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Chrome’s Voyager Alt
Sun, Aug 18, 2019, 4:18am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: In the Flesh

“‘Anyhow, the weakness of the episode is the lack of credibility of the 8472's plan to impersonate Star Fleet to such a degree from like 60,000 light years away.’

The Dominion Changelings wave hello.”

Of course The Dominion had a stable wormhole so, yeah.
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Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 7:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: The 37's

This episode is more brain-dead than Vedek Bareil in "Life Support" (rim shot!). I've long believed that any premise, no matter how ridiculous, can be the stuff off good drama or comedy, but for that to work, the premise has to be executed with basic(s?) competence.

This episode is not executed with basic competence. The scenes do not move. The tone falters between hokeyness and seriousness. The dialogue is flat and uninspiring. And the ending is predictable in a muted, banal fashion that should come as a surprise to no one: No one decides to leave Voyager and stay on Amelia's planet. Perhaps that was for the best; life on that planet appeared to be intolerably boring anyway.

This was the wrong episode to have left-over and open season 2 with (not that Twisted or Elogium would have been the "right" episodes) - a Ford Gran Bore-ino floating in space (yes, that is a lame joke - you get from it an idea of what you're in for when you watch the episode).
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Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Will You Take My Hand?

If you're going to have a year-long arc, there really ought to be a good payoff at the end. But there was no reason whatsoever to think that L'Rell would call off the war if they gave her the bomb and every reason to think that they would not.
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Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: An Obol for Charon

One thing that grated me in this episode is when Stamets says Tilly has a eukaryotic organism, and they instantly jump to fungi. While fungi are eukaryotic, so are plants and animals.
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Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 10:27pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Also, shouldn't introducing a phaser into 1986 have massively changed the timeline they returned to...
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Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 10:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

So Kirk gets demoted and takes off in the freshly built Enterprise-A that same day?

If the ship was built and ready to go, it must have had a captain assigned to it.

Looks like another command officer got Captain Decker'd by Kirk.

Also, Scotty gives away transparent aluminum, and Chekov gives away a phaser, so whoever invented those in the prime timeline got royally screwed by this time heist.
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Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 6:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: All Our Yesterdays

@Trek fan

"The scene where he pushes Kirk in thte library cart is funny."

I wonder what era he was planning to send Kirk to. Wherever it was, the inhabitants must have been surprised when a library cart came shooting out of a wall or a cliff face.
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Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 4:05am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Symbiosis

Watching Star Trek TNG for the first time starting with season 1 episode 1, and I found this episode ridiculous and terrible enough that I had to do an internet search to confirm that I had just watched something so poorly written and thought-out.

None of the premise or explanation of this episode is rational or believable:

- A planet which has figured out space travel hasn't figured out how to examine and understand chemical compounds and has no conception of what drugs are?

- An entire planet is addicted to a drug and nobody on it has even been separated from the drug long enough to realize that withdrawals pass? Nobody on this planet ever gets lost in the wilderness, doesn't have the funds to acquire the drug, or any of many other scenarios where they'd inevitably get over the withdrawal period? How do newborns come to be addicted to the drug? Nobody ever just wilfully refuses to take it either out of protest or with a goal to suicide, or some other motivation?

- Picard and his crew violate the "prime direction" worse than speaking simple truth to these people all the time. And Picard violated the prime directive worse than telling the 'drug addicts' the truth when he saved them from their decaying ship - that interventionist action ensured that the entire planet would continue to be drugged, while if Picard hadn't done that they would have been forced to go through withdrawal with no alternative. Picard obviously violated the "prime directive" to save Wesley Crusher... but he wouldn't save an entire planet filled with teenagers of Wesley Crusher's age, and of children and babies younger than him?

- Picard gives utmost hypocritical speeches on the prime directive and how critical it is in an episode where he violates it multiple times, including wilfully and knowingly by giving the inhabitants of the drug-using planet the coils they need to fix their cargo ships. Picard later reverses that decision, but not for the sake of the prime directive, but because he wanted to cut their supply of the drug - and he openly acknowledges that he's flip-flopping and being selective in where he applies the prime directive by responding to the drug seller's "that's absurd!" comment by saying, "you did not think so when it worked in your favour". There is just 1 minutes and 50 seconds between Picard selectively applying the prime directive as a tool for ulterior motives and openly acknowledging that he's doing so, and him giving Dr Crusher a lecture on the prime directive's importance in the elevator. This is stupid.

- The planet that makes and sells the drugs to the other is 100% filled with evil persons who eagerly exploit the other planet's people and feel no compassion or sense of humanity towards them? Not one of the people on that planet cared to send a message to tell the other planet that they're just addicted? An entire planet's population has no compassion, doesn't regard other people are equal to themselves? How could that planet then care for each other? They couldn't, they would inevitably rationalize betrayal of each other just as they do the people on the other planet.

These are just some select major issues with the episode, while I think I could point out a dozen more. This whole episode's premise and execution was completely stupid, and it shouldn't have been done. The episode also is entirely ignorant of the topic of drug use and portrays out-dated (were they ever in-date?) tropes of people who use drugs, and is like watching a very old film that features extreme racial prejudices that were normal at the time, but which reeks of ignorance when watched today.

I would not be surprised to find out that this episode was sponsored by the US government or some other third party - though, the DEA seems a very likely possibility.
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Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 1:36pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

With regard to the earlier discussion above, about previous series also facing their fair share of antagonism from Trekkies..

From Scott Collura's interview with Jonathan Frakes last week..

His first question to Frakes: "Do you remember your first convention experience?"

Frakes: "Only too well [pause]. I was in Syracuse, NY, and the show had just barely aired. The audience, as you may or may not know, was quite skeptical, of all of us. So, it was a, dare I say, a hostile group.. who were not ready for a bald, English captain with a French name and a wholesome cast. They wanted their Kirk, Spock, and Bones."
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Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 2:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

Hulu? Ugh.. Unfortunately, I don't have it.

I'll look into getting it, but it looks like I don't have to decide until over a year from now and it will take me more than just The Orville to sign up for another streaming service.

I am sure there are reasons for the move (none that I have read that I found satisfactory though), but I am disappointed that it's no longer on Fox.
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Kevin S.
Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 10:56am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Imperfection

Great Roddenberry's Ghost! Whyyyy does Janeway never delegate her responsibilities? The captain should NEVER go on every away mission with her head pilot and security officer (or, alternately, her chief engineer). Yes, I realize it's because it's only a TV show, but jeeeeez.
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Kevin S.
Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 5:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Spirit Folk

I grow weary of these tired Irish stereotypes, frankly. And the "holodeck malfunction" plot device has been waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overdone. Ugh. One star is right, even generous.
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Kevin S.
Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 2:56pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: The Voyager Conspiracy

Reminds me of today's world... lots of my friends assimilate too much data from social media and the internet, then rant about these half-baked conspiracy theories. For example, one of them just got into David Icke and his lizard people theories... that guy is obviously a paranoid schizophrenic! Anyway, feels like a take on that sort of thing, to my mind.
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Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 8:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Descent, Part II

Sounds like this episode will be one of the planks setting up the backstory in the forthcoming 'Star Trek: Picard' series.
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Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 2:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: The Gamesters of Triskelion

@Peter G.

Thanks for replying to my message. I'm not precisely sure what our point of disagreement is. You noted,

"We like to think that we're so superior because we have a democratic way of life, however what this little ending tells us is that you aren't better because you have self-government; rather, you can only self-govern *once you are better*. In Trek terms that means evolving as a culture until ready for something like the UFP, probably after a few international fiascos first. It means that democracy doesn't actually work unless the people are worthy of it."

I don't necessarily disagree with any of the above. I was trying to ask, how, exactly, can a group of people be *taught* to develop a normal, self-governing culture, when the "teachers" are poor role models? How will the Providers themselves be able to teach the lesson when they have no frame of reference or experience on which to draw?

I think a real-world analogy (albeit a crude one) would be that of slavemasters trying to teach slaves whom they has "released" from slavery, how to establish and maintain a system of self-governance. How is a slavemaster - to whom the very notion has been anathema by definition - qualified to do this, exactly?

"Once you become better" seems to be a logical requirement for self-government. The question is, though, how DOES a group of people become "better"? How do they become "worthy" of self-governance? I don't really know the answer to this question. Must they be taught? By whom, and how?

Some people say racism is "taught." I'm not sure of that. I think we can agree that it is something that must be learned - and that learning can happen without a teacher; someone can pick it up by simply by being in a certain environment wher racist behavior and language are common. There's no guaranteed outcome, in terms of impact on an indvidual, as a result of such exposure. Some people may observe the racist behavior and conclude it is wrong; some may find the behavior to be reasonable or non-offensive. I don't know how to teach "moral development" any more than I know how to teach "self-governance." Are people born morally neutral? Is morality a function of genetics? These are fascinating questions - but the questions - I can practically guarantee you - were not on the mind of the people who made this episode. What the reaction to the phrase "Chi-koo" would be, was what was on their minds.

I don't know the answers. Would the Republic in Episode 1 have been saved from political destruction if there was no such thing as a "Sith"?
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Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 3:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Worst Case Scenario

I have been really enjoying rewatching VOY episodes (and seeing some for the first time) after so many years and then coming here to read all the comments to see how people's perceptions of the episodes may have changed over time.

I thought this episode was a lot of fun. I was surprised how many comments I read through before seeing someone mention that hilarious line about not stopping to examine every pointless anomaly - - this epi was sooo meta and a sly wink to many fan criticisms. It felt like the actors really enjoyed doing this episode as well, there was some extra deliciously sarcastic flair from all the main cast.

I really liked Skeptical's ideas for changing up the plot. Removing the IMMINENT DEATH aspect really would solve so many of the implausible elements. That Seska might tinker with the program just to mess with Tuvok makes more sense than trying to kill him--even removing a few failsafes to freak them out works, but ultimately they'd find a way to escape without outside intervention. As others have noted, it would have been a perfectly fun character study within the hologram limitations, no need to go to extremes that strain credulity. I was howling over Skeppy's query about who was directing the hologram episode Janeway was viewing onscreen.

All that said, still an entertaining lark of an episode and I enjoyed the character interactions, humor, and meta elements immensely.
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Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 2:29am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Through the Looking Glass

There's no other commenter on this site other than that Elliott figure that gets me to the point of teeth gritting disgust so easily and so quickly.
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Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 11:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: The Battle

I don't care too much that this episode is at times painfully slow, or that it's irritating that the audience is always so far ahead of most of the characters. Even the complacent utopian babble about conquering the scourge of the headache doesn't faze me too much. This was the first episode of TNG I ever saw, on eitehr its first or second airing. I was at my cousins' house, and was about seven- or eight-years old. I already knew a little bit about TOS and had seen a few episodes, and was really confused about who the people were on this show, since nobody had deigned to tell me there was a new Star Trek series, but my cousin was already a fan. I thought Picard on teh Stargazer was the most haunting thing I'd ever seen up to that point. The visions clouding his mind and Riker yelling at him to "DESTROY THE SPHERE!" while the alarm yammers on in the background have been indellibly etched into my brain for all time. As such, i'll always have a real soft spot and fondness for this story.

This episode continues the on-going Star Trek obsession with aping, in one way or another, the obsessive motif of Moby Dick. yes, it's TOS-like, but in a way a slightly sick love letter like The naked now could never hope to be. TOS and DS9 are still my favourite series to this day, but I have the strongest and most vivid memories of watching TnG as a kid.
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Vladimir Estragon
Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 6:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Assignment

It's not my favorite episode either, but I think that Keiko was the perfect choice. Everybody already thought that she was a cranky bitch, so the personality change wasn't immediately obvious to most people. It's always been my opinion that, after the end of the series, Miles O'Brien would last about a month on Earth with her before signing on for another deep space mission.
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Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:46am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Home

Maybe this was dealt with in a discussion I didn't see or that I've forgotten, but what is to prevent Talla from succumbing to the same gravity-related issues that afflicted Alara? Maybe the holodeck treatment that Kasidy Yates came up with that Alara ended up not using?
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Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 10:55am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: The Gamesters of Triskelion

Shahna bids farewell to Captain Kirk: "Goodbye, Jim Kirk. I will learn, and watch the lights in the sky, and remember."

That line must be evalauted in context - which means, in this case, the line (Kirk's) that preceded it.

And what was that line, Kirk's parting line to Shahna? "There's so much you must learn here first. The Providers will teach you. Learn it, Shahna. all your people must learn before you can reach for the stars. Shahna."

And what is it that the Providers will teach? How to "establish a normal self-governing culture."

The Providers will be teaching this to the Thralls, with respect to whom the Providers made the following observation: "We are known to the thralls as Providers because we provide for all their needs. The term is easier for their limited mental abilities to comprehend."

What was the 4-star moment, again? Those 4 stars have dim wattage, indeed.

As one blogger said, "It's as if writer Margaret Armen was given a big book of science-fiction clichés and somehow mistook it for a to-do list."
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Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 9:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Threshold

OK so I’m clearly in a tiny tiny minority, but I just watched this episode and yeah, it’s not great and it’s full of technobabble nonsense, but it’s amusing and presents interesting ideas and certainly held my attention, unlike the episode immediately following, “Meld,” which I’m finding unutterably boring. At least “Threshold” wasn’t boring.
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Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 6:51am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Let He Who Is Without Sin...

Sorry to report, at this point in time in the prime universe Jammer has been unable to remove all traces of this episode from Trek. Episode so bad the comments eventually degenerated into discussion and critique about various forms of football until for some reason someone brought it kicking and screaming back to the episode. So if on the off chance someone is still interested enough to have gotten to the bottom of the comments page, here is my 2 cents.

All sports are created equal. But Australian ones are better ;)
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Lizzy DataLover
Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 12:24am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: All Good Things...

Omg I remember my anticipation for this episode! Sitting there in my room and pressing play on my DVD player was a moment I'll never forget. It was a little anticlimactic I think *only because it was meant to be to usher in the movies* but all in all a pretty great episode. (And let's be honest here definitely better than Nemesis ending wise. And in every aspect for that matter) I was dreading watching it because I didn't want the show to end but I knew It had to. Senile Picard was so sad, married Geordi was cute (Leah?) Captain Beverly was cool and omg Data with a dozen cats!! ^-^ I always knew he'd go down that road.

Regarding what Asher said earlier religion really is a driving force for our society and I doubt it's just gonna go away because we met up with some aliens in the future. In fact I would think religion would be pretty popular in Star Trek time because of all the crazy stuff they've seen. They have plenty of reason to believe in a higher power. They've literally met gods before! (Q, various TOS weirdos) I'm just saying I really admire Gene R's view of the future but the "no religion" thing really bugged me.

Also Troi and Crusher were pretty sadly underused. Troi is just the most useless annoying character I've ever seen. You could tell she really didn't have any idea what she was doing. Crusher was pretty poor as well, but not as much. And honestly, I'll take a boring Dr. Beverly over an evil Pulaski any day.

Real quick because I cant resist:

Picard: Sir Patrick Stewart is a real king and his character is very admirable but I think the early seasons just kinda ruined him for me. Later Picard can be downright badass but Early Picard needs to get off his high horse.

Riker: dude, this guy. I never really liked Riker he's just so shamelessly Kirk. Although for me Kirk did have some admirable moments despite being a ladie's man but Riker was just weird. That grin of his made me want to punch him so hard too many times.

Data: without a doubt the greatest character to ever be created right along Spock. His innocence and obvious humanity (which he is oblivious to) is just so appealing I could go on about him for hours. He is just the sweetest man. Not to mention Brent Spiner did him so much more than justice.

Geordi: he could have been somebody but he was reduced to the nerd boy who's really awkward around girls. Idk I feel like he's really likable but they didn't really give him a chance.

Worf: I love Worf. Maybe not as much as I love Data or Spock but Worf is runner up in the awkward outsider character field. He's funny and cool *when he's not getting his butt kicked of course* but I'm just a sucker for the outsider characters. They remind me of me.

Beverly: yeah kind of a waste but she had potential. I think her relationship with Picard was the main thing she had going for her and it was interesting to see but she could have been given more.

Troi: oh dear. She was just so useless! "I sense the Romulan commander is very anxious" yeah you mean because we have like all our phasers and torpedoes aimed at him? Who would have guessed.

Tasha: she had potential. But no. All she did was wine and cry and seduce innocent Pinocchios into her bedroom and I just couldn't stand her.

Wesley: boy am I glad they canned this little brat.

Pulaski: she doesn't even belong on the list but if i must then she is terrible and was a horribly written and mean spirited character who made season 2 worse than season 1. Somehow.

Wow it looks like Data really is the only reason I watch this show. I love Star Trek with a burning passion but dang, those characters. Sometimes they just disappointed beyond belief.
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Bob Vogel
Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 9:51am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: The Icarus Factor

Mitchell Ryan was the perfect dad for Will and they acted well together. I always thought that the guest stars were well picked for their roles. In this case, I like the way dad said at the end, “ How do you think I feel, I love you son”. Felt genuine ...on both sides!
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