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Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
I would totally love a remaster of Skyward Sword if only because I'll likely never pull out the Wii or Wii-U from storage ever again, and the remote that came with the special edition stopped working.
I would totally love a remaster of Skyward Sword if only because I'll likely never pull out the Wii or Wii-U from storage ever again, and the remote that came with the special edition stopped working.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@Glom
I didn't take it as anything other than an observation.
However, I think its a reasonable stance to be critical of something and still find value or entertainment in it. I think Jammer's review makes this point well. I feel more than comfortable discussing some of the criticisms of Picard because I know it won't make me enjoy it any less.
I ordered that book from Amazon. Can't guarantee I'll get around to it soon, but eventually I will. The depth of that kind of discussion is probably not something I could contribute a ton to. However, for those who play video or PC games, "SOMA" is a game I would recommend along the same lines.
@Glom
I didn't take it as anything other than an observation.
However, I think its a reasonable stance to be critical of something and still find value or entertainment in it. I think Jammer's review makes this point well. I feel more than comfortable discussing some of the criticisms of Picard because I know it won't make me enjoy it any less.
I ordered that book from Amazon. Can't guarantee I'll get around to it soon, but eventually I will. The depth of that kind of discussion is probably not something I could contribute a ton to. However, for those who play video or PC games, "SOMA" is a game I would recommend along the same lines.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@Sen-Sors
Unfortunately a lot of this is explained in the companion novel, which although pretty good is problematic as one shouldn't be expected to read the novel to understand parts of the show.
@Sen-Sors
Unfortunately a lot of this is explained in the companion novel, which although pretty good is problematic as one shouldn't be expected to read the novel to understand parts of the show.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
In all seriousness, I would call the writing on Picard uneven. I think there a few standout scenes and interactions, along with some good ideas (I was very disappointed not to find out more about the creators of an octonary star system, among some other things). Then there is other stuff that either falls flat or is just bad decision making. I can understand if it makes for a frustrating view, even if I personally found it enjoyable overall.
At the same time I think the writers do a decent job of weaving some elements of TNG into the story. Data's hand of 5 queen of hearts in the opening is a nice callback to "Measure of a Man" , as the queen of hearts is his hole card in the poker scene, in which he's bluffed out of 3 of a kind by Riker, who has a broken flush draw (that its the queen of hearts should be one the reasons that Data calls the bluff, as Riker has a heart flush draw). Data's wish to have the quantum simulation deactivated is also a callback to the same episode, where Data tells Maddox that merely having memories of an existence is not the same as physically being there. It was a nice touch in what I thought was a great scene.
Maybe I'm a little too kind to the current iterations of Trek, but I also had some unkind feelings towards the end run of VOY and ENT so maybe it all evens out.
In all seriousness, I would call the writing on Picard uneven. I think there a few standout scenes and interactions, along with some good ideas (I was very disappointed not to find out more about the creators of an octonary star system, among some other things). Then there is other stuff that either falls flat or is just bad decision making. I can understand if it makes for a frustrating view, even if I personally found it enjoyable overall.
At the same time I think the writers do a decent job of weaving some elements of TNG into the story. Data's hand of 5 queen of hearts in the opening is a nice callback to "Measure of a Man" , as the queen of hearts is his hole card in the poker scene, in which he's bluffed out of 3 of a kind by Riker, who has a broken flush draw (that its the queen of hearts should be one the reasons that Data calls the bluff, as Riker has a heart flush draw). Data's wish to have the quantum simulation deactivated is also a callback to the same episode, where Data tells Maddox that merely having memories of an existence is not the same as physically being there. It was a nice touch in what I thought was a great scene.
Maybe I'm a little too kind to the current iterations of Trek, but I also had some unkind feelings towards the end run of VOY and ENT so maybe it all evens out.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
I disagree because since you admittedly did not view Picard, its possible that its only only 87% true "the Trek writers of today have no imagination and go straight to the gutter of the lowest common denominator". ;)
I disagree because since you admittedly did not view Picard, its possible that its only only 87% true "the Trek writers of today have no imagination and go straight to the gutter of the lowest common denominator". ;)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
Watched the first episode of Space Force. Less than mediocre. Maybe I'll try and pick it up at a later time.
Watched the first episode of Space Force. Less than mediocre. Maybe I'll try and pick it up at a later time.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
Personally loved Mr. Robot. Thought the acting and direction were awesome. Only missteps in my mind were a dragging of the 2nd season and the ending, which while still good wasn't quite the payoff I had hoped for.
Personally loved Mr. Robot. Thought the acting and direction were awesome. Only missteps in my mind were a dragging of the 2nd season and the ending, which while still good wasn't quite the payoff I had hoped for.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Understood.
With regards to RLM, they're probably fine overall. But I really don't get the Plinkett thing. YMMV
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Understood.
With regards to RLM, they're probably fine overall. But I really don't get the Plinkett thing. YMMV
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
My intitial response was to this:
"But hey! Don't let a bunch of old whiners stop you! Just imagine all the murder and eye-gouging and dystopian sh*t you'll be depriving yourself of, had you listened to the naysayers. After all, it has the words "Star Trek" in the title, so it has to be good, right?"
You made a snarky implication about people who enjoy "Nu-Trek" (implying sheep mentality, also I don't enjoy eye gouging), so I responded with a snarky comment of my own (implying sheep mentality), and then you doubled down with more snark as a response (implying sheep mentality), and I responded to that claim. There's really no more to it than that.
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
My intitial response was to this:
"But hey! Don't let a bunch of old whiners stop you! Just imagine all the murder and eye-gouging and dystopian sh*t you'll be depriving yourself of, had you listened to the naysayers. After all, it has the words "Star Trek" in the title, so it has to be good, right?"
You made a snarky implication about people who enjoy "Nu-Trek" (implying sheep mentality, also I don't enjoy eye gouging), so I responded with a snarky comment of my own (implying sheep mentality), and then you doubled down with more snark as a response (implying sheep mentality), and I responded to that claim. There's really no more to it than that.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
Here's a shocking revelation about your shocking idea, something I posted before Picard aired:
"Think I’m going to do this the old school way. I’ll watch it, then formulate my opinion.
Then I’ll read Jammer’s review 🙂"
In fact, you have a comment right below mine.
https://www.jammersblog.com/2019/07/20/latest-picard-trailer-reveals-familiar-faces/#comments
Here's a shocking revelation about your shocking idea, something I posted before Picard aired:
"Think I’m going to do this the old school way. I’ll watch it, then formulate my opinion.
Then I’ll read Jammer’s review 🙂"
In fact, you have a comment right below mine.
https://www.jammersblog.com/2019/07/20/latest-picard-trailer-reveals-familiar-faces/#comments
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
I think I'm going to need a Red Letter Media video or Plinkett Review on the reveal to tell me how I should feel about this new Pike era show.
"But hey! Don't let a bunch of old whiners stop you! "
Not to worry, because we won't.
I think I'm going to need a Red Letter Media video or Plinkett Review on the reveal to tell me how I should feel about this new Pike era show.
"But hey! Don't let a bunch of old whiners stop you! "
Not to worry, because we won't.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
I tend to agree that smaller scale conflict in terms of ships works best on screen in Trek, my favorite being the battle at Khitomer in The Undiscovered Country. The Borg being an unstoppable force in a single ship is an intimidating sight. Though, I also think larger fleets made more sense in DS9, so I agree with @Dom there.
In Picard, the only reason the size of the Romulan (Zhat Vash) fleet would make sense is as a last stand in case they're unsuccessful in destroying the beacon, and the admonition comes to pass. I'm not sure the size of the federation fleet makes any sense given the information they have.
I tend to agree that smaller scale conflict in terms of ships works best on screen in Trek, my favorite being the battle at Khitomer in The Undiscovered Country. The Borg being an unstoppable force in a single ship is an intimidating sight. Though, I also think larger fleets made more sense in DS9, so I agree with @Dom there.
In Picard, the only reason the size of the Romulan (Zhat Vash) fleet would make sense is as a last stand in case they're unsuccessful in destroying the beacon, and the admonition comes to pass. I'm not sure the size of the federation fleet makes any sense given the information they have.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
Or we can consider "Measure of a Man" (an episode directly related to this series), where Picard tries to use circumvention to interfere with a direct order from Starfleet to hand over Data to Maddox by having Data resign, only to then have to challenge the finding by the JAG that Data is indeed the property of Starfleet and cannot resign or refuse to cooperate with Maddox. There are some other interesting points from "Measure of a Man" that relate to Picard;
- Data points out to Maddox in his quarters that although his memories would be intact, the substance and essence of them in the moment would be lost by the procedure. He would no longer have that which makes him Data. Which is the position he is in while in the quantum simulation in Picard.
- Capain Philipa Louvois refers to Picard as still a "pompous ass". Admiral f***ing Clancy just upped the in universe ante.
- The poker scene. I can't decide if its genius or silly. Its obviously a set up for the events of the episode, but its a hand I have a hard time seeing anyone so mathematically inclined as Data ever folding, given the size of the bet relative to the pot, the strength of his hand ( 3 of a kind, while his full hand also contains two hearts, blockers to Riker's flush possibility, while Riker has no straight or higher pair possibilities)( *only the audience knows Data has 3 of a kind*). Thats without even being able to discern what face cards the other players were holding, which could have also contained hearts. Maybe its both.
Or we can consider "Measure of a Man" (an episode directly related to this series), where Picard tries to use circumvention to interfere with a direct order from Starfleet to hand over Data to Maddox by having Data resign, only to then have to challenge the finding by the JAG that Data is indeed the property of Starfleet and cannot resign or refuse to cooperate with Maddox. There are some other interesting points from "Measure of a Man" that relate to Picard;
- Data points out to Maddox in his quarters that although his memories would be intact, the substance and essence of them in the moment would be lost by the procedure. He would no longer have that which makes him Data. Which is the position he is in while in the quantum simulation in Picard.
- Capain Philipa Louvois refers to Picard as still a "pompous ass". Admiral f***ing Clancy just upped the in universe ante.
- The poker scene. I can't decide if its genius or silly. Its obviously a set up for the events of the episode, but its a hand I have a hard time seeing anyone so mathematically inclined as Data ever folding, given the size of the bet relative to the pot, the strength of his hand ( 3 of a kind, while his full hand also contains two hearts, blockers to Riker's flush possibility, while Riker has no straight or higher pair possibilities)( *only the audience knows Data has 3 of a kind*). Thats without even being able to discern what face cards the other players were holding, which could have also contained hearts. Maybe its both.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
Redemption pt. 1 - Picard rejects Gowron's request for Starfleet aid based on non interference.
Redemption pt. 2 - Picard convinces a fleet admiral to allow him to set up a blockade near the Klingon/Romulan border to expose Romulan supply ships, based on no other evidence other than Gowron being on the losing end of the war at this point, and the logic supplied by Worf that he rejected in pt.1.
Redemption pt. 1 - Picard rejects Gowron's request for Starfleet aid based on non interference.
Redemption pt. 2 - Picard convinces a fleet admiral to allow him to set up a blockade near the Klingon/Romulan border to expose Romulan supply ships, based on no other evidence other than Gowron being on the losing end of the war at this point, and the logic supplied by Worf that he rejected in pt.1.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
I think you are conflating two thoughts from the same comment. You asked if current Star Trek could cross a line to where I would say no more, and I said I don't know. This is in regards specifically to the Trek universe, Discovery, Picard, and whatever else is in the pipeline for the future. My second thought about The Orville is independent of that question, as The Orville doesn't fall under the Star Trek universe, so I didn't consider it under the premise of your original question.
As far as making the distinction of Trek/Not Trek regarding The Orville, it is something I say I should have not have said because it does something I dislike, it implies that whatever is "not Trek" or what have you is either bad or not enjoyable. I think thats too binary an outcome for discussing Trek, and that can make those discussions meaningless. But by saying that I fell into the same trap I would usually avoid. So yes, I do feel that was a mistake on my part, because despite my criticisms of it, I do enjoy it for the most part, and its a mistake to imply otherwise.
"Unless you want to argue that ST:P is more Trekkish then the Orville, which I think we'd both agree to be a ridiculous statement."
I won't argue this point, I'll only say I'll be there for both shows 2nd and 3rd seasons, respectively. :)
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
I think you are conflating two thoughts from the same comment. You asked if current Star Trek could cross a line to where I would say no more, and I said I don't know. This is in regards specifically to the Trek universe, Discovery, Picard, and whatever else is in the pipeline for the future. My second thought about The Orville is independent of that question, as The Orville doesn't fall under the Star Trek universe, so I didn't consider it under the premise of your original question.
As far as making the distinction of Trek/Not Trek regarding The Orville, it is something I say I should have not have said because it does something I dislike, it implies that whatever is "not Trek" or what have you is either bad or not enjoyable. I think thats too binary an outcome for discussing Trek, and that can make those discussions meaningless. But by saying that I fell into the same trap I would usually avoid. So yes, I do feel that was a mistake on my part, because despite my criticisms of it, I do enjoy it for the most part, and its a mistake to imply otherwise.
"Unless you want to argue that ST:P is more Trekkish then the Orville, which I think we'd both agree to be a ridiculous statement."
I won't argue this point, I'll only say I'll be there for both shows 2nd and 3rd seasons, respectively. :)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
"Everyone? No.
I most certainly ain't going to watch it. There are others here who already stated that they've dropped out mid-season and/or they won't be watching any further.
Besides, what kind of madness is declaring in advance that you'll watch something regardless of its content? That sounds awfully like a cult member speaking, rather than an intelligent consumer of entertainment."
Perhaps thats why I observed that you may have a line that has been crossed. But we'll see of course. Time and time again folks will say they won't watch anymore, only to return, if only to have their opinion heard.
"Why "manipulative"?
Seth McFarlane is a hard-core Trekkie. Did you know that he made a Trek fan-film when he was a teenager?
The Orville is a show created by a Trekkie for like-minded people. How on earth is that "manipulative"?"
You're right. Manipulative was a harsh choice of a description and perhaps an incorrect one. Yes, I know these things about Seth. I find that the show tugs on a lot of the strings of the nostalgia of 90's Trek, which is part of the draw, but I find it unoriginal. Again, thats not to say I don't enjoy it, because I have.
"DIdn't you just say that no kind of content will make you say "this isn't Star Trek"? Are you now telling me that THE ORVILLE, of all things, is the series that managed to be the exception that crossed that line?
Please direct me to where I made that statement. This is now twice you've done that.
"The Orville is a million times Trekkier than ST:P or Discovery. How can anybody say that the latter two shows are Star Trek while the Orville isn't? Sounds like a contradiction to me."
The contradiction there is fueled by your own statement, not mine.
Unless we are - once again - resorting to classifying shows by their name while ignoring their content?"
I probably should not have written that to be honest. The What is Trek argument isn't a particularly meaningful one. As I've said before, I do enjoy The Orville, and I guess in part because it does riff on so many of the Trek elements from the past, and at times does it well. Does that make it Trek? Perhaps its something I should reconsider.
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
"Everyone? No.
I most certainly ain't going to watch it. There are others here who already stated that they've dropped out mid-season and/or they won't be watching any further.
Besides, what kind of madness is declaring in advance that you'll watch something regardless of its content? That sounds awfully like a cult member speaking, rather than an intelligent consumer of entertainment."
Perhaps thats why I observed that you may have a line that has been crossed. But we'll see of course. Time and time again folks will say they won't watch anymore, only to return, if only to have their opinion heard.
"Why "manipulative"?
Seth McFarlane is a hard-core Trekkie. Did you know that he made a Trek fan-film when he was a teenager?
The Orville is a show created by a Trekkie for like-minded people. How on earth is that "manipulative"?"
You're right. Manipulative was a harsh choice of a description and perhaps an incorrect one. Yes, I know these things about Seth. I find that the show tugs on a lot of the strings of the nostalgia of 90's Trek, which is part of the draw, but I find it unoriginal. Again, thats not to say I don't enjoy it, because I have.
"DIdn't you just say that no kind of content will make you say "this isn't Star Trek"? Are you now telling me that THE ORVILLE, of all things, is the series that managed to be the exception that crossed that line?
Please direct me to where I made that statement. This is now twice you've done that.
"The Orville is a million times Trekkier than ST:P or Discovery. How can anybody say that the latter two shows are Star Trek while the Orville isn't? Sounds like a contradiction to me."
The contradiction there is fueled by your own statement, not mine.
Unless we are - once again - resorting to classifying shows by their name while ignoring their content?"
I probably should not have written that to be honest. The What is Trek argument isn't a particularly meaningful one. As I've said before, I do enjoy The Orville, and I guess in part because it does riff on so many of the Trek elements from the past, and at times does it well. Does that make it Trek? Perhaps its something I should reconsider.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
^^^
" And I enjoy it for the most part. But in my mind, thats not Star Trek either"
That should read " Its not Star Trek either"
^^^
" And I enjoy it for the most part. But in my mind, thats not Star Trek either"
That should read " Its not Star Trek either"
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Are there ANY circumstances at all, which will cause you to say "Nope. They've crossed the line this time. I cannot accept this as Star Trek"?
I'm seriously asking. And if your answer is "yes", then I'd love to hear a concrete example of what would cross that line in your view."
Interesting question. The best answer might be, I don't know. I never finished watching Voyager or Enterprise during their original runs (I finished them much later). But that was more due to personal taste and timing rather than crossing a line.
Does anyone have a line? Perhaps you do, but then, even amid all the criticism we all know everyone will be watching Discovery S3 and Picard S2 for whatever reason suits them.
As for writing for the show, I don't know how much freedom Kurtzman and CBS give them. Maybe I'm looking at it through the lens of the fanbase and not as a writer would. Consider that I watch Westworld, and in 2+ seasons I don't think I've read once that the writers are desecrating Michael Crichton's vision or what have you. And that show has its own issues at times. It just doesn't come with the kind of constraint that Trek does.
While people are talking about it, I find The Orville to be a manipulative derivative of 90's Trek. Its familiar, comfortable, and even smart at times. And I enjoy it for the most part. But in my mind, thats not Star Trek either.
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Are there ANY circumstances at all, which will cause you to say "Nope. They've crossed the line this time. I cannot accept this as Star Trek"?
I'm seriously asking. And if your answer is "yes", then I'd love to hear a concrete example of what would cross that line in your view."
Interesting question. The best answer might be, I don't know. I never finished watching Voyager or Enterprise during their original runs (I finished them much later). But that was more due to personal taste and timing rather than crossing a line.
Does anyone have a line? Perhaps you do, but then, even amid all the criticism we all know everyone will be watching Discovery S3 and Picard S2 for whatever reason suits them.
As for writing for the show, I don't know how much freedom Kurtzman and CBS give them. Maybe I'm looking at it through the lens of the fanbase and not as a writer would. Consider that I watch Westworld, and in 2+ seasons I don't think I've read once that the writers are desecrating Michael Crichton's vision or what have you. And that show has its own issues at times. It just doesn't come with the kind of constraint that Trek does.
While people are talking about it, I find The Orville to be a manipulative derivative of 90's Trek. Its familiar, comfortable, and even smart at times. And I enjoy it for the most part. But in my mind, thats not Star Trek either.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@Dom
"By contrast, BSG and Expanse - and Westworld and Altered Carbon etc - didn't have the benefit of a popular brand name like "Star Trek.""
I think you can argue thats actually a blessing for those shows. They have a little more freedom to take their show in certain directions if they choose, without the looming shadow of what came before.
Also, I rate TNG low, not because every episode is bad, but because I didn't find the cast any fun to watch at that point.
@Dom
"By contrast, BSG and Expanse - and Westworld and Altered Carbon etc - didn't have the benefit of a popular brand name like "Star Trek.""
I think you can argue thats actually a blessing for those shows. They have a little more freedom to take their show in certain directions if they choose, without the looming shadow of what came before.
Also, I rate TNG low, not because every episode is bad, but because I didn't find the cast any fun to watch at that point.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
Mine is similar to a couple others.
1) TOS
2) DS9
3) PIC
4) VOY
5) DSC
6) TNG
7) ENT
Mine is similar to a couple others.
1) TOS
2) DS9
3) PIC
4) VOY
5) DSC
6) TNG
7) ENT
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
Law & Order: Trials of Trek
There are supposedly two as of yet announced Trek shows... I do agree that some of the best episodes and scenes in Star Trek are of the trial variety (Undiscovered Country is my personal favorite), I just am not sure in another 10 episode season if I want to see a full episode dedicated to the Trial of Agnes.
I think Raffi/7 makes sense for the characters involved (including Elnor, who was raised by women), but doesn't make sense from just what we were shown.
I also felt that there was a passage of time between Picards death and resurrection in the golem. I don't think it happened right away, but that also could be my headcanon. Soong had finished the golem, but Agnes would have had to oversee the mind transfer, which im assuming isn't a quick turnaround.
Law & Order: Trials of Trek
There are supposedly two as of yet announced Trek shows... I do agree that some of the best episodes and scenes in Star Trek are of the trial variety (Undiscovered Country is my personal favorite), I just am not sure in another 10 episode season if I want to see a full episode dedicated to the Trial of Agnes.
I think Raffi/7 makes sense for the characters involved (including Elnor, who was raised by women), but doesn't make sense from just what we were shown.
I also felt that there was a passage of time between Picards death and resurrection in the golem. I don't think it happened right away, but that also could be my headcanon. Soong had finished the golem, but Agnes would have had to oversee the mind transfer, which im assuming isn't a quick turnaround.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
Commodore Oh putting a mental block on Jurati regarding the vision she showed her in the meld is in the story, which is why she didn't seek any outside help. Whether thats a satisfactory or reasonable explanation, ymmv.
"Why are they not at places that matter more to respective government policy?"
I thought being accepted to The Daystrom Institute would be the perfect place to infiltrate Starfleet.
Commodore Oh putting a mental block on Jurati regarding the vision she showed her in the meld is in the story, which is why she didn't seek any outside help. Whether thats a satisfactory or reasonable explanation, ymmv.
"Why are they not at places that matter more to respective government policy?"
I thought being accepted to The Daystrom Institute would be the perfect place to infiltrate Starfleet.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
If you were to pare down to just the 1st 10 episodes of each respective series 1st season of Trek, I think only TOS might have any in the top 30.
If you were to pare down to just the 1st 10 episodes of each respective series 1st season of Trek, I think only TOS might have any in the top 30.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
"So you are telling me that we should shut up and support this sh*t just because it has "Star Trek" in its title?"
I never wrote nor implied this.
No sir. I refuse to be manipulated in this manner. And I gotta say that it's quite amazing how many Classic Trek fans are falling for this cheap marketing trick. Seriously, guys. What's the matter with you? "
I don't get cynical and angry about things I have no control over. I'd say in Trek tradition, I feel fine.
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
"So you are telling me that we should shut up and support this sh*t just because it has "Star Trek" in its title?"
I never wrote nor implied this.
No sir. I refuse to be manipulated in this manner. And I gotta say that it's quite amazing how many Classic Trek fans are falling for this cheap marketing trick. Seriously, guys. What's the matter with you? "
I don't get cynical and angry about things I have no control over. I'd say in Trek tradition, I feel fine.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
I knew Isa Briones sang the cover of "Blue Skies", I just never thought of it that way.
Awesome.
I knew Isa Briones sang the cover of "Blue Skies", I just never thought of it that way.
Awesome.
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