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Tomalak
Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 1:09am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Begotten

"But I agree, to hell with Shakaar. He's not particularly good at his own job, it seems... Yet he barges in and tells O'Brien he can't even witness his own baby being born"

Yes, so many problems with the B plot. But the most glaring was that it only worked at all because Shakaar temporarily lost 50 IQ points for an episode, started acting bizarrely, and then unbelievably all the women - even Keiko - decided Miles was equally to blame for wanting to witness his baby's birth in the face of TempMoron-Shakaar's protests. It was like the writers didn't even try to make their own script make sense.
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Tomas
Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 2:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Code of Honor

I hope the new Picard series revisits this episode. It would be interesting to see how this society has progressed since the 1980s.
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Tomalak
Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 4:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: The Adversary

"I think what annoyed me most is that this is, to my memory at least, the third outing where the Defiant gets sabotaged mid voyage. It's become quite a tedious trope"

I'm pretty sure it's only the second time, and the other was Eddington doing it in very different circumstances to obey orders. What was the third?
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Tomalak
Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 12:23am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Facets

I found the scenes where you actually see the memories of past lives transferred to the senior staff absurdly hokey. The man says a few words in Trill like he's reading a spell, while standing around an apparently superfluous fire pit. Then we see a big blue soul just move physically from Jadzia to the trill guy to envelop the head of Kira or Odo or whoever. Isn't this meant to be sci fi not Harry Potter?
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Tomalak
Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 12:56pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Facets

"When Quark refuses to take part she gives him the Ferengi equivalent of a hand-job and plays on her knowledge of his romantic feelings toward her in order to get something she wants out of him. If that isn't manipulative and highly egotistical I don't know what is."

I think we're supposed to be relaxed because it's Quark. It's arguably a weakness of DS9 generally that its senior staff treat Quark the way they do - most often it's just unprovoked rudeness. The idea of professionalism being not necessarily liking everyone you work with but at least being reasonably pleasant is a lesson Sisko's team (usually highly professional people) have yet to learn.
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TheTomato
Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 8:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Ship

This episode would have been so much better if the Jem Hadar captured the crew on the roundabout and the Vorta tried to use them as a bargaining chip. Sisko doesn't trust them but at least the pretense of the negotiations could exist. Then the founder dies and Jem Hadar blows up their ship or something with the roundabout crew still aboard. Because as the episode stands Sisko did literally nothing wrong. Why would he trust the word of person who ordered the destruction of his ship and crew and then tried to gun him down? Why would he feel responsible for their deaths if his decisions didn't impact events in any way? I understand you can't help feel responsible for deaths under you command but that ending part with Dax was so hamfisted considering.

The thing with Worf, they should have went with "put him out of his misery" angle or something. Because that was so stupid. Why does Worf care about a human's honor? It's not like he doesn't understand humans by this point. Was the point that things where so intense that Worf couldn't keep his cool? Isn't Worf supposed to be a badass? Why can't Worf keep his cool and show some character development as an CO? It would be nice change of pace if he was the one who kept the rest of crew on point for once. But no, he's Worf, destined to fuck up every other episode.
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Tom
Thu, May 23, 2019, 10:56pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Nemesis

Both the gray topped uniforms and the monochrome tops are consistent across the futures of most of the series (alternate or not) and were even used by the Enterprise crew in the movies so I can't see a reason for not using them.
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Tom
Thu, May 23, 2019, 5:12pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Nemesis

Wouldn't the uniforms be what we saw on All Good Things? Picard certainly looks older in the trailer than he did there.
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Tomalak
Thu, May 2, 2019, 6:46am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

No, it's not trolling - I stand by my summary. It was actually you who was unwilling to engage. People made reasonable points in response to your accusations, and rather than respond you simply defined every single counter-argument they made as some kind of bad faith manoeuvre that further implicated them in their guilt. There is all the difference in the world between asking you to substantiate strong claims rather than just take them on faith on the one hand, and saying "If I don’t see the problem, it must not exist."

After reading the above, I don't understand how anyone could even disagree with your view that critics of Burnham are motivated by racism, misogyny and so on without you taking it as further proof that critics of Burnham are motivated by racism and misogyny.
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Tomalak
Wed, May 1, 2019, 2:41am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

If anyone doesn't have time to read all 200 comments, here's a short version.

Axiom: I can't believe all the reactionary misogyny around here - no one would criticise a white male character the way they attack Burnham.
Kinematic: Well, these critics tend to love DS9 with its black captain, but I'll bite... Wesley Crusher?
Axiom: OMG! What a bad faith gaslighting intellectual sin! Deeply problematic. I can't continue this discussion unless you are willing to respond in good faith.
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SovietOmega
Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 9:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

I cringe at things like going into an event horizon "not even light can escape!" they proclaim, with not a moments thought as to WHY light can not escape, but magic space ships can just zip around like it was just a cgi black hole.

Still, for all the many inaccuracies and plot conveniences for time's sake, the episode had a great flow to it with each location following a logical progression. It had the right 'feel' to it, without sweating all the small details like 'logic' or 'physics'.

I'm not sure I'd even call it a good episode, but it was a fun ride and a nice way to end the season. If nothing else a cool little followup to the events of the prior episode.
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Tomalak
Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 8:46am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

I found this one really boring. Just a long wait for the ending we all knew was coming as soon as Kelly appeared at the beginning. I'm glad others got something out of it as I didn't.
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Tomalak
Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 8:16am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow

@SlackerInc, given it already happened thousands of years before you were born why would it change anything? As I say, you seem to imagine there is some kind of conscious time line who reacts angrily to interfering time travellers by splitting in two. I'm fact, the timeline would be blissfully unaware and any time travel in the past would not change the time line because it already happened that way.
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Tomalak
Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 2:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow

Gerontius, yes, I agree!

Perhaps I may regret this when my younger self starts dating my (currently hypothetical) ex-wife, but I can't see why I have any ownership over my exes OR my time travelling younger selves if the two want to hook up. I can see how the power might be convenient for me, but I can't see why it would be ethical for me to have it in the first place.

Again, sorry if I just missed the class in school where we are all told why this is wrong, but I am still oblivious.
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Tomalak
Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 8:03am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow

By the way, there was a pretty good time travel detective drama, Crime Traveller, which explored time travel in a way that made logical sense. Each episode the main characters went back in time to solve a crime. But nothing they did changed the "present" as whatever they did had already happened previously in the present that they left.
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Tomalak
Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 7:56am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow

@Trashbarg, I must have missed the lesson in class/church where the code of ethics for dating a time travelling younger version of a past lover is laid out because I don't find your conclusions nearly as obvious as you do. In particular, I can't see why Kelly-1's views on who Kelly-2 dates should trump Kelly-2's views (either directly or indirectly through making Mercer feel guilty about it)?

@Slacker I agree with Boomer that the theory sounds like "absolute nonsense". I also don't think it does anything to make sense of time travel - unless by make sense you mean solve basic plot errors that the creators may or may not have made? Creators who we have no reason to think are writing the show with this near infinite alternative universes theory in mind.
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Tomalak
Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 1:57am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow

@Gerontius, yes, I totally agree. How many times did Star Trek rehash the same shuttle crash, trapped in a holding cell or holodeck gone wrong scenario, to name just three tropes off the top of my head? Anyone comparing the Orville to Star Trek on the basis that the latter only used original concepts and plots hasn't watched much Star Trek, and isn't being fair to the Orville.

"I thought Ed was going to ask Kelly her opinion of him dating her younger self, not give her a "if not you, then it'll be her" statement (paraphrase). That felt weird."

Yes, I think this was an attempt to be woke and feminist by McFarlane, but very unrealistic. I have yet to meet a man who would give first dibs to a 35 year old who cheated on him over a 28 year old who didn't, all other things being equal (which of course they are in this case!). Maybe the idea is he knew what the answer would be so could use her refusal to justify pursuing the better option.

"the first face-off of Kelly and Kelly and them circling around each other (with what is supposedly an eerie score) falls flat"

Yes, very badly done. I can get a sense of wariness, but I struggle to believe someone's response in that kind of scenario is to walk like a crab in a perfect enlarged semi-circle and then end up facing 180 degrees from where they started. The way the cameras showed their feet doing it made it much more noticeable.
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Tomalak
Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 1:41am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow

@SlackerInc "What a twist at the end. I guess she was wrong and she's actually creating divergent timelines (which is the only way time travel makes sense IMO)."

So there are now two parallel timelines? Triggered by what? Does 'the time line' somehow consciously knows it has been interfered with by time travellers and reacts by splitting in two?? Or are you saying every time alternative outcomes come into play there are new universes? In which case there was already a divergent time line in which Kelly and Ed only went on a single date, and time travel did not change this. Either way, I am not clear on how this makes sense of time travel.

I think the only way it can make sense is if any actions we see time travellers take in the past already happened, and therefore can change nothing in the present. Obvs that would make for boring Sci Fi though, so there are efforts to present a paradox that isn't really there. I am happy to suspend disbelief for the sake of enjoying fiction but I don't think there is a paradox in reality.
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SovietOmega
Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 1:51am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

I can see it now...

"Golly, the future is a strange place full of diplomacy and politics, and here we are stuck without a captain."

"Hey, maybe that perverted hobo we rescued from a shipwreck can tell us where to find one if we can get him to stop talking about grey tea!"

And so begins Star Trek Discovery Season 3: The Picard Show
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Tom R
Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 12:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@Alan Roi

I want to self combust every time I see Burnham cry. Which is like every episode.
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Tomalak
Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 6:05am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

I really liked how they tied this in to Mercer's prophetic comment about how Moclan society is so different that he wonders how much they can really get along. At the time I thought "Hmm well as long as they keep their strange laws to their own planet it shouldn't become a diplomatic issue". This episode answered that.

On Sirtis, she was heavily billed on social media - and then barely got a line this episode. Disappointing, really. Why bother promoting that? I hope she is back again.
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Tom R
Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 3:17am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@Alan Roi

You’re confusing complex with nonsensical (all over the place). I’ve read Bleak House by Dickens before. I can Follow complicated plots just fine. Do you work for CBS?
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Tom R
Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 2:02am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@Alan Roi

? What

Post 1950-sci fi storytelling? What are you talking about? The show is a convoluted mess and your obvious attachment to it is odd.
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Tommy D.
Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 1:44am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

I have to agree with Mertov. Thought the episode was going well but lost some steam in the middle with some its heavy handedness. Still, I'm very interested in how this gets wrapped up.
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SovietOmega
Sat, Apr 6, 2019, 11:03pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

It took me until this episode to realize just how strongly this show resembles the Mass Effect game franchise both in theme and structure, just with a Star Trek coat of paint. The moment it clicked for me was the boss battle against Control while wearing EV suits. Looking back, the last few episodes have been rife with parallels. Or at least, it certainly seems that way to me; I'd like to find any confirmation on influences by the folks making the show happen.
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