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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 1:49am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: A Simple Investigation

I know you won't.

That's what you get for thinking that you're smarter than everyone else, and when you come here to belittle others rather than to exchange opinions. You never learn anything.

I personally think that coming to a discussion board with such an attitude is a complete waste of time. But whatever rocks your boat, sir.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 1:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: A Simple Investigation

There's somthing hilarious in a guy who comes to a discussion board for Trek nerds and:

(1) Makes a jab at their IQ.
(2) Claims that they are morons because they "think Star Trek is real" (talk about being completely unable to understand nuances).
(3) Tops it all with statements about his own great intelligence.

Talk about a person just not getting it...
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Ruth
Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 5:41am (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: Regeneration

It wasn’t explicit but I felt that Phlox had a cure for borg nanoprobes in denobulans, not an actual anti assimilation technique like is used on Picard and Seven and others later or a general anti nanoprobe technique that would work on other species. We know in Voyager (and maybe elsewhere?) that some species cannot be assimilated at all - perhaps Denobulans are hard to assimilate.

I was hoping at first that the researchers would be cautious and destroy everything they’ve found (which would also explain why no one had heard of it later), and it would be tormenting us as viewers “when will they wake up?” but with the characters remaining fairly oblivious. That tension was the best bit of the episode for me. The action sequences we got were fine, there’s something about that green borg lighting! But the way they didn’t say “we are the Borg” to Archer was stupid. I accepted it in the Ferengi episode, because the Ferengi don’t go around with their catchphrase “we are the Ferengi”, but not here.

I don’t see a problem with the timeline at all, as long as we can accept that the fact that this was never filed under “Borg” so no one noticed. Perhaps this strange account was one of the bits of evidence the Hansens were going on later, and they like Cochrane were held to be a bit mad after all.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 2:56am (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S1: Broken Bow

@Nukey Shay

Glad to see a fellow Trekkie rediscovering Enterprise! That show is criminally under-rated in my opinion (and yes, "Marauders" is regarded as one of the weaker episodes of the series).

By the way, TOS's "The Man Trap" was never intended to be the show's first episode. The true pilot (and first episode by production order) is "Where No Man Has Gone Before", which is a far better introduction the ship and crew than the salt vampire one.
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SouthofNorth
Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 10:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Samaritan Snare

The Pakleds are the only species the Borg decided not to assimilate.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 2:44am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: A Matter of Perspective

Well, I didn't really care for all the character drama stuff in this one.

What I absolutely loved about this episode is the twist ending. It was an ingenious sci fi idea which, to me, makes up for the... ehm... less-than-stellar moments that came before.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 2:35am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Melora

@TopHat
"I do find the point interesting that Melora is not strictly a disabled person, but an alien who travels outside of environments her species has evolved for. Does the euphemism "differently abled" apply more strongly? After all, the problem is the environment around her, nothing inherent to her body."

The same could be said about many of the "disabilities" in the real world, though.

People in wheelchairs would be able to do everything a walking person could do, had they lived in a suitable environment. Does it really make a difference, whether this ideal environment actually exists on some planet or not? The only reason these people have such a hard time in the actual world, is that we live in a society that takes walking for granted.

And the simple fact is that the word "disabled" nearly always refers to some kind of external standard: You can't be "disabled" in a void. It's always in comparison to some set of requirements for being "able-bodied" which is - in the end - a largely social construct.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 2:05am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Melora

It's kinda hilarious (in a bad way) that the crew of a space station on which different SPECIES work together, make such a big deal of something as simple as making access for a wheelchair. You'd think such a place would need to accommodate a far bigger spectrum of diverse needs, like extreme temperatures or unusual breathing mixtures or the-devil-knows-what-else, on a daily basis.

Yes, I know that in Star Trek 99% of the aliens are basically humans with prosthetics. And in an ordinary episode this would be fine. We just accept it as a conciet needed due to the constraints of television story-telling.

But when you have a story like "Melora", the rediculousness of it all suddenly becomes evident. In short, this is a story that shouldn't have been made in the first place (even if they fixed all the problems).
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 1:39am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: In the Cards

@Booming

Don't worry. I have absolutely no interest in continuing on this futile tangent.

Now back to discussing DS9 and this episode:

I actually agree with Lew's general point of how the people onboard DS9 are behaving too much like 20th century humans. It's a thing that bugs me too about this show (and to lesser extent - about Voyager).

I just don't agree with the specific example he gave here. I don't see anything "greedy" or "primitive" in the idea of cheering Sisko up with a sentimental gift. In fact, I find this episode heart-warming and beautiful (and much of the stuff with the Geiger fellow was also hilariously funny).

It's ironic. Because my biggest gripe with the characters of DS9 is how often they fall into being egotistical and petty (at least when compared to the earlier Trek shows) and the spirit of *this* episode is precisely the opposite of that.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 4:50am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: In the Cards

@Lew Stone

It's amazing that every single thing you've accused the people here of, is a thing that you yourself are doing.

Can't accept criticism? check.
Arrogantly assuming that you're better then everyone else? check.
Playing the role of a victim? check.
Taking everything here way *way* too seriously? check.

So you might want to lighten up...

Also, please remember that this a Trekkie discussion board and that one of our favorite hobbies is to nitpick and overanalyze and correct EVERYTHING we see. So if you see people doing that to your comments, try not to take it personally.

(you might also want to take it as sign that you should try and improve your arguments)
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 9:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Melora

@Booming

"And don't forget. Disabled people got that episode which is meh but think about what the transsexuals got... a sex change for Quark and gay men were completely absent."

Representation done wrong is worse then no representation at all, tough. I was actually astounded to learn that the writer of this episode was himself disabled, because Melora (both the episode and the character) annoyed me to no end.

And it's not true that the LGBT people didn't get anything. They got "rejoined" which - in my view - did everything right on this front: It managed to demonstrate that same-sex relationships are a non-issue in the 24th century, while ALSO giving us a compelling "gay rights" allegory.

Of-course, I'm not gay myself, so feel free to dispell my enthusiasm for that episode :-)
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 6:45am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: In the Cards

"I never said Sisko was "forever depressed" or going to eternally sulk, your words, not mine, but nice try. I stated that it is silly to think that a baseball card, or any gift for that matter, will alleviate the depression that comes from a looming conflict such as war."

Look... I've lived through my share of impending wars and existential dangers, and I can tell you from experience: The most important and most healthy thing you can do in these situation is to realize that LIFE GOES ON.

Yes, it is *natural* to become preoccupied with the thoughts of doom and the horrors of death. But it isn't healthy. At least, it isn't healthy to be like that ALL THE TIME.

And yes, small actions of goodwill can do wonders in this respect. It may not be 'logical' but human emotions seldom are logical. The simple truth is that it often works.

Of-course, this doesn't mean that now everything will be bubbly and happy forever. It just makes coping with the impending doom easier.

Also, it isn't just the baseball card that cheered Sisko up. It's the fact that everybody on the station was a little less tense because someone has done something nice to them that day.

I know, I know... It is terribly cliche. But it is cliche because it is *true*.

"I'll even give you a quick example that I just thought of. How about a tie-in to Jake's writing ability to have him write a an ode, a sonnet, any kind of poem, or short story, for Sisko that incorporates Sisko's life, his present love interest, as well as themes of peace, love, and acceptance, the beauty of life, the nobility of fighting and dying for your beliefs, and have part of the episode revolve around THAT."

The nobility of fighting?! Dying for your beliefs?! How the hell is that supposed to cheer anybody up? And shouldn't the 24th century Federation be above this kind of thing, anyway?

To be fair, it does look fitting on paper. But unfortunately, to a person who actually *lived* through similar situations, it just doesn't make any sense.

Unless it's a Klingon ship. Writing that song to Worf and Martok would certainly get their spirits up :-)

"Oh well, maybe you guys need to read more classic literature, you don't seem to get it."

Or maybe classic literature isn't as "realisitic" as you think it is, when it comes to the human condition?

"Oh, and the 'are you stalking me now' was a joke, or couldn't you tell?"

Of-course I couldn't tell.

As Booming already told you a few episodes ago, people cannot tell your tone of voice over the internet. He also recommended that you use emoticons to clarify your intentions, to which you replied "good point".

In the post we're discussion right now, you didn't use any emoticons. So if you *were* joking and people didn't get it, the responsibility for not getting the message across lies squarely on your shoulders.

"I'm beginning to think some of you have no sense of humor, take things way too seriously, and are overly-sensitive. You kind of showed your nasty attitude there Omi but whatever... "

How did you leap from "not understanding a joke" to "nasty"?

Seriously, if you think any of the replies you've got here are "nasty" then perhaps it is you who are overly-sensitive...
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 4:16am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: In the Cards

"Are you stalking me now?"

Don't flatter yourself.

Every new comment appears on Jammer's "comment stream" page, which is where many of us hop to see if there's anything new.

Anyway, Booming summed up nicely why Jake's gift has absolutely nothing to do with 20th/21st century greed or material wealth. It's the sentimental value the matters, and the thought that counts.

Also, there's nothing in canon to support the claim that 23rd/24th century humans have stopped being emotional and sentimental creatures. As Spock would say, these emotions are completely illogical. But as Kirk would say (with a huge self-satisfied grin on his face): It is these emotions that make us human.

Besides, would it really be more logical for Sisko to be forever depressed because of the war? Will eternal sulking help the Federation win? Being pereptually stuck in a gloomy mood until the external crisis is solved, doesn't strike me as particularly logical either.
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Ruth
Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 8:29am (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: Dawn

Brian, they're only saying whilst they were waiting. Beam down some ice and frozen whatever the alien drank and they can drink that. It was like half an hour or an hour they were waiting for the shuttle. If the water was going to boil in that time that would have been the least of their problems! They definitely could have had some kind of shade too.

I didn't think of that whilst I was watching but I did think they could have tried to find some shade. The peak they were on didn't look very big and they only had to get behind it. Maybe it was meant to be bigger than it looked.

This episode is maybe a bit stupid but I liked it anyway. I like Trip a lot. He's probably the nicest of the Enterprise crew (Travis and Hoshi are equally pleasant but not so thoughtful or patient - T'Pol is thoughtful and patient but not at all warm, and so on), and there are times like in this episode that you see it's a real conscious effort he's making. I don't know how much this is explored later in Enterprise, but he seems to me to be a really sarcastic and perhaps even bitter person who is trying and generally succeeding to be pleasant and friendly. Characters are often either rude/cold/whatever but loveable or some kind of saint who never gets annoyed at anything or anyone, so it's interesting to see something a little more nuanced.
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Ruth
Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 8:12am (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: The Crossing

It's funny that they wanted to get more use out of the catwalk set. It's like Archer told Mayweather "Travis, can you look through our old sets and see if any can be reused against this week's aliens?". It's a nice set though so I can't blame them.

It was like several stories mashed together and much worse than its parts. Evil aliens taking over Enterprise is one story. Starfleet meeting non-corporeal aliens for the first time (it's not clear if T'Pol merely couldn't scan these lot or if the Vulcans had also not met any) is one story too. The possession aspect is like another story which could have gone fine with one or the other but the whole thing is muddy and weird. I noticed it had a lot of writers names at the start. Too many cooks?

There's no moment where Archer thinks he was wrong to be so suspicious and hostile. I think it would have been a lot better for that. The way it was filmed, it's like he knew the ending, and that just isn't believable (not least because he only knew it like I now know the ending, he didn't change his actions, just his attitude!)

It's not like every Enterprise episode is like this. Just in the last episode, he's risking his life and Trip's to save a ship of what may well be the worst kind of murderers - and risking his life several more times to try to rescue the one trying to kill them all, and him. Previously, we've seen it can be hard for him to adapt to weird and/or rude aliens, but he does, even if it takes some prodding from T'Pol. But there was none of that here. It's so odd. It would have been a great episode if they had been able to help them fix their ship (which it's implied was running on no maintenance for maybe thousands of years if not longer). But Archer didn't offer, when he offers to help every other alien with their ships, and they didn't ask, even though they got the ability to speak to the Enterprise crew. That's just one option - another is to find them a planet or even for some of them to stay on board permanently! But no, just "they're evil, kill them". Really boring.

I thought they all put in good performances though. Reed's alien was ridiculous, but I liked amazed Trip and evil Hoshi. T'Pol was a bit weak talking to Archer, but great in the possession scene. I liked Phlox too, he was asking all those questions to show he's a doctor and this is not really in his job description - what the rest of the crew does is difficult and requires training and I think the actor conveyed that well as did the script.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 7:30am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

"Discovery gave us a plausible turbo-lift design."

Sorry, but no.

There is nothing plausible in having huge empty spaces aboard a space ship. It's a silly design whose sole purpose is to wow the viewers with special effects without any consideration for in-universe practicality.

Glad you enjoyed it, though.

"Jammer really needs to make a 'Short Treks' grouping like 'Enterprise', TNG, etc... I think there is going to be a bunch of these to talk about. "

Agreed.
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SouthofNorth
Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 8:09am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: A Matter of Honor

Summary: Okay episode undone by plot contrivance 2/4

This is an example of the TNG writer not respecting the fan's intelligence. In order to believe the action of this story you have to believe that the Klingon commander is an unhinged idiot anxious to go to battle with an ally. That's sloppy writing, catering to the idea that the ONLY way the fans are going to be interested in the story is if --- ooohhh - the Enterprise is about to be DESTROYED. But we all know the Enterprise isn't going to be destroyed and so there's really no dramatic tension and we spent a good part of the episode wondering why the Klingon Commander is such a moron and how he ever got his job in the first place.

The interaction between Riker and the Klingon crew ARE great and comprise the really charm and interest in the story. However it would have been much better if the ending had gone something like this:

(Klingon commander is beamed abroad the Enterprise)
Picard: Commander Kargan?
Kargan: Oh hi Picard. A little trick of your first officer. Seemed to think I was losing my grip on my command.
Picard: How is your ship?
Kargan: Fine. Fine. I smeared the bacteria over our waste collection section. Got rid of a lot of mess that add collected after our deep space mission. Planting that bacteria was a good test of our officers Picard.
Picard: Indeed. (Looks over at Mendon.)
Kargan: But one that Riker failed. He should have tried to kill me for my actions. It'll be a long time before he's a ready to be a Klingon officer, Picard.
Worf: The Pagh is hailing us.
Picard: On screen
Riker: This is command Riker of the Klingon ship, The Pagh. You have 1 hour to clean up the mess you left on our ship or else I'm going to blow you out of the sky!!!
Picard: We'll get right on commander. Mr. Mendon, beam over to The Pagh and show the Klingons how to remove the bacteria.
Mendon: (gulps) Uh .. yes sir.
Kargan: Hmmm maybe it won't take as long as I thought ...
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Matthew
Sun, Oct 6, 2019, 8:33am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: The Big Goodbye

Two things that make me laugh/eye roll in this episode:

1. Picard and Troi practicing the speech in the beginning. I’m *pretty* sure that insecticide aliens from far beyond the moon don’t write their language in the Roman alphabet, so what’s up with the goofy pronunciation drilling? Picard’s script should just be written out phonetically. But then, oh shoot, there goes the dramatic reason that Picard needs to de-stress in the holodeck.

2. Crusher imitating the dames on the holodeck with the powder compact, acting like she’s never put makeup on before. Meanwhile her own cheekbones are contoured til the spacecows come home.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Sat, Oct 5, 2019, 2:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Blink of an Eye

The stars *would* be points of light. Remember that everything on the planet is sped-up, so no person on the planet could actually see the ultrafast rotation speed.

There are many things that don't make scientific sense in this episode (though we could probably fanwonk a technobabble explanation for most of these) but this isn't isn't one of them.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Fri, Oct 4, 2019, 4:16am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Children of Time

Also Star Trek was never intended to be hard science fiction, so subjecting it to this level of detailed of scientific scrutiny is simply a bad idea.

What's next? A particle physicist insisting that "Silicon Avatar" is U-N-W-A-T-C-H-A-B-L-E because they got the energy of antiproton annihilation wrong (by a factor of 200 thousand, no less)?
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 3:36am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Children of Time

The article doesn't really have anything to do with the situation in this episode.

The scenario described the article is a colony SHIP with a CONSTANT POPULATION. It starts at 160 and stays at 160 for 10 generations. The limit here has nothing to do with genetics (the article explicitly says this). It's simply a problem of matchmaking: Below a certain threshold, finding suitable mates becomes too difficult, and the population simply dies out.

Anyway, none of this is relevant to a planet-side colony that's growing exponentially. There's nothing in that article that tells us a colony can't have a STARTING population of 48. Probably not an ideal starting point, but if it happened accidentally (as it did in the episode) you'd probably manage just fine.

(a quick google search on this matter gave me figures from 27 to 500 as the minimum viable gene pool. Make of it what you will)
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 2:17am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Fair Haven

Wasn't Geordi from the African Confederation?

Of-course this just further supports your general point.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 12:56am (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S4: These Are the Voyages...

TATV doesn't really jive that well with the "Pegasus", so I'm not sure watching them back-to-back would be such a great idea...
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Tue, Oct 1, 2019, 3:37pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: A Simple Investigation

????

Adding fuel to the fire much? Talk about being over-dramatic...
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Tue, Oct 1, 2019, 11:49am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: A Simple Investigation

@DLPB

"I wish people could look on writing objectively, but it seems to me some poor sods think this fiction is reality."

Boy, you must be fun at parties...
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