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Springy
Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 10:38am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Life Support

Some thoughts after reading commentary:

I thought the most interesting discussion in the ep was the discussion around whether Winn should lie to Bareil, and claim she doesn't need him, so he'll agree to stasis. Though Winn's motives are not noble, she's not wrong when she decides not to lie to him. Lying to him removes his agency, i.e, his ability to knowledgeably decide his own fate. To lie to him would be grossly disrespectful to him and wrong.

Kai Winn is happy to have him as a fall guy, yes, but it's also very clear that she prefers success, and really needs him and can't handle the negotiations alone. (Is this why they turned her blonde? To count on the "dumb blonde" stereotype to explain why the clever and conniving Kai is suddenly an airhead?).

How would Bareil feel, to wake up a year later, say, to failed negotiations and negative consequences for Bajor, because he was lied to? Is he a full person, with full rights . . . or not?

So . . . who's suggesting taking his "spark" away?

Though the B plot was jarringly "lighthearted" it actually did fit in, here, in an ep that's basically about agency - individual rights, the ability to decide for oneself . . . where does it start and end?

Very sick people, robots, female Ferenghi, Bajoran prisoners (detainees?) on Cardassia . . .

Notice how Jake "imprisons" Nog to force him to talk. Is this ok? Is it ok for Odo, as a professional, to lie to Nog, and go along with it all?

So anyhow, there is a thematic tie in for both A & B plots, even with those "secret negotiations" (a couple of people making decisions for many . . . the Kai is an elected official . . .) which also include discussions of prisoners.
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Springy
Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 9:20am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Life Support

Watching and commenting:

--First thought on seeing the opener is that the ep is going to focus on the Kira-Bariel relationship, and I'm resisting the desire to label it "snoozefest" too soon.

--When did the Kai go blonde?

--Huh. I've been spelling Buh-rai-ul as Bariel. But I guess it's Bareil? Where the e had a long i sound? No. It's Bare-I-L, I guess.

--This "death" of Bareil makes me think of the Dorothy Parker quote from when she heard that Calvin Coolidge had died: "How can they tell?"

--Leanne is very cute. But Jake is bringing Nog on the date?

--This wimpy, unprepared portrayal of Kai Winn is hard to buy. She is nothing if not a meticulous schemer.

--If they replace parts of Bareil's brain, he'll lose his spark? Dorothy Parker comes to mind yet again.

--Nog treats women like slaves, but this is an cultural difference, a "disgusting habit" Jake can overlook as long as they don't double date. Worrisome, but certainly realistic.

--Nana V doing a good job on her goodbye scene, but this relationship wasn't well defined. I'm not moved, as I would normally be with such a scene.

Average fare.
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Springy
Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 10:21pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Fascination

@Peter G

Keiko, up to this point in TNG or DS9, has yet to be portrayed as a harpy.

In this episode, she starts out tired and irritated after a long trip that included dealing with Lwaxana Troi. This disappoints Miles. She and Miles are both on edge and have some minor communication issues, snipping at each other a bit. But then they go out for a nice dinner. Things are going well, but during dinner Miles disappoints Keiko with his angry reaction to her desire to stay two extra months, and there's a bit more snipping.

Miles regrets his anger, and very sincerely apologizes through the bedroom door. Keiko, still hurt from Miles' angry outburst, asks for time to think. She realizes how wonderful what he has just said to her was, and she puts on his favorite red dress to go find him and tell him how much she loves and appreciates him.

They're all happy smiles when they say goodbye.

That's how it played for me, and I'm mystified by the comments about Keiko being bitchy, divorce on the horizon, etc. They clearly love and appreciate and are physically attracted to each other. They've both made sacrifices for one another, over the years. They love their child. They have a good marriage.

While I agree that it serves no good purpose to portray Keiko as a harpy, I disagree with the notion that she has been portrayed as a harpy.
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Springy
Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:44pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Past Tense, Part II

Hmm. Was surprised to see the rave reviews for Part 1. The story was fine but this two part offering is not up there with the great Trek eps, IMO.

I can't imagine getting to a place where I would put a Sisko-centric episode up there with the greats. Brooks is not good. He isn't good in this. He occasionally has decent scenes. He's often truly terrible. It really throws cold water on many an ep, for me.

Definitely, we come up against some of those paradoxes that Janeway always dismissed a giving her a headache, and I always followed her lead. I have no trouble ignoring the paradoxes, or the techno babble, though it did bother me a bit, that they seemed to have come much too close to figuring out a way to easily time travel as they wished, using the transporter.

Yes, indeed, the story was preachy and simplistic, and didn't really show a sophisticated, realistic understanding of mental illness, homelessness, or even human nature, in general. I prefer the eps that aren't preachy and simplistic, but I appreciate and accept that these sorts of "how the Earth became Utopia" eps are a part of the Trekverse.

A good offering overall.
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Springy
Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:04pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Past Tense, Part II

Watching and commenting

--This is well done so far. I don't have much of an affinity for Sisko or Bashir, which makes this less engaging than it could be for me.

--I like that we're having a little Trek Time Travel Fun with Miles and Kira.

--Well, lots of political comments come to mind. But I don't wanna go there.

--And all's well that ends well. The ending "How could they have let things get so bad?" asks Bashir. Ah, Julian.


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Springy
Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 8:15pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Past Tense, Part I

Watching and commenting:

--Transported through time. That's a new one. Wow. I'm not looking forward to 2024.

--Hard not to notice how close 2024 is to now, and how much doesn't match reality, and what does.

--A cure for schizophrenia by 2024? If only, Bashir.

--Nice contrast between the Sanctuary area and Dax's opulent surroundings.

--Major technobabble, paradox stuff it's best not to think about, i.e., the usual with time travel eps.

--Interesting so far. On to part 2.

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Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 10:48am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Fascination

After reading commentary:

William B said: "I take Keiko's standoffishness early on as being the result both of being tired and of trying to figure out how to bring up the idea of staying for another few months."

Agree, though I also had the strong impression that Keiko had had to endure Lwaxana's overbearing manner and non-stop chatter the whole trip, while Lwaxana kept giving Molly candy (no doubt despite Keiko's objections).

They're both on edge and anxious about seeing each other again. I think there's some suggestion, for Miles, that reality isn't meeting his fantasies of Keiko coming off the shuttle, glowing, adoring, fresh as a daisy, and preferably in a tight dress. And for Keiko, Miles disappoints her dreams of a smiling, encouraging, Miles, with his knee-jerk reaction to the need for another two months on Bajor.

It's all normal marriage/relationship stuff - and the ep is about reality vs fantasy. For the O'Briens, we see that their bond is ultimately based in reality.

This ep is bad, but not as bad as Meridian or Move Along Home. There's the O'Briens, a saving grace for me, and there the fact that it's meant to be a farce. It's a badly done farce, yes. But to me, that's better than a farce that is posing as something more.
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Springy
Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:46am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Fascination

Watching and commenting:

--O'Brien and Bashir with a good scene about O'Brien missing his family. But they're due for a visit. Bariel coming too. And Lwaxana!! Yuh-oh.

--Bajoran 26-hr Thanksgiving. They burn papers instead of the turkey.

--Lwaxana is so very overbearing. Why does no one "just say no?"

--Keiko and Miles on edge. Their banter is so good though. Very at home, every day, when both partners are feeling anxious.

--Quark with a Bajoran earring on his massive ear.

--Something going wrong with everyone. Very, very boring so far.

--Dysfunction at the holidays is traditional, but this makes my family look pretty good.

--Lame explanation. Oh, the stupidity.

--Keiko and O'Brien are the only saving grace.

Pass the potatoes.
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Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 9:42pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Defiant

--Riker, my least favorite TNG character. But like so many before me, I'll go ahead and give him a spin.

--Yeah, yeah, Riker is such a lady killer. Why so mean to O'Brien? Ah, so he shoots Kira. A lady-stunner more than killer . . . 'cause it's Tom, not Will.

--Lots of people who are overworked or overwhelmed. Kira needs a day off. Riker uses a story about how he's been ordered to take a break on Risa. Dukat wishes he had more time for his son (best scene, Dukat really getting fleshed out way past comic book villain).

--Lots of stuff about loyalties and shifting loyalties, who has what authority.

--This story just not grabbing me. Don't like Kira psychoanalyzing Tom, just not working.

--Surely Tom is not going to let himself be sentenced to life in a Cardassian Labor Camp. Why does Kira vow that they'll try to get him out?

--Accckkk!!! to the Riker-Kira kiss.

--Not feeling it, average ep with some Dukat goodness thrown in.
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Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:32pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Meridian

Watching and commenting:

--Ok, I know by the ep name, and William B's earlier comment, that this is the one and only DS9 ep that I remember watching before, because I disliked it so. But I have no memory of the details, just my dislike of the character assassination of Jadzia. Anyhow, I'm going ahead and holding my nose and diving in.

--Ugh. I think that's Mr Wonderful asking Jadzia about her markings.

--Is it prejudging to hate the ep already, if I saw it before about 25 years ago, and remember almost nothing except the extremely sour taste in my mouth?

--Ugh, this B plot about the creepy Kira-stalker wanting her image in the holosuite, and Quark trying to trick her into letting him get her image, is awful as well.

--"Do you always do that when you're concentrating?" "What?" "Bite your lower lip." "I guess I do." Now, listen here. I am the hardened, jaded mom of a teenage girl. I've heard some major simpering, and I have a high tolerance for cutesy and starry eyed and dramatic. But that awful bile taste is returning. SOMEONE GET ME SOME PEPTO BISMOL.

--"I've been looking for you." "You've found me." "I have." Never mind. I can't wait on any of you guys. I'll find the Pepto Bismol myself.

--I actually think the Kira-stalker and Kira make a cuter couple than Dax and Mr Wonderful.

--This goodbye scene with Dax and Sisko is so, so overwrought and horrible. The writing. The acting. The music. All my senses are rebelling and threatening to mutiny if I don't turn this off. But I must persist.

--Even Meany can't pull off this good bye scene with Bashir, Sisko, O'Brien, and Jadzia. Meany just looks sort of . . . outnumbered and defeated, as he mumbles his way through it.

--Oh, poor Jadzia! How can she contain her grief? And how can I contain my dinner?

And it's done.

These are depths I had hoped never to plumb again: I must give this ep -1,000 stars, i.e., the same score I gave Voyager's Threshold (though I think baby salamanders would actually have improved this episode).
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Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 5:54pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: The Abandoned

Ah, I see in Elliott's comments that the Jem' Hadar use some sort of cloaking . . . ah, sure, yes, I see. That's how the kid speed up so suddenly and knowledgeable in Sisko's office. I spaced on that one.

Mardah and Jake have only a four year difference; it's only mildly unsettling because Jake seems even younger to me, and she seems a little older. I mean, Jake sounds like his voice is still cracking. She looks 25. Ultimately, he is "old enough," and she's not in any power or trust position over him. So, yes, Godspeed, Jake.
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Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 5:32pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Civil Defense

Watching and commenting:

--Ackk! I do not like this beginning. Brooks . . . maybe there's a reason he looks like he's simmering with anger when all he's doing is reminding Jake and O'Brien that it's lunch time?? But now, Jake and O'Brien are trapped with Commander Angry Grouchy Pants.

--Somebody call Garak. Doesn't Sisko have Dukat on speed dial?

--I hate it when the former owners leave a mess.

---Surrendering. Giving up, and not giving up.

--Garak!! There's hope, now. He buys them two whole hours.

--Quark and Odo are funny together. "I should've listened to my father. He always warned me this would happen!" "What? That you'd spend your final hours in jail? I could've told you that."

--Lots and lots and lots of phaser fire.

--OMG, shut up Dukat, and stop the program!!

--I don't understand why Dukat wants Kira's permission to have his men board the station. Why doesn't he just do it? Bring his men aboard, stop the program, and insist his men stay, they're as darn hard to get rid of as he says they'll be. This part, with Dukat bothering to negotiate with Kira, makes zero sense.

Yuh-oh, a moot point. Dukat's screwed, hoisted by his own petard. A nice twist.

--"And now, your integrity is going to get us both killed!" Quark, with the Ferenghi take on the importance of honor.

--Lots o' technobabble, babble, babble, babble. Obstacles, obstacles, obstacles. Overcoming, overcoming, overcoming.

--Your basic "you're about to die!" Trek adventure. Flames, computer counting down . . . will our hero manage to beat the clock?

--Lots of father references. Something about . . . what gets programmed into you?

Rocky start (literally), but I liked it overall.
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Springy
Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 4:35pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: The Abandoned

Watching and commenting:

--A good start, except young, young Jake with that dabo girl, a little uncomfy-making. I like how Quark looks to the heavens to say "no, no, no," when finding the baby.

--What a cute baby. Jake and the gambler seduced by dabo girl, Quark seduced by the Captain selling him the goods, Sisko seduced by baby-cuteness.

--Ummm, baby not so cute anymore. Makes me think of the Ocampans from Voyager, with the rapid aging. Also that shell the baby was in makes me think of Superman.

--Godspeed, Jake. :)

--Kira being very nice and sweet to Odo. She's not trying to seduce him, but she is trying to loosen him up.

--A plant growing from the bucket; a child growing in the infirmary. Odo identifying with the orphan.

--Mardah is also an orphan. And very pretty.

--This is a pretty nasty Jem' Hadar kid.

--How did the kid know what Sisko was talking about with Odo (that the starship was on its way in 5 hrs), and how did he appear in Sisko's office like that??

--So Odo's come home, after learning there are some characteristics you cannot change in people. There's always growth and change, but there's also the unchangeable. Odo learns lessons about his "kid," and Sisko learns lessons about his own kid.

You can impact others, seduce them, prod them, teach them, provoke growth and change - but not everything is knowable or changeable by external influences.

The End.

An average ep. Not particularly spectacular or significant, but a good offering.
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Springy
Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:10am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Second Skin

After reading review and commentary:

--What a funny surprise to read about hot Cardassian women. (Note to self: Consider wearing a reptilian neck extension the next time you hit the bar scene for some action.)

--Surprised to read in the review that there were "no cheats." Eh. Pre-surgery Illiana was the Cardassian clone of Kira. I mean EXACT. Even fooled Dad, exact. Also, though I liked the reveal and thought it was clever, was it really necessary for the OO to go to that pretty wild extreme, to trap Ghemor? Well, it was necessary for the plot, just as the exact match was. As was the reset at the end. It's standard stuff, not criticizing, just don't agree with the "no cheats" assessment.

--I liked seeing more of Cardassia also, though I do wonder just what the treaty with the Federation means to both parties. The Cardassians seem fairly undeterred when it comes to committing acts against the Federation and its citizens.
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Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 9:23am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Second Skin

Watching and commenting:

--Interesting start! Kira can't remember being at a Cardassian Prison. Was she? Hard to say, since there's only one record and one guy to say she was.

--Garak. Being all mysterious, as always.

--Kira is missing. She wakes up as a . . . Cardassian!!! Is this really home?? (Surely not, she's not staying Cardassian anymore than Jean Luc stayed Borg, but hey, interesting and fun so far).

--Hard to figure out what the Cardassians are up to, why they would do this.

--I like Illiana's room. Nicely done.

--Illiana's dad-actor doing a good job. Very convincing.

--Sisko strong arms Garak in a very nice scene.

--Mr Interrogator Cardassian, Entek, looks very like Frankenstein. This actor also doing a good job.

--So . . . Illiana looked and sounded exactly like Kira even before her surgery? How con-veeeen-yent. But Ok. If this is true, then I'm guessing frozen Kira is actually Illiana, and Kira is . . . Kira.

--Those tricky, tricky, Cardassians! Nice resolution to the bewildering Cardassian motives.

--This speculation about where the real Illiana is makes very little sense, as does the idea she was really deployed on Bajor.

Solid ep, some confusing, plot hole type issues, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Garak is really not an OK guy, though he's a great character. Sisko & Co should be more afraid of him than they are.
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Springy
Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 8:28am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S7: Flesh and Blood

@Strejda

I think the Hirogen having holodeck technology is justifiable, though I'm glad the writers didn't bore us with any attempt at justification.

If I was a writer called upon to justify it, I'd say this: The Hirogen are hunters and a nomadic culture, they have been for centuries, and they are spread throughout the Quadrant, in substantial numbers.

Though their large communications array was destroyed, it's been three years since the holodeck was introduced. It's no longer lightening fast to get info from point A to point Z, it's still possible to go from A to B, C, and D, and from there to other points, so that three years later, Z has had the info for awhile.

I would expect such news and tech to spread like wildfire - i.e., as fast and far as it could.

Anyhow, that's how I'd justify it, though I suppose there could be other technobabble that could be used about Hirogen communication or transportation technology.
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Springy
Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 9:43pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Equilibrium

This is very slow moving and dull, with a compilation of our worst actors front and center.

The story is not badly presented, but it just isn't that interesting. The big reveal is a yawner: More people can handle a host than the Commission lets on.

Forgettable.
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Springy
Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 10:07am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S2: Necessary Evil

@Iceman

Way back when DS9 was first on, I watched a few of the first eps, didn't like it, and stopped. I would occasionally watch a DS9 ep if I tripped over it, but I'd be surprised if I watched more than 6 or 7 eps total, over the years.

I remembered only one ep when I started this rewatch: One that I watched randomly and hated, where Jadzia falls so deeply in love, with a man she's known about 3 seconds, that she's willing to give up all her friends and her career for him. I don't know what Season it was, I only remember it because I disliked it sooo much and argued with a friend about it.

So that's the long answer. The short answer is: Yes, it's my first time watching, and thank you, yes, I'll enjoy.
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Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 9:45am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: The House of Quark

Just some quick comments after reading some of the comments:

Miles doesn't automatically give up Molly for 6 months because of some outdated sexist notion that Moms are better. The point here is that HE wants to be the one making the sacrifice this time. He wants HER to choose, this time. If Keiko had asked him to keep Molly for the whole six months, or part of it, he would have done so, gladly. It's plain he's going to miss his wife and daughter. That's the whole idea: sacrifice, love, putting the needs of someone else above your own.

No one is trying to sell the idea that a woman can't possibly be happy as a mom and homemaker. The idea is that Keiko (Keiko, an individual) is struggling with having her career on hold all this time, Miles sees it, and wants to help her.

It's interesting that Quark, a member of the most sexist species we've seen in the Alpha Quadrant, helps Grilka become Head of Household. (I, a single mom, love filing as "Head of Household." Makes me feel all strong and sassy and stuff. House of Springy. Has a nice ring to it. :) )
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Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 9:20am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: The House of Quark

This is really a sweet episode that continues with the family, friends, teamwork, "everyone playing their role," season theme, and adds the notion of sacrifice and respect as being important parts of love.

The title and ep description had me expecting a lame offering, and I was pleasantly surprised.

Loved the Miles and Keiko scenes. They have a great, realistic marriage with a very strong bond. She's made sacrifices and he's appreciative; he tries to cheer her up and she's appreciative. She's trying to figure out a way to get past her school-choosing doldrums and keep her part of the DS9 deal, but Miles decides its his turn to sacrifice a bit, and encourages her to take Molly "only three hours away" for an exciting, 6 month job opportunity. She's appreciative.

In a less sweet, but more dramatic way, we see a somewhat similar dynamic play out with our Odd Couple on Kronos, a storyline which more directly addresses how those close to you can hurt you as well as help you, how it's important to identify the truly loving and trustworthy.

One thing that bothered me was how no one on the station seemed to notice or care that Quark had been kidnapped, but I'll go ahead and ignore that.

Lots of fun touches like the way the "divorce" happened, and good performances from all involved in the main plots.

Just fun and sweet. I liked it very well.
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Sun, Dec 9, 2018, 11:10pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: The Search, Part II

Watching and commenting:

- Odo at home, experiencing "the Link." Seems like a literal interpretation of the whole "bonding/teamwork" idea we've been getting.

--Bashir and Sisko, hanging by a thread. Pointing the phasers, but, look! It's friends.

--What? Founders found too easily, being cooperative for no reason, conquerers claiming they felt all threatened by a few Gamma quadrant incursions from the Federation, none of this makes sense.

-- Very worrisome that Garak is the only one making sense.

--Very slow moving.

--Quark tells us the Jem' Hadar like to gamble. Hmm.

--This suspicious evil behavior from the Admiral and the Founder and the Jem' Hadar is kinda over the top.

--Several references to surprises. I guess we're going to have one?

--That's some pretty quick decision-making to become traitors to the Federation.

--This "they're all having a dream" is a lame surprise. "The changlings are the Founders, are the Dominion," that's a better surprise.

--I like that they have a ship now. Should make for more story opportunities.

--Interesting times ahead for Odo, I suspect.
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Sat, Dec 8, 2018, 10:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: The Search, Part I

Watching and commenting

--Sisko has the Defiant, a surprise for the Dominion.

--Jadzia has fortified herself, in S3, with a more formidable helmet of hair. Every little bit counts.

--What??? The plan is to seek out the Dominion Founders to convince them the Federation is not a threat?? What??? C'mon. No, no, no. What makes them think the Dominion is worried about the Federation being a threat??? Ugh. Disappointing. This i do not buy. This mission makes no sense.

--Chill, Springy. Just chill.

--Already, with the Romulans, we see the Alpha Quadrant players coming together to fight an outside threat. Again with the "friends" talk. The Romulan is not there to make friends, Eddington IS there to make friends. Kira tells Odo she's his friend and he's needed.

--"Rom only has a son to think about, I have a business!!" LOL.

--Lots of stuff about knowing and accepting and playing your role, knowing your part, knowing your strengths, doing your part, knowing where you belong, finding home (DS9 feels like home now, to the Siskos).

--Sisko's gonna leave Dax and O'Brien to the Jem' Hadar.

--Big space fight!!

--Odo and Kira off on a shuttle craft. A class M planet with no star system? How is that possible?

--Odo finds home? An intriguing development.

Not nearly as good as "The Jem' Hadar," but good.

Had a hard time getting over the "this mission makes zero sense" part. The Dominion is plainly about conquering and invading and expanding. Plus they seem more advanced and more powerful than the Federation. But Sisko is taking this huge, life threatening risk, seeking out the Founders to convince them the Federation isn't a threat. What would that accomplish? Blech.
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Sat, Dec 8, 2018, 9:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S2: The Jem'Hadar

Watching and commenting

--Jake and Dad. Dad wants to bond with his son in the Gamma Quadrant, but yuh-oh, Nog's coming. Bummer.

--What's with Morn? We're starting off with lots of talk about friendship and who likes you and doesn't like you. Love Quark and Odo.

--"You won't even know Nog's along!" LOL. And Quark's coming, too! Yay!!!

--More talk about friendship as Quark tries to develop a friendship with Sisko (to exploit it). And we here mention of a past relationship between Keogh and Dax.

--Yeee. Who are these Jem' Hadar??? They don't seem like anyone's friends. Yikes.

--The barrier will kill you. Yes, I suppose barriers can do that. Ben extends the hand of friendship to Eris.

--"I don't know who they are, but they don't look friendly." Nog stating the obvious about the Jem' Hadar, as we hear a form of the word "friend" for the umpteenth time in the ep. "Now that we're all friends, I feel so much better," says Nog.

We're getting beaten over the head here, but the writers aren't quite getting through to me yet.

--Yikes!! The Jem' Hadar is damn scary. We see Eris suggesting a tired Quark be left behind, but Sisko, who knows him, isn't going to do that.

--Oh, dear God, the Odyssey!! Wow. Wow.

--And wow. Alliances, friendships (love, faith, trust, teamwork, loyalty, willingness to take calculated risks together, strong bonds) - that's what their strengths are and that's what they're going to need, to beat back the Dominion.

OK, writers, you got the message through my thick skull.

Very good, marred only by Brook's still sometimes winceworthy acting - but that is truly a minor complaint in an ep this nicely put together.

Yowza. I'm hooked!
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Sat, Dec 8, 2018, 12:27pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S2: Crossover

@Thomas

I definitely disagree with your assessments of Voyager, and feel they did explore the "real" internal journey, for which the external journey was a well-used metaphor. Harry Kim did grow as a character, though not enough, I agree there. B'Ellana grew A LOT. The fits and starts and backtracking were perfectly realistic. If she'd been "all better" in 7 years, after 20+ years of problems, that would have been a true cheat.

I'm not claiming Voyager was perfect, just that I was bewildered by (what strikes me right between the eyes as) relentless nitpicking and exaggeration of real and imagined flaws, all while ignoring, dismissing, or minimizing real virtues. And I see the opposite with DS9.

Anyhow, I broke my promise to let this topic go until the end of DS9 -
but I will now "lock the vault," as Elaine used to say on Seinfeld -
and just relax and enjoy DS9 (and the many smart and interesting comments and reviews here on the site) and whatever it has to offer from here.
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Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 10:03pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S2: The Collaborator

Not a huge fan of the Bajoran stuff, but I do love to watch Fletcher in her Vedek Winn role. She's deliciously nasty.

Bariel is deadly dull; weird match with fiery Kira. Nana V tries valiantly to sell it, but she's truly alone in that effort. She's kissing a cardboard cutout and trying to make it look passionate.

Loved the scene with Kira and Winn, that ends when Winn tells her never to disrespect her like that again. Just perfect. Now, that's some real two-way fire.

I did not like Kai Opaka as a character and I found the justification given for her collaboration quite weak. Also . . . sacrificing her son that way . . . not that believable regardless, but especially because the story didn't convince me it was absolutely necessary.

Sacrificing her (only begotten? ) Son to save others . . . that has a familiar Sunday morning sermon sound to it. Don't know if that's deliberate or not.

A respectable offering.
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