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Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:41am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: Unification III

Hi, please understand that I don't have the wherewithal or the time to engage with every single point made and I don’t post much as I said earlier. You asked an honest question so I'll answer honestly. TBH, I didn’t respond because I did not see the connection you are trying to make with what I said. Of course, I agree with you. Of course, your wife and you enjoying different shows is fine. That is a universal statement about any two persons.

That said, if in your example, you talked about how you were constantly stopping by when your wife is sitting while she is trying to enjoy one of her favorite series that features a female protagonist, just to butt in and attack that main character about how the actor is bad, how the character is a cry-baby, mock her, repeatedly throw snarks about her, causing your wife to get irritated, then it would have related much closer to my point, and yes, I would consider that sexist.
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Thu, Dec 3, 2020, 10:45pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: Unification III

@Chris L. @Artymiss @SusieR,
Thanks for your nice and engaging responses. Chris: I appreciated your feedback especially the one above to SusieR. The previous one, I don’t agree with your last sentence, but that’s okay, the sincerity in your post is ever present, thanks.

Artymiss: I agree with your “nasty” comment on the Tilly-related post but I would also add the comment from which you quote as another thinly veiled misogynist one, bit surprised you don’t see that. The first and last sentences alone manifest it. What is wrong with being raised by Lwaxana Troi (as opposed to Vulcans) since that is provided as reference to justify what is wrong with Michael? I don’t remember Deanna behaving like a female under the age of five although she was raised by Lwaxana.

Susie R: That’s kind of you, thanks for taking the time. Needless to say, I agree with you. I hadn’t considered the “comment stream” and now I will. Thank you and I can only imagine how you felt when you first engaged here, I may have been even more compelled to say something that I did for this episode if I caught that, it sounds horrible.

As for the rest of the reactions, they are what I pretty much expected, with only the snark and mockery missing in density. I expect them to reappear soon.
Inconsequential spoiler about the next episode, Michael doesn’t cry. That’s now 4 cries in 5 last episodes with two of them having none. She must be trying to graduate to the class of “females over the age of 5.”
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Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:44pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: Unification III

I forgot to include that in Ep4 she doesn't cry at all (ha! shocker huh?), thus my count of four in four episodes.

I respect your view as a woman, but it is not going to change my opinion that this board is largely dominated by male views. The bias is blatant. You blame it on the writing, which is again an opinion I respect but not necessarily share, and I can live with that. However, many snarks I read are not based on writing like Mertov says above. It appears to have turned into a pleasant exercise for some posters to just mock her crying for the sake of it, and that's not fair.
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Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 10:13pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: Unification III

Long-time reader of Jammer’s site (Jammer I used to follow you on Twitter long time ago, but you are not active anymore) and reviews and I rarely post anything, but the male snark over Michael’s crying has reached such ridiculous proportions that I decided to post this time, I am positive it will NOT be welcome, since this board appears to be dominated by male views. I have reservations about any of the regular posters here being women, if there are any, I am going to guess that they rarely say write, since it has turned into a very unpleasant message board for a woman to read. The blatant prejudice toward Michael as a character and Sonequa Martin-Green as an actor is completely overboard. Talk about crying, and I am not referring to Michael when I say that. Avery Brooks’s acting was overboard to the Nth degree and while there are some criticisms of his acting in the DS9 episodes’ boards, it has not come close to the vitriol Michael or Sonequa Martin-Green receives here.
Get over it, Gentlemen! Strong characters cry, strong women also cry. Not every main character has to live up to your mighty James Kirk, Steve Austin, or James Bond.

Now, let's look at what all the “crying about crying” is about, because I just binged the last three episodes before watching Ep8 coming up in less than 24 hours. Below are the times Michael cries:

Once. At the end when she is leaving Nhan behind and it comes at the heels of one of the best separation dialogues between two friends who may never see each other again. It was warranted and a fabulous scene. I cried too, not that any of the males here would approve. So Michael crying was a problem there? Really Misters?

Once. At the end in another well-written dialogue, Saru conveys his feelings about being betrayed by Michael as he demotes her rank. Again, it’s very warranted, she felt the weight of Saru’s disappointment in her. It bothers people on this site? Really?

Twice. First when she talks to her mother to say goobye again following the hearing. Again, it’s warranted. She found her after almost two years in her time, after thinking that she may never see her again, ever! And following a charged hearing she has to say goodbye to her again. That deserves the incessant snarks? Really Sirs?
Second, when Tilly is welcomed by the rest of the crew as Number One and Michael observes her happiness and cries after Tilly expresses her appreciation of what Michael has done for her. Not one of my favorite scenes, for sure, but Michael’s crying is once again warranted in that situation, knowing her good friend has achieved comething she has dreamed of all her life. Criticize the writing of the scene, but mocking Michael’s crying? Really?

So that’s it? Four scenes in four episodes of Michael crying and men here are all crying about her crying? Talk about irony.

Moreover, as a woman, I’d defend the opinion that she held back too much when she realized what Spock has achieved and observed his old self speak in the projection. I would have cried my eyes out right then. Again, when her mother appears for the first time and they hug. She just clinches her eyes in happiness, but no tears? I lost my mother twelve years ago and I still get tears in my eyes when I think deeply about our good memories. Tears would have been coming down my face the moment my mother appeared if I was in her shoes at that moment. But what do I know, as a woman, huh? There are enough male experts on this board who make it clear that I would only receive snarks and mockery if I did. Glad I get to watch Star Trek with a man at home who is apparently exceptional and thinks nothing of the sort. What was the title of Flannery O’Connor’s book?
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Stacy M
Mon, May 11, 2015, 8:03pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: The Outrageous Okona

This was one of the worst episodes I've watched. It was painful, between the sexism and terrible comedy. Also, Data calling a fish purse an amphibian was a ridiculous error on the writer's part.
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