (I'm on episode 12 now). Season 2 is sucking so bad..the one I kinda liked was Carbon Creek and it was because of the pathos of it.
Also that you for reminding me of ST VOY Threshold episode, I just saw it a few weeks ago and it was terrible...again. I thought maybe it might have remembered it differently. haha
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Victor
Mon, Dec 5, 2011, 6:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Unforgettable

You'd think they'd have 2 weeks of jacked up log entries if a virus deleted all records of her being there. Does the virus forge in the Voyager crew's own words an alibi for what else they could've been doing instead of dealing with Kellin?
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Victor
Mon, Nov 21, 2011, 5:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Macrocosm

Aside from one Macrovirus bomb not being thorough enough, a good episode. It's nice to see an enemy that isn't just another humanoid.
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vic fontaine
Thu, Feb 17, 2011, 3:02am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: His Way

This was the beginning of the end for DS9. WIthout a doubt my least favorite episode. It's like one of the producers got a huge hard on for lame lounge music and decided to whip his dick out in public to force everyone to not only look at it, but take a big whiff.

This is what happens when Hollywood douchebags get too much power, they can impose their personal fantasies on everyone else. Ira Behr is an idiot, and this more than dissolves and respect I had for the man's previous work.
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Ravicai
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 2:39am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Valiant

Initially I found myself wanting to type a long winded comment about why this episode was so terrible, but after reading all the comments I'll just summarize;

This episode SUCKED!!!!!!
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Daniel Lebovic
Wed, Jun 10, 2009, 11:24am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek (2009)

"Vulgarity is not as destructive to an artist as snobbery is." - Pauline Kael

Someone who "understands what science fiction is" would never call it "sci-fi," as a recent poster did. Of course, this assertion is just that - an assertion - an opinion. Again, no one has a definitional monopoly on what "Star Trek" is, or what "Star Trek is," or, as Kael's quote indicates, what a "good movie" is.
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