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Tomalak
Sun, May 2, 2021, 1:17am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Defector

I think his performance enhanced his credibility - not just to the viewer but to the crew in show, too. It was a tense situation and he was also making a huge personal sacrifice in order to prevent war. Even if it worked and he prevented war, he must have realised he would probably never see his friends or family again. That would make anyone a bit on edge.

Jarok/Setal wasn't meant to be the Romulan version of Gandhi: he was a military hero (important as well as self-important!) who clearly believed in his empire and himself - but thought a war would be horrific. He was more of a von Stauffenberg type, trying to prevent his own side edging towards disaster.
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Tomalak
Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 4:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Tapestry

Please ignore the troll and discuss the Star Trek episode.
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Tomalak
Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 8:39am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Tapestry

It is an interesting point, though, how reasonable that attitude is given the pyramid structure of Starfleet. Yes, the alt-Picard is in an entry level role in his 60s, which is an extreme case, but on every starship we see very few top roles.

Let's say for the sake of argument that everyone with the title Lt Commander or higher is senior. On the whole Enterprise-D that would be less than 1% of the crew!

Everyone else is middle management or entry level. That is one hell of a bottom-heavy career ladder. What actually happens to all those frustrated Lieutenants who never get promoted further? Yes, some of them can maybe become Lt Commander on a lesser Starship - but that just means another frustrated Lt not promoted on that lesser ship.

I know there is no actual money involved but Bernie Sanders-style 1% arguments still come to mind!
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Tomalak
Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 8:17am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Tapestry

Some good discussion of Picard. I suppose one point you can make is that if you sign up to Starfleet - to spending decades on various Starfleet vessels - you are prioritising work massively. Your only social contact most of the time will be with work colleagues, you go where the captain or admirals decide, and you are at much greater risk of death than most people on Earth. So if your career then still goes nowhere, it says a lot more than if you decide to be a part time bartender while raising a family or whatever.

So maybe it's not that he looks down on anyone who doesn't make bridge officer. But he does think making those kind of sacrifices only to end up a Lt Jr grade in ones 60s is a pretty poor return on investment? Imagine living in a remote mountain range for decades in order to be a great writer and never finishing writing a single book.
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Tomalak
Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 5:57am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Brothers

If you want to be really harsh, I don't think one of the 7s and the "Lock" were perfectly synchronised:

1-7-3-4-6-7-3-2-1-4-7-6-Charlie-3-2-7-8-9-7-7-7-6-4-3-Tango-7-3-2-Victor-7-3-1-1-7-8-8-8-*7*-3-2-4-7-6-7-8-9-7-6-4-3-7-6-*LOCK*
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Tomalak
Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 12:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

Agreed - as I said, I think it's a very weak point without further explanation. The scripts seem clear about it, though, for better or worse. The argument that is also made that parents would feel obliged to compete and where would it end seems much stronger.
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Tomalak
Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 6:41am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Cardassians

"It's the 24th century and in TNG 3x12 “The High Ground” @24:40 Data mentions the Irish unification of 2024 as an example of terrorism being successful. So I guess Ireland is one country by then."

LOL! I guess there is still a little more time...
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Tomalak
Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 6:36am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

"There is nothing in any Trek episode that seriously suggests that genetic enhancement actually makes people ambitious"

Space Seed:
KIRK: This Khan is not what I expected of a twentieth century man.
SPOCK: I note he's making considerable use of our technical library.
KIRK: Common courtesy, Mister Spock. He'll spend the rest of his days in our time. It's only decent to help him catch up. Would you estimate him to be a product of selective breeding?
SPOCK: There is that possibility, Captain. His age would be correct. In 1993, a group of these young supermen did seize power simultaneously in over forty nations.
KIRK: Well, they were hardly supermen. They were aggressive, arrogant. They began to battle among themselves.
SPOCK: Because the scientists overlooked one fact. Superior ability breeds superior ambition.
KIRK: Interesting, if true. They created a group of Alexanders, Napoleons.

Dr Bashir, I Presume:
RICHARD: I'm going to prison.
BASHIR: What?
RICHARD: Two years. It's a minimum security penal colony in New Zealand.
BASHIR: You can't do this.
BENNETT: It was your father's suggestion, Doctor. He pleads guilty to illegal genetic engineering and in exchange you stay in the service.
BASHIR: Well, I want no part of it. I'm not going to just stand by while my father
RICHARD: Jules. Julian. Listen to me. This is my decision. I'm the one who took you to Adigeon Prime. I'm the one who should take responsibility for it.
AMSHA: Let him do this, Julian.
BASHIR: Two years? Isn't that a bit harsh?
BENNETT: I don't think so. Two hundred years ago we tried to improve the species through DNA resequencing, and what did we get for our trouble? The Eugenics Wars. For every Julian Bashir that can be created, there's a Khan Singh waiting in the wings. A superhuman whose ambition and thirst for power have been enhanced along with his intellect.
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Tomalak
Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 4:21am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

"Just keep in mind that around 2% are Psychopath/Sociopath and 15% have psychopathic tendencies. Now combine that with mega intelligence and you have khan."

That seems believable but it obviously contradicts Spock in Space Seed and the Admiral in this episode, who both say that the genetic engineering itself caused Khan's level of super ambition.
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Tomalak
Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 5:24am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: For the Uniform

"Let's face it, the writers goofed with this episode. It happens."

Can you explain why? Why is an error by Sisko - assuming for the sake of argument that this is what it was - an error by the writers? Why can't they write characters who goof without being judged to have themselves goofed?
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Tomalak
Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 4:35am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Children of Time

Nolan, the link is all about a coherent scenario in which there are no "changes" to the timeline. This episode, and Star Trek generally, don't really address that. Their model is essentially one in which someone all of a sudden changes the present by going back in time and everything is suddenly different - which makes no sense if you think about it as the changes already had centuries to bed in.
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Tomalak
Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 4:07am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Children of Time

Great post, Sigh2000. I think every single Star Trek time travel episode or film has made this error. It would be pretty boring if it didn't, but it is an error.

We can't know if time travel will ever be invented, but we can know that we are already living, in 2021, with the consequences of any time travel to a time prior to 2021. It's built in already. The Star Trek format seems to be that the guy in the 23rd/24th century who stumbles on the time travel device, goes back to, say, 1940, and then hundreds of years later the consequences of this actually happen all at once.
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Tomalak
Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 5:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

The argument that you don't want mass genetic engineering because the minute one parent enhances their kid everyone feels obliged - and where does that end? - seems strong.

But the argument that it clearly leads to some kind of ambition to be a global dictator seems very weak. After all, the argument isn't simply that they were ambitious and therefore joined their local school board and Rotary Club, worked hard and used their abilities to prove themselves to voters and get elected to political office. No one would find that a very dystopian scenario. It's that there is an inevitable threat of a coup and dictatorship - which seems a bit of a stretch without further explanation.
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Tomalak
Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 7:25am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: For the Uniform

I DON'T think there is any such unwritten rule, sorry.
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Tomalak
Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 7:25am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: For the Uniform

"It is a sad fact that there is a ready supply of humans who were, are, and will be war criminals. *No shock*."

Yes! Can you be a war criminal if no one dies? But agreed what he did was very naughty.

It's just the assumption the writers screwed up if they portray Sisko doing something unacceptable that I disagree with. Criticise fictional characters all you like, but I think there is any unwritten rule saying the writers are to be held responsible for not portraying their characters as flawless. I think the writers did a good job with this episode.
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Tomalak
Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: For the Uniform

I don't think this episode reflects poorly on the writers at all. It was a great fun show and what Sisko did, while probably wrong, was built up to on a realistic and believable way. He's human *shock*.

As with Keiko being whiney, the fact he got this one wrong (arguably) doesn't make the writers bad writers - it just means they wrote a flawed character.
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Tomalak
Fri, Apr 2, 2021, 9:19am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Masterpiece Society

The Iraq War obvs went terribly but calling it genocide or ethnic cleansing renders the term meaningless.

"The same is true for any major European power"

Genocide and ethnic cleansing by Britain? France? The Netherlands? Italy? All were major European powers, with the arguable exception of Italy.
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Tomalak
Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 4:45am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

It would be quite cool to see the culture again in ST: Picard, all those years later.

They're now a gentle farming folk society, the leader's son is now a Professor of Mathematics etc.
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Tomalak
Mon, Mar 29, 2021, 4:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: The Forsaken

It wasn't funny the first time.
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Tomalak
Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 7:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Fury

Beautiful woman and a solid actress. To be honest I found Kes a boring character but that's no fault of the actress, who was also good in other things.

Her psychosis or whatever it is is tragic.
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Tomalak
Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 7:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Ex Post Facto

The aliens aren't speaking in English. But as long as a concept can be put into words (a numerical distance or the concept of a monogamous relationship would obviously qualify), the universal translator translates into their language and back. Look it up on Memory Alpha.
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Tomalak
Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 3:34pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: A Matter of Perspective

Wow, way to miss the point. Obviously his wife was a stone cold liar. If false rape accusations aren't something you can handle in Star Trek, you really are going to struggle to cope with the death and torture scenes.
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Tomalak
Thu, Mar 18, 2021, 3:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Fascination

That sounds about right. I think trying to ban Miles from his son's birth because Shakaar was being a dick to Miles went well beyond "slightly" - but she was giving birth at the time so can be forgiven taking leave of her senses. In general, she's far more a dreary character than a harridan - but that's realistic. I think their marriage is maybe more realistic than any other on Star Trek?
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Tomalak
Thu, Mar 18, 2021, 11:46am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Fascination

I don't think Keiko comes across as a very likeable or fun person to be around or to be married to, but that's actually realistic. Not everyone is either as fun and likeable as, say, Miles or as villainous as Dukat and it's likely that will still be true in 400 years.

I think a lot of marriages are like theirs, and it's certainly more watchable than either constant adultery or marital bliss would be.

I think where people go wrong is not so much criticising a character as when they imply the writers have screwed up if they write a flawed, unlikeable character.
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Atomguy
Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 8:09am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Insurrection

Honestly I think it depends on how long you were immortal for; at some point you'd probably grow suicidal looking at how much longer you have to live, and at other parts you don't want to give up that same immortality. But that's just me
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