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Dave in MN
Wed, May 5, 2021, 9:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Welcome to both Stella and Hoshi. Interesting posts!
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Dave in MN
Tue, May 4, 2021, 10:27am (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S4: Bound

Trek comedies are often weak because comedy wasn't in the wheelhouse of the writers, directors and certain actors. They fail more often then they succeed at being funny, but hey, at least the showrunners idn't limit themselves and sometimes itt actually worked.

The concept behind the Orions is what it is: you can choose to either be offended by them or laugh at how silly it all is. Yes, it's a dumb puerile fantasy straight out of a porno, so what do you do with it? There's nothing really to analyze.

I think the real disconnect here is that mid-period Trek is usually supposed to be taken seriously and these goofy sitcom-like episodes are jarring. Case in point: the reaction to "Precious Cargo" or Ferengi episodes.

In TOS, it's way easier to accept the premise and laugh at this stuff because that show already has campy elements. (I'd argue that's part of that show's appeal.)

Anyways, I found this episode somewhat amusing yet dumb in its slavish homage to the TOS ethos (including the unintentional camp). It passed the time, then I went about my day and never gave it another thought.
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EventualZen
Sun, May 2, 2021, 5:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Before and After

@SJU
>If Kes is 9 years old when the show opens how does she have a daughter that is in her 20s?

May be the daughter aged fast because she's half Ocampan?

@Andersonh1
>But then shouldn't every future version of the characters be well aware of what's happening to Kes since she's told them in the past (from their point of view)?

That's a really good point and is true of other time travel episodes such as "All Good Things".
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Sven
Sun, May 2, 2021, 1:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Fury

I think Yanks pretty much nailed this in a single sentence.

It's not hard to figure out the actress-suddenly-canned -- show-formula-changed -- actress-has-3-yr-dry-spell -- actress-brought-back-for-weird-coda -- actress-stops-working-after-Voyager-coda -- actress-later-revealed-to-have-substance-and-mental-health-issues progression. She was having trouble; they cut her loose, then tried (halfheartedly) to help her out; things didn't go well.

See also: Glenn Quinn (Doyle) on Angel, Johnny Lewis (Kip) on Sons of Anarchy.
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Sven
Sun, May 2, 2021, 12:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: The Fight

Will just point out that this [The Fight] was during the same general Voyager-bridge-set-caught-fire reconstruction period as 'Bride of Chaotica' -- they were pinched for stages and story-edits, they did some of their filming asynchronously (months after the fact, when bridge-set rebuilt), and the quality suffers accordingly. I'm not defending this stretch; it's notably a hard slog.
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Sven
Sun, May 2, 2021, 2:43am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Bride of Chaotica!

Just chiming in -- decades after the fact -- to add that this episode was stre-eee-etched out (far) beyond its original premise because of a fire on-set -- Voyager's bridge was unavailable for months, requiring a great deal of asynchronous post-facto filming. Chaotica 'suffered' (extensive rewrites) as a result; one imagines the initial plot wasn't quite so cookie-cutter "aliens take control of holodeck."
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David H
Sun, May 2, 2021, 12:19am (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S4: Bound

Haven't been here in a while and thought I'd refresh my memory on what Jammer thought of this episode -though I shouldn't have bothered. He was woke before woke was cool.
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Dave in MN
Sat, May 1, 2021, 8:06pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethMacFarlane/status/1384257488569081857

Seth Tweeted:

"Season 3 is on its way. It will be more than worth the wait, I promise!"
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Sven
Sat, May 1, 2021, 12:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Meld

This is, more properly, a re-hash of the third season Babylon 5 episode "Passing Through Gethsemane." But it's excellent stuff; Dourif always adds a certain flair, and Tim Russ gets to show off his dramatic chops here. (See also his brief post-torture scene in 'Basics Part II.') Shame he wasn't used more frequently or effectively throughout the series.
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Sven
Sat, May 1, 2021, 12:14am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: The Gift

So much bad mojo happening backstage by this point. Garrett Wang, while at a con appearance, was right on the verge of saying "Well, Jennifer [Lien] left, but of course she was having...," and then GOT CUT OFF BY THE PANEL HOST. Clearly something having to do with interpersonal relations and/or mental-substance-health. Sorta wish he'd finished that sentence.

Notice that Voyager and its parent UPN network were trying various gimmicks at this point -- THIS is our JURASSIC PARK STAR TREK EPISODE, THIS is our WWF WRESTLING STAR TREK EPISODE, THIS is our TEENAGE Q OGLES BOOBIES EPISODE, THIS is our LUCY-LAWLESS-and-JERI-RYAN TANDEM PHOTO MARKETING CAMPAIGN, etc. -- I get the sense they were frantically trying to Rubik's Cube the show formula so as to tweak ratings. Don't neglect that S3/S4 Kes was all but cosmetically identical to Jeri Ryan (blue-silver catsuit, teased-out long hair, blonde-and-blue phenotype) at time of departure.

Thus: the S3-S4 gap seems to have been a "quick, quick, try anything" interregnum. They were gearing up to lose Wang, and/or to lose Lien, and/or to onboard new blood, the more titillating the better. I'll point out the needlessly-obvious tidbit that Jeri entered into a sexual relationship with showrunner Brannon Braga within 18-to-24 months (...or less...) of her hire.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 4:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Time Squared

^

It wasn't murder when they killed O'Brien's clone on DS9.
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valdaspon
Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 9:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Dragon's Teeth

In the last scene, Seven tells Janeway that Seven regrets having opened Gedrin’s stasis pods. Janeway: “You thought you were acting out of compassion. But it still was wrong.”

This one exchange shows how sloppily written this episode was. Janeway apparently needed Seven to remind Janeway about something she already knew (the opening of the pod) in order to get mad at her. Janeway had precisely zero obligation to wake up the rest of the Vaadwaur. At one point she says, “We’ve got a civilization to rebuild.” Zero reflection on her part how the “threat” she laughably warned Seven about would have never materialized had she not revived the Turei (with Starfleet technology). It’s as If the people who wrote the show were determined to cram whatever they could from the story break in 45 minutes, without once trying to determine whether a seam had burst.
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EventualZen
Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

In act 2 a jumja stick vendor refuses to serve O'Brien because of the current controversy involving Keiko. Watching this in 2021 makes me think of Christian cake shop owners refusing to serve gay couples for gay weddings. I wonder what the federation stance on that is?
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Javier
Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 6:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: The Expanse

This whole Xindi scenario is basically an exercise in fantasy wherein Iraq actually had WMDs that it was planning to use on the United States. However what bothers me about the Iraq discourse is that it carries the assumption that invading Afghanistan was justified, when it is morally identical to Iraq. What would’ve been interesting would be if Earth invaded a “primitive” culture with values that differed significantly from theirs, we’re totally outclassed and forced to recognize that there is no such thing as a bad or oppressive culture, that there’s no moral difference between women in burkas and women turned into sex objects, that all morals are equally constructed and at best can be “wrong for me, right for you” and vice versa.
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Javier
Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 6:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Sub Rosa

This is bad, but it’s bad like The Room and Birdemic, Which is to say that it’s one of the most entertaining episodes of Star Trek writ large.
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Javier
Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 6:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Offspring

I am extremely uncomfortable with the plot lines in TNG and Voyager to humanize inorganic beings. Data and the Doctor are objects, not subjects, inorganic and unable to transcend the fact they they are programmed, even if that programming is highly advanced and even alterable. They can mimic sentience in a very convincing way, but they can never achieve it.
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Javier
Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 5:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: A Matter of Perspective

I do enjoy that this episode rejects the fictive idea of objective truth that is so often treated as fact in science fiction and media in general. That said, Riker is a creep; they’ve tried to model him on Kirk but Kirk was intelligent, suave and attractive, Riker comes off as singlemindedly horny and exploitative — if they were songs then then Kirk would be Joni Mitchell’s Coyote and Riker is Ava Adore by the Smashing Pumpkins.
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Javier
Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 5:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

Something interesting about this episode is the Sovereign Marouk’s constant flagellation of her own culture and history, basically saying something to the effect of “we once were a society that had different values and cultural practices than those of late 20th century urbane westerners (as represented by the Federation) but nowadays we know that the values of bourgeois Britons and Americans are the right values, beyond question and reproach” — in this context it is very telling that the villain of the story, Yuta, is basically a personification of tradition, dedicated to the authentic practices of her culture, which differ greatly from those of bourgeois Westerners, and so by the end of the episode she must die; there can be no accommodation or compromise made with the traditional ways, they must be killed and the Acamarians must be wholly absorbed into the Federation’s values and morals.


To me this is a reflection of Anglo American politics , either through hard or soft means, different ways of being must be destroyed and the proper Western way installed by any means, the Afghans need secularism and democracy and the Western philosophical concept of rights as they pertain to women and this must be bestowed on them by countless 5.56mm NATO rounds from the barrel of an M4, and many many drone strikes.
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EventualZen
Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 7:56pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Chimera

@CeliaStarTrekker
>I get that by DS9 (and even TNG) the Star Trek message had been rehashed and turned into a melodramatic reflection of current human issues and the way we treat each other,

What about TOS episodes such as "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" or "A Private Little War"? Surely they were about current issues and how we treat each other?
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Dave in MN
Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Brothers

^

I have to agree. I have NEVER thought that was actually Patrick Stewart's voice.

I always figured they brought in a imitator and dubbed it in post because Stewart didn't want to be bothered wasting an afternoon saying a bunch of random words in monotone over and over again.
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Dave in MN
Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Outcast

@ Trish

Man, it's crazy the hurdles people are dealt in life. I'm still getting over a bad accident that happened at my job last October so I truly understand the struggle. Your inner strength is admirable.

Oh yeah, thanks for joining the conversation! It's great to have more female perspectives represented here.
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Dave in MN
Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 10:50am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Outcast

@ Trish

I hope you're feeling better!
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Dave in MN
Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 10:49am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

We've got some episode titles now!

The first five episodes are:

"Electric Sheep"
"Shadow Realms"
"Mortality Paradox"
"Gently Falling Rain"
"A Tale of Two Topas"
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EventualZen
Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 8:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Coda

@Riprake
>which would in turn raise complicated questions of whether that means God is there too and what kind of dealings with each of several million different sentient species in the Milky Way alone...

I doubt there's that many sentient species in the Milky Way, the Federation only has 150 planets and Borg have only encountered about 10,000 species (if we are to go by species 8472 being new in Voyager "Scorpion".

@Gholam
>Or perhaps a bully kid with a magnifying glass tormenting all the ants (us).

When I was 10 I use to burn the ink on newspapers using a magnifying glass. One warm summer's day I decided to take the magnifying glass to the garden and burn some ants. It seems so cruel to me now at the age of 36.

If aliens came to earth they could be so far ahead of us technologically that they view us as ants.

Alien 1: Look at the 3rd planet in this system, it's got humans crawling all over it.
Alien 2: Humans? That's disgusting, lets fire down some cosmic rays and give them all cancer!

Lets hope aliens mature as they grow up (assuming they do grow up) and not let their kids near us.
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MsV
Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 11:45am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Vortex

Realng good episode
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