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Re: VOY S6: Alice
I can only say that if I were in Tom Paris' place and the female pilot manifested itself as Grace Park I would have done anything, went anywhere, she asked!
Miss Battlestar Galactica........All those Number eights!
I can only say that if I were in Tom Paris' place and the female pilot manifested itself as Grace Park I would have done anything, went anywhere, she asked!
Miss Battlestar Galactica........All those Number eights!
Re: VOY S6: Muse
To be or not to be!
@Ken Egervari (very belatedly)
If I may address one of your concerns of why Voyager goes-a-exploring along the way, I have a real life example about the famous BOUNTY vessel, in which Fletcher Christian led a mutiny and Put Captain Bligh and twenty of his crew adrift in a 21 foot launch in the Pacific ocean. Too long to relate the entire story here of course, but Bligh managed to sail in that little open boat over 3600 miles to safety with the loss of just ONE man! The point here is that in spite of the sheer terror of their predicament, Bligh still drew maps, charted islands, studied and recorded new plant and animal species, measured coastlines, etc.
You see....he was a commander but also a professional...a scientist. This type of professionalism was and is today expected conduct of the true professional. Contrast that with Captain Edwards....the man charged with bringing in the mutineers.... Edwards just sailed to and from the island of Tahiti (near where the Mutiny took place) without so much as a look out his cabin window....and lost his ship to boot!
This episode is interesting, but for my personal reflections it was marred by having one of my least favorite characters in Torres.
In a way, after reading through the past comments I wonder if even some of the most serious detractors of this show might have all written more favorable reviews if they had known what was in store for the future of this great show. After Voyager and then Enterprise, there was the drought and then this travesty of an imitation called ST Discovery (my apologies to those that may like this show). For me, I have the rest of the series (VOYAGER) to view for the wonderfully first time!! So even if there is a less than great episode I will probably rate it as a work of a modern Shakespeare!
To be or not to be!
@Ken Egervari (very belatedly)
If I may address one of your concerns of why Voyager goes-a-exploring along the way, I have a real life example about the famous BOUNTY vessel, in which Fletcher Christian led a mutiny and Put Captain Bligh and twenty of his crew adrift in a 21 foot launch in the Pacific ocean. Too long to relate the entire story here of course, but Bligh managed to sail in that little open boat over 3600 miles to safety with the loss of just ONE man! The point here is that in spite of the sheer terror of their predicament, Bligh still drew maps, charted islands, studied and recorded new plant and animal species, measured coastlines, etc.
You see....he was a commander but also a professional...a scientist. This type of professionalism was and is today expected conduct of the true professional. Contrast that with Captain Edwards....the man charged with bringing in the mutineers.... Edwards just sailed to and from the island of Tahiti (near where the Mutiny took place) without so much as a look out his cabin window....and lost his ship to boot!
This episode is interesting, but for my personal reflections it was marred by having one of my least favorite characters in Torres.
In a way, after reading through the past comments I wonder if even some of the most serious detractors of this show might have all written more favorable reviews if they had known what was in store for the future of this great show. After Voyager and then Enterprise, there was the drought and then this travesty of an imitation called ST Discovery (my apologies to those that may like this show). For me, I have the rest of the series (VOYAGER) to view for the wonderfully first time!! So even if there is a less than great episode I will probably rate it as a work of a modern Shakespeare!
Re: VOY S6: Live Fast and Prosper
I'm with Chris P (although years belatedly lol) in that Voyager got their butt kicked in an episode that built it's plot with the premise that Voyager had the superior ship.
Then again, I would say that no other version of Star Trek....had their ship's butt handed to them more often than Voyager did.
I'm with Chris P (although years belatedly lol) in that Voyager got their butt kicked in an episode that built it's plot with the premise that Voyager had the superior ship.
Then again, I would say that no other version of Star Trek....had their ship's butt handed to them more often than Voyager did.
Re: VOY S6: Spirit Folk
@ Booming
That was hilarious!!
Yet I try to remember that as a whole, The Star Trek franchise, at it's worst is better than many programs on TV nowadays. Thank you for your post!
@ Booming
That was hilarious!!
Yet I try to remember that as a whole, The Star Trek franchise, at it's worst is better than many programs on TV nowadays. Thank you for your post!
Re: VOY S6: Spirit Folk
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thank you for the advice. It sounds interesting and I will look forward to exploring this hopeful option!!
@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thank you for the advice. It sounds interesting and I will look forward to exploring this hopeful option!!
Re: VOY S6: Spirit Folk
Ever since Far point I believed that the holo-deck technology was too advanced even in the warp-drive age. It seems too imbalanced (especially looking backward to all the impossible scenarios that occurred). In this regard it seemed closer to a fantasy element than a science fiction one. Many good stories were written with it but a lot of times you had to stretch your patience and credibility and look the other way. A lot of times in Star Trek the ship (in any series) would run into the vastly superior, smarter, or more evolved race. Buy hey!....we got this holo-deck stuff that can bring people to self awareness and we can make weapons out of thin air....just for starters! Now that is superior!
I like all the Star Treks, but I have a fonder appreciation for TOS and ENTERPRISE maybe because they had to deal with the dangers more by the seat of their pants in many ways. But I do love Voyager.
Sadly, I am midway through S-6 and getting closer to the end of the last virgin- viewing episodes of Star Trek as I have known it. I think I will start stretching them out...like a child making the candy last. Alas! I would apologize for the rambling post but then....I smile to myself and realize at this late date no one should mind.
Ever since Far point I believed that the holo-deck technology was too advanced even in the warp-drive age. It seems too imbalanced (especially looking backward to all the impossible scenarios that occurred). In this regard it seemed closer to a fantasy element than a science fiction one. Many good stories were written with it but a lot of times you had to stretch your patience and credibility and look the other way. A lot of times in Star Trek the ship (in any series) would run into the vastly superior, smarter, or more evolved race. Buy hey!....we got this holo-deck stuff that can bring people to self awareness and we can make weapons out of thin air....just for starters! Now that is superior!
I like all the Star Treks, but I have a fonder appreciation for TOS and ENTERPRISE maybe because they had to deal with the dangers more by the seat of their pants in many ways. But I do love Voyager.
Sadly, I am midway through S-6 and getting closer to the end of the last virgin- viewing episodes of Star Trek as I have known it. I think I will start stretching them out...like a child making the candy last. Alas! I would apologize for the rambling post but then....I smile to myself and realize at this late date no one should mind.
Re: VOY S6: Memorial
So Janeway allows brain-rape to continue. How wrong-headed can she get.
I love Voyager but this misguided decision should be a court martial offense.
So Janeway allows brain-rape to continue. How wrong-headed can she get.
I love Voyager but this misguided decision should be a court martial offense.
Re: VOY S6: Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy
Just one more thing....
This episode may win the prize for the worst looking bad-guy aliens.
They looked comparable to some 1960's episodes of Doctor Who.
Just one more thing....
This episode may win the prize for the worst looking bad-guy aliens.
They looked comparable to some 1960's episodes of Doctor Who.
Re: VOY S6: Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy
I loved this episode! Actually, any of the Doctor centric episodes are a hit with me, and this one had so many hilarious moments in it. Clearly, Seven and the Doctor are two of the best characters in all Star Trek!
I loved this episode! Actually, any of the Doctor centric episodes are a hit with me, and this one had so many hilarious moments in it. Clearly, Seven and the Doctor are two of the best characters in all Star Trek!
Re: VOY S6: Survival Instinct
It struck me....that I agree with one of the commenters above (EP) I believe, about B'elanna's rudeness. Allow me to expand EP's comment in proposing the difference between Seven of nine's personality and B'elanna's. Seven's personality is a product of a lifetime pursuit and implementation of scientific knowledge, logic, and perfection. when she was freed of the Borg she was liberated from dronedom but still retained the framework of the ideals and attitude-dna of what the Borg imparted to her....minus the character flaws, capriciousness, and pettiness warts of normal humans. She had to learn all over from scratch on how to be a human again. If her personality puts off people it is due to her encyclopiedic well to draw on....not the hang ups of an insecure snob.
In very short time Seven is making great strides in finding her human abilities to show feeling and compassion.
Unfortunately, while B'elanna is an excellent engineer, she remarkably seems to go out of her way to be a certified bitch. And look at all the practice she has at being human (well, at least humanoid..she is half Klingon) compared to the fetching Seven.
It struck me....that I agree with one of the commenters above (EP) I believe, about B'elanna's rudeness. Allow me to expand EP's comment in proposing the difference between Seven of nine's personality and B'elanna's. Seven's personality is a product of a lifetime pursuit and implementation of scientific knowledge, logic, and perfection. when she was freed of the Borg she was liberated from dronedom but still retained the framework of the ideals and attitude-dna of what the Borg imparted to her....minus the character flaws, capriciousness, and pettiness warts of normal humans. She had to learn all over from scratch on how to be a human again. If her personality puts off people it is due to her encyclopiedic well to draw on....not the hang ups of an insecure snob.
In very short time Seven is making great strides in finding her human abilities to show feeling and compassion.
Unfortunately, while B'elanna is an excellent engineer, she remarkably seems to go out of her way to be a certified bitch. And look at all the practice she has at being human (well, at least humanoid..she is half Klingon) compared to the fetching Seven.
Re: VOY S6: Equinox, Part II
Captain Ahab.
Well, not as deep-rooted as that. But Janeway continues to puzzle me. Perhaps her nickname should be "The Curious Captain". Curious because her behavior is not consistent. For example Kirk and Picard had different approaches to their MO's but at least they had consistencies in their overall tendencies. Examples of her actions thus far, need not be repeated as all you commenters have covered it. Here, she goes all Ahab and hell-bent like the wrath of Kahn and even demotes Chakotay. In a way, it was a behavior reversal from what the Janeway/Chakotay duo would have acted like (or expected to act like) in the very beginning of the series. But you know, maybe by either accident or design, it may make Janeway more interesting....certainly more unique.
This episode had the usual head scratching moments and bad science, but what an exciting episode! I was head over heels (still am) with Grace Park in Battlestar Galactica. And now Seven of Nine graces (pun intended) Voyager.
Lots of respect for Chakotay in this one.
Captain Ahab.
Well, not as deep-rooted as that. But Janeway continues to puzzle me. Perhaps her nickname should be "The Curious Captain". Curious because her behavior is not consistent. For example Kirk and Picard had different approaches to their MO's but at least they had consistencies in their overall tendencies. Examples of her actions thus far, need not be repeated as all you commenters have covered it. Here, she goes all Ahab and hell-bent like the wrath of Kahn and even demotes Chakotay. In a way, it was a behavior reversal from what the Janeway/Chakotay duo would have acted like (or expected to act like) in the very beginning of the series. But you know, maybe by either accident or design, it may make Janeway more interesting....certainly more unique.
This episode had the usual head scratching moments and bad science, but what an exciting episode! I was head over heels (still am) with Grace Park in Battlestar Galactica. And now Seven of Nine graces (pun intended) Voyager.
Lots of respect for Chakotay in this one.
Re: VOY S5: Warhead
Apples are real life and oranges are fiction.
The above is what I always try to remember when watching any fiction tv show.
This episode clearly demonstrates what a sane captain would not do in a real-life situation. Firstly, Kim would not have the authority to make the call on anything as important as changing course of the ship. He is there only to pilot the ship and be a watchdog so the brass can rest. Real Captains train their subordinates to wake them in any important decision making.
Second, no captain in their right mind would be idiot enough to beam up a bomb of mass destruction, especially an alien one that they knew almost nothing about.
The safety of the crew and ship always comes first unless you are trying to defend your homes or allies in a war, etc.
Third. do you leave the decision to Kim?!! is this a democratic command? I am still scratching my head on this one. It is not of course, a big deal because shows like these are really about entertainment. However, as much as I try to give the writers a certain poetic license to make things work in a fifty minute episode, This one truly could have used just a little more believability. Still....a very entertaining episode!
Apples are real life and oranges are fiction.
The above is what I always try to remember when watching any fiction tv show.
This episode clearly demonstrates what a sane captain would not do in a real-life situation. Firstly, Kim would not have the authority to make the call on anything as important as changing course of the ship. He is there only to pilot the ship and be a watchdog so the brass can rest. Real Captains train their subordinates to wake them in any important decision making.
Second, no captain in their right mind would be idiot enough to beam up a bomb of mass destruction, especially an alien one that they knew almost nothing about.
The safety of the crew and ship always comes first unless you are trying to defend your homes or allies in a war, etc.
Third. do you leave the decision to Kim?!! is this a democratic command? I am still scratching my head on this one. It is not of course, a big deal because shows like these are really about entertainment. However, as much as I try to give the writers a certain poetic license to make things work in a fifty minute episode, This one truly could have used just a little more believability. Still....a very entertaining episode!
Re: VOY S5: 11:59
I am ashamed to say that this episode was so boring I stopped watching after the fender bender. I am usually easy on the Star Treks but there is an exception to every rule I suppose. Maybe the episode was decent and maybe I will actually finish it someday but I had I boredom meltdown here.
I am ashamed to say that this episode was so boring I stopped watching after the fender bender. I am usually easy on the Star Treks but there is an exception to every rule I suppose. Maybe the episode was decent and maybe I will actually finish it someday but I had I boredom meltdown here.
Re: VOY S5: Someone to Watch Over Me
Seven and the doctor's incredible duet "You are my Sunshine" is all that is necessary (to me) to add to the comments thus written.
One of the most beautiful women in the world and one of the most beloved people in Star Trek stole the show singing for about one minute!
They were simply put....Outstanding!
Jeri Ryan lifts everyone near her....can make a mediocre song sound like Beethoven, she make's everything lovely!
Seven and the doctor's incredible duet "You are my Sunshine" is all that is necessary (to me) to add to the comments thus written.
One of the most beautiful women in the world and one of the most beloved people in Star Trek stole the show singing for about one minute!
They were simply put....Outstanding!
Jeri Ryan lifts everyone near her....can make a mediocre song sound like Beethoven, she make's everything lovely!
Re: VOY S5: Juggernaut
I think Jeri Ryan was one of the sexiest, most attractive , and interesting characters of all the Star Treks. And that is among many other gorgeous actresses/candidates who played in Star Trek. Whenever seven of nine is the highlighter in an episode it is always good!
This particular episode was ok but I have always found B'elanna's temper annoying and immature for a Starfleet officer.
I think Jeri Ryan was one of the sexiest, most attractive , and interesting characters of all the Star Treks. And that is among many other gorgeous actresses/candidates who played in Star Trek. Whenever seven of nine is the highlighter in an episode it is always good!
This particular episode was ok but I have always found B'elanna's temper annoying and immature for a Starfleet officer.
Re: VOY S5: Course: Oblivion
As a late (very) comer to these posts It struck me as to one of the reasons I loved this episode. In a way I feel an empathy to the duplicate Voyager crew in that my comments (like the duplicate crew) will not be heard of, or remembered, and lost to nothingness. The commenters on these posts are like ghosts to me, perhaps you are all not even the same persons as you were when you wrote your particular comments. And the show and all (or most) of what you opined, are now in the distant past. A shame really....I have enjoyed reading all your posts. It would have been fun to get to know some of you. I am watching Voyager for the first time and I am just loving this show. I am in my retirement now so I have more time to indulge in some of these discovered gems.
This episode was a ground-breaking idea in terms of bending the imagination and crossing the "what if" barrier. A Twilight zonish episode! We got to see a Star Trek without the safety nets. We got to feel their pain and fear of actually not able to pull one out. This show made us really grieve for them and share their helplessness....and mourn them. And best of all we feel the sense of great loss of them losing everything. Plotholes....so what. It is the imaginative license that has always saved Star Trek.
As a late (very) comer to these posts It struck me as to one of the reasons I loved this episode. In a way I feel an empathy to the duplicate Voyager crew in that my comments (like the duplicate crew) will not be heard of, or remembered, and lost to nothingness. The commenters on these posts are like ghosts to me, perhaps you are all not even the same persons as you were when you wrote your particular comments. And the show and all (or most) of what you opined, are now in the distant past. A shame really....I have enjoyed reading all your posts. It would have been fun to get to know some of you. I am watching Voyager for the first time and I am just loving this show. I am in my retirement now so I have more time to indulge in some of these discovered gems.
This episode was a ground-breaking idea in terms of bending the imagination and crossing the "what if" barrier. A Twilight zonish episode! We got to see a Star Trek without the safety nets. We got to feel their pain and fear of actually not able to pull one out. This show made us really grieve for them and share their helplessness....and mourn them. And best of all we feel the sense of great loss of them losing everything. Plotholes....so what. It is the imaginative license that has always saved Star Trek.
Re: VOY S5: Thirty Days
I am as much on the fence with Janeway's inconsistencies as anyone , but she was right this time. A captain alone light years from home with a crew of complicated personalities needs the discipline of leadership. Janeway must balance the discipline according to the degree of how the infractions impact the stability of the leadership. Otherwise, letting people disregard direct orders effectively neuters the command structure and kaos sets in. Paris committed very serious infractions and left no choice for Janeway to make an example of him.
I am as much on the fence with Janeway's inconsistencies as anyone , but she was right this time. A captain alone light years from home with a crew of complicated personalities needs the discipline of leadership. Janeway must balance the discipline according to the degree of how the infractions impact the stability of the leadership. Otherwise, letting people disregard direct orders effectively neuters the command structure and kaos sets in. Paris committed very serious infractions and left no choice for Janeway to make an example of him.
Re: VOY S5: Once Upon a Time
I did not think this episode was boring at all. It had some interesting moments (weep inducing empathy, a rare support for Neelix, a challenging predicament, etc.). I am puzzled at times by the caning of some of these episodes (and from other Star Trek series as well). One cannot hit a home run every time and should take from each episode all its merits and try to cover any shortcomings with the use of imaginative license. After all, they are only one hour episodes and the writers are not scientists or engineers. I think they do the best they can with the time they have and complexity of the show. I admit that there are better episodes than others, and I have some issues with a couple of the characters, but in the long run, Voyager turned out to be a better show overall than I thought it would. I do not condemn critique (it adds to the fun of posting) all I am saying is that if you look at the core of most of these episodes, I think the effort is there to find a balance between the action part and the human interaction part.
And I will add a little humor in stating that a far more danger to the little girl might have been when the time came to tell her about Janeway's decision making!
I did not think this episode was boring at all. It had some interesting moments (weep inducing empathy, a rare support for Neelix, a challenging predicament, etc.). I am puzzled at times by the caning of some of these episodes (and from other Star Trek series as well). One cannot hit a home run every time and should take from each episode all its merits and try to cover any shortcomings with the use of imaginative license. After all, they are only one hour episodes and the writers are not scientists or engineers. I think they do the best they can with the time they have and complexity of the show. I admit that there are better episodes than others, and I have some issues with a couple of the characters, but in the long run, Voyager turned out to be a better show overall than I thought it would. I do not condemn critique (it adds to the fun of posting) all I am saying is that if you look at the core of most of these episodes, I think the effort is there to find a balance between the action part and the human interaction part.
And I will add a little humor in stating that a far more danger to the little girl might have been when the time came to tell her about Janeway's decision making!
Re: ENT S1: Civilization
I, for one felt this was one of the best Star Trek episodes of all time....including all series renditions. It reminded me a little of "City on the edge of forever" in regards to style. On a trivial note, I agree with John. I never warmed up to Trip's character. I always found him insolent, disrespectful to his superiors, reckless, and acted like an excited high school boy.
Enterprise is my favorite Star Trek series notwithstanding.
I, for one felt this was one of the best Star Trek episodes of all time....including all series renditions. It reminded me a little of "City on the edge of forever" in regards to style. On a trivial note, I agree with John. I never warmed up to Trip's character. I always found him insolent, disrespectful to his superiors, reckless, and acted like an excited high school boy.
Enterprise is my favorite Star Trek series notwithstanding.
Re: VOY S4: Living Witness
This episode was entertaining but I was hoping to find out how Voyager extricated themselves from the mess at the front end of the 700 years.
And how would the doctor follow the path of Voyager to the Alpha Quadrant 700 years later? And what a long, lonely ride that would be.... Bummer.
This episode was entertaining but I was hoping to find out how Voyager extricated themselves from the mess at the front end of the 700 years.
And how would the doctor follow the path of Voyager to the Alpha Quadrant 700 years later? And what a long, lonely ride that would be.... Bummer.
Re: BSG S3: Crossroads, Part 1
"It is what collaborators always say. I had no choice. I only followed orders. I tried to make the best of a bad situation but what they really do is enjoying a better life than the rest while making it easier for the occupiers to control the population. "
I really don't like that word, "collaborator". Aren't we all collaborators to some extent? When we enjoy a better life than the homeless guy on the street, we collaborate with the system that has taken the land, food and natural resources that rightfully belong to everyone, divided them up and put them in the hands of those deemed more worthy of them. I really don't see any difference. The concentration camp begins with the policeman.
"It is what collaborators always say. I had no choice. I only followed orders. I tried to make the best of a bad situation but what they really do is enjoying a better life than the rest while making it easier for the occupiers to control the population. "
I really don't like that word, "collaborator". Aren't we all collaborators to some extent? When we enjoy a better life than the homeless guy on the street, we collaborate with the system that has taken the land, food and natural resources that rightfully belong to everyone, divided them up and put them in the hands of those deemed more worthy of them. I really don't see any difference. The concentration camp begins with the policeman.
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