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Thomas
Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 9:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Kinematic

Canon isn't much of a concern for me either. It's just that it's hard to feel any emotion upon, say, the occurrence of a shuttle explosion or any other life-threatening, when the resident Federation surgeon-magician at the nearest starbase can resurrect anyone involved with a bunch of cybernetic implants. Same goes with Culber's spore-womb revival. In this universe, the price of death it seems is rather cheap.
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Thomas
Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 7:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

The Airiam storythread still eludes me.

Airiam is supposed to be part human, part machine. After her shuttle accident with her husband the scientists were capable enough to mechanically reconstruct the part of her that thinks, remembers and functions, which is how she is able to interface with computers and function from downloaded algorithms such as the red lights virus. They've also given her an entirely mechanical face and probably (from the way she walks) most of her body. So why is it they can't rebuild the parts that "died" when she is ejected into space and reattach them to the core memories and functioning that the rest of her body is built around? It should be a piece of cake compared with the complexity of essentially building a mechanical brain which holds all the memories of her previous life.

Maybe I'm overthinking it, but it often seems like the tech in this era is more advanced than it should be, but only when it is convenient to advance the plot.
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Thomas
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 10:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

I was prepared to say that regardless of the plot, this was the best directed episode yet in terms of clarity, pacing and balance. However there are few things I don't understand:
-The shields were turned off and yet the mines still didn't affect the ship? In one scene you saw blue flashes of light, which I assume were the shields.
-The transporter, as many have mentioned, would have been the obvious solution to the Airiam problem.
-What exactly was the nature of Airiam? They made it seem like she was just a bunch of memories in a cybernetic shell, which should have made it possible to survive the vacuum of space. What is it in her that 'died' and could not be revived when she was portrayed as basically a computer?
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Thomas M
Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 10:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: If Memory Serves

When the show hinted that the Red Angel was from the future, my first reaction that it might tie into the Short Trek “Calypso,” since that episode seemed so far removed from anything the show was actually doing (and the Saru short tied in directly to the season).

Rewatching “Calypso,” it still doesn’t seem to connect to anything, although the main character in it, Craft, who is human, has a big tattoo on his back that looks somewhat angelic (turns out its a cyclops owl, a native species from his colony planet).

Otherwise, the idea of time travelers from the future intervening in the past reeks a lot of the temporal Cold War from Enterprise, so much so that I’m inclined to wish it was tied into that. At least that would provide a decent sense of continuity I suppose.

However, I suppose if this Red Angel is trying to stop the destruction of all life in the galaxy then that means the show is creating the future that leads to Kirk and Picard and Sisko et al. from a natural timeline where everything was destroyed (not unlike when the temporal agents saved Enterprise at the end of season 1, I suppose). This would supposedly preclude the 29th century time cops from intervening.

In thinking about what the future machine fleet that did this was, my first thought wasn’t about the Borg, but the planet-killer from the episode “The Doomsday Machine.” What if Discovery retcons it so that the weapon that Kirk later encounters was actually from the future, a remnant of however Discovery ends up stopping the destruction of the galaxy? Just a passing thought. (Though it means requiring Spock not to know what it is. On a side note, Peter David wrote a pretty great novel that imagined the Doomsday machines in an ancient war with the Borg.)

On the other hand, Spock’s curiosity over the Red Angel reminded me a lot over his desire to mind meld with V’Ger.

Also, the “Interstellar”-type black hole was a neat visual, though anyone familiar with The Cage (as Spock was) would have realized pretty quickly it was an illusion. Likewise the final twist where they fake out Section 31. It basically puts the episode in a catch-22, as the legacy viewers will only appreciate the nostalgia as the story will seem predictable, while the new viewers who know nothing of The Cage might enjoy the tension, but the episode isn’t made for them.

Finally, still no mention of Sybok despite some moments he could have been name-dropped. Not that they need to, but I found it interesting that Burnham chastises the Talosians for wanting to see her and Spock’s pain, and seeing (and releasing people from) personal pain later turns out to be Sybok’s shtick. If the Discovery writers ultimately choose to completely sidestep the Sybok issue, it may be fodder for some future novel that Sybok learned of Talos from keeping an eye on Spock’s adventures, ended up going there, learned some of his mental tricks from the Talosians.
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Thomas M
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 2:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Light and Shadows

The upcoming Airiam story is actually the perfect chance to fill us is in more on the character. They've been doing this pattern in season 2 where different characters will start the episode with a narration or log and then the episode more or less centers an A or B plot on that character. Not saying they'll do this for Airiam for sure, mind you, but I think the character is becoming popular enough to warrant that kind of story treatment.
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Thomas
Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 7:22pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Light and Shadows

The JJ Abrams treatment is giving an old franchise new life, then parlaying that experience into other big franchises. This is not to be confused with the Berman treatment which involves a grave at least 5 years deep.
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Thomas M
Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 10:12am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Light and Shadows

I suppose there needed to be something that necessitated the advent of synthehol.
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Thomas
Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 9:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Light and Shadows

Why would S31 want to kill Burnham’s parents...or is Leiland personally responsible?
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Thomas M
Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 11:48am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: The Sound of Thunder

For those criticizing Ash in this episode, I think he's going to be vindicated later. It's easy to see the Red Angel's actions as altruistic, but you have to wonder if, as Ira Behr would put it, there aren't some "weasels under the coffee table" here.
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Thomas
Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 9:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: The Sound of Thunder

One of Star Trek’s best shows in the last 20 years. An extremely fun and engaging watch! Go Saru!
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Thomas
Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 9:41pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Saints of Imperfection

What would have been more interesting with Culber is if the spore-network Culber who got 'rebirthed' back into the fetus didn't carry his memories with him, and therefore doesn't remember Stamets or their relationship. Not only does it makes more sense scientifically (not that this is saying much in such a scientifically absurd premise) since DNA doesn't hold memories, but it would give rise to a promising narrative thread between the two characters. I find Stamets fairly bland so giving him some mental anguish to work with wouldn't have been a bad thing.
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Thomas M
Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 9:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Saints of Imperfection

@Dave in MN

Gene Roddenberry had a lawyer, Leonard Maizlish, who he used to threaten the TNG and TOS movie producers well into the last years of life. He filed numerous lawsuits including one against director Leonard Nimoy, insisting 15 minutes of footage be cut from the film The Undiscovered Country for “too many military aspects”. (He lost, by the way, and the film was a rousing success for tackling tough Cold War issues).

We can thank Roddenberry for a lot of things, but he’s not the end all, be all, of Trek. As mentioned, DS9 wouldn’t even exist as we know it if it was up to him.
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Thomas M
Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 3:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Saints of Imperfection

Are rightsholders even relevant to the canon discussion?

Desilu Productions owned the rights to TOS before Gulf+Western bought them out. Does that mean the fans who enjoyed the post-Desilu Trek are living a lie and not watching true Star Trek? My apologies, but I really don’t see the distinction.
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Thomas M
Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 2:36pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Saints of Imperfection

Dave those are your arbitrary standards for canon. How are they are a more valid than the Official canon, or Meyer’s or anyone else’s here? If you’d like us to respect your feelings about Trek canon I just hope you’d reciprocate the gesture.
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Thomas M
Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 2:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Saints of Imperfection

@Dave in MN

Handwaiving is part of Trek history, and it seems you’re willing to ignore that part of Trek history when it suits your tastes, so expecting otherwise from different writers with different ideas about Trek is a little hypocritical, don’t you think?

Let’s look at “Wrath of Khan”, for instance checking its background info:

“Khan's apparent recognition of Chekov and his remark "I never forget a face" are somewhat ironic, since Khan's appearance in TOS: "Space Seed" was in the first season and Chekov did not make his first appearance until Star Trek's second season; TOS: "Catspaw" was the episode which he made that first appearance.

In his DVD commentary track, director Meyer said that he was aware of the discontinuity but ignored it. Meyer acknowledged that he could have just as easily put Uhura on the Reliant and keep the consistency, but he preferred Chekov and referenced the fact that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle frequently contradicted himself in his books about Sherlock Holmes, saying that the continuity did not matter, as long as he had the audience engrossed in and enjoying the story.”

So, by your standards, should there be a Meyer timeline, since Meyer didn’t think continuity was necessary for a good Trek story?
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Thomas M
Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 1:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Saints of Imperfection

Trek’s pretty good with canon, but there are some glaring problems like Klingons going from looking completely human to looking like Worf. Speaking of the Klingons, does anyone remember them joining the Fedration, because TNG at first decided that was a thing.

Also, although later Treks visit the 1990s and a little past, Khan is no where to be found let alone the Eugenics Wars of the 20th century described in Space Seed.

Kirk was surprised by Romulan cloaking devices in Balance of Terror, but NX-01 already encountered them twice, including cloaked *Romulans ships*.

You can really end up going down the rabbit hole by using continuity alone as the standard of quality for a Trek show.
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Thomas
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 4:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Saints of Imperfection

Dobber, you’re only part right:

SISKO: There's no record of a Deputy Director Sloan anywhere in Starfleet. And as for Section thirty one, that's a little more complicated. Starfleet Command doesn't acknowledge its existence, but they don't deny it either. They simply said they'd look into it and get back to me.
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Thomas
Mon, Feb 11, 2019, 2:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: An Obol for Charon

KIRK: I know your father's the Vulcan Ambassador for heaven's sake, but you know how I feel about this. They're animals!
SPOCK: Jim, there is an historic opportunity here.
KIRK: Don't believe them! Don't trust them!
SPOCK: They are dying.
KIRK: Let them die!
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Thomas
Thu, Jan 3, 2019, 3:40am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Ja'loja

It's interesting that so many critiques of the show overlook what is often critiqued about TNG - that its crew is too perfect. This episode in particular highlighted the glaring insecurities of the Orville's crew, of being a bad mother, bad at dating, bad at talking to women.
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Thomas
Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 12:26am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: The Wire

Thank goodness nearly every modern country is a mixed economy these days, eh?
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Thomas
Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 3:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang

"I thought Star Trek was supposed to be a post-racial society, where stuff like what Sisko rails against doesn't exist anymore. "

Star Trek is supposed to be "post-" a lot of things. It's meant to depict a humanity where all social struggles have come to an end. That can be problematic for some of the writers who see it as their role to address those conflicts. The advantage of sci-fi is it provides an opportunity for universality of philosophical themes. That's why there is no need to have Sisko "rail against" human racism when there are an abundance of alien species and unique situations to look upon racism with a fresh perspective not tainted by our own prejudices. I am certain that many minds whose tendency might have been towards racist thoughts have been changed by having their perspective challenged in a way that did not directly admonish them or their ancestors for things that happened long ago, and instead changed those minds by a universal message in which the truth is brought to light. That mind-changing potential sci-fi wields is a powerful weapon, but a lot of sci-fi squanders it in the belief that certain social and philosophical issues can only be addressed in the social context in which they occur.
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Thomas
Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 7:36pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: The Wire

"This is what I don't get. It isn't immoral to associate with immoral people. Having lunch with even a nazi doesn't make you a nazi especially if you are not aiding their negative enterprises.

Moral condemnatation of such characters is meaningless and futile."

But aren't you morally condemning them by labeling them immoral in the first place? Reform isn't done by having lunch with a fascist, it's by changing the way we see them so that instead of seeing a fascist, we see someone who is crying out for love. That someone could have been you or me or anyone had we grown up under different circumstances and had different beliefs. True unity is brought not by the Star Trek method of making every body the same through technology while still perceiving them as differently, but when we see everyone as the same. Which in truth, we are.
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Thomas
Sat, Dec 8, 2018, 12:20am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Crossover

I would have liked Voyager to develop its characters. They had a great opportunity to show that the real journey in life is internal, and not about going from place A to place B. And yet, by the end of the series, naive ensign Harry Kim was still a naive ensign, angry half-Klingon Torres was still an angry half-Klingon. Barely anything had changed at all.
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Thomas
Sat, Dec 8, 2018, 12:15am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Crossover

Re: Voyager being "all about the journey"

Voyager was only "about the journey" on the surface. It didn't take very long until every episode was groundhog day and it ended up being not about the journey at all. Funnily enough even though DS9 was set in a static location, it was far more about a journey than Voyager ever was. And Babylon 5 even more so. Somehow a static location lends itself far better to developing storylines and a sense of progression than a constantly on-the-move starship trying to get home.
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Thomas
Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 4:29am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Perfect Mate

Polly -

Ambition is a negative trait, male or female. Perhaps it isn't seen that way in our neurotic modern age, but TNG is supposed to be an evolved culture and not one centered around materialism.
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