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Spockless
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 8:03pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Blood of Patriots

@Trent
You are so right about "Birthday Cake" This kind of mentality has snuck into social media as well and represents everything I hate about our reactionary YouTube/ Facebook culture .. it seems you can sit there twiddling your thumbs doing nothing, but people out there can create a group that they hate.. slap a label on that group, so it has a name, put YOU in that group, and then make general statements why they don't like you when they are in fact making statements about the group they hate, which they actually created . And yes the word "haters" counts.. anyone who hates TLJ or Captain Marvel are called "haters" and then those people now have a group label for it that they can generalize´╗┐
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Spockless
Sat, Mar 9, 2019, 11:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Blood of Patriots

@Erik

I think it can be both a comedy yet tell (or re-tell) old Trek stories in a way that 20's years of reflection cna offer and the humor pokes fun at Trek conventions but the drama can still be there. I think it's a great way to approach nostalgia.. whereas other franchises bring back old characters to risk ruining them (Spock, Luke skywalker, Superman, Optimus Prime) this looks and feels like 90s Trek so very much, yet the canon is clear.

Also I agree "Krill" is my favorite episode .. it really gelled
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Spockless
Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 8:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Blood of Patriots

@Yanks

I'm the opposite. It's very rare that I'll watch a Discovery episodde more than once, yet I love the Orville, from the professionalism to how it';s shot, to the way it really builds the characters. Discovery is so interested in style, that tehy will show a door at a 90 degree angle so that it looks like a hatch before straightening the cmaera.. and many of the decisions made by characters have the logic of Wile E Coyote episode.. and how the episodes are strung together .. you just have to say "if you say so" to the writers.

The orville on the otehr hand is a throwback to 90's style Trek storytelling. Not every episode is going to knock our socks off, but tehy will give us something to think about. In particular, with this episode, I was really trying to figure out how Mercer kept his cool.. as he hada lot on his plate..the specific's of Orin's plan really wasn't the point.. the point was that Mercer had to do his duty and yet it caused conflict between he and Gordon. Maybe the script could have leaned into that just a bit more, but in the end I was good with it.

The "boarding regulations" seemed a bit off in its humor I will agree. Plus the twelve hour deadline both seemed arbitrary and we had no idea how much time was passing until the last 30 minutes..


The script could have used once more polish, but I liked that it gave us a conflicted Ed, a conflicted Gordon, and a villain that seemed to be having consistent with his story. And the story had a certain logic to it. One thing I like about the Orville is that it IS predictable.. instead of "subverting our expectations" (we all all know how it can ruin something when you try that), it gives us the comfort food of Trek's history..
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Spockless
Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 1:22am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: If Memory Serves

WTH episode was that... the teaser is all kinds of WTF
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Spockless
Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 5:14am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

Sure I could pick apart this episode's conveniences.. but it won't matter.. I love it the way it is.
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 8:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@Troy G if you are going to criticize an episode thanks to a spoken line, get the line correct. All mercer told the Krill captain is that they now have a common enemy. He did not say 'we can be friends now"
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 1:34pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

"Ty's son".. ugh I meant Ty!!!!
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 1:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

Ty's son might be the most important human character in the episode.. showing the the side of emotion, love, and dependency to contrast with all the technology, logic, and cold reality of machines
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 10:30am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@Charles J
Even in the of chance that the epilogue we got is ALL we will get, I still think the writing was sharp enough. Isaac joins the crew, but we are left to wonder about his trustworthiness (which makes him much more interesting now than before as a character), and Even the relationship with the Krill is more interesting.


But considering the Krill are back next week, it seems that what happened won't be ignored.

But Seth's approach is so gloriously old school.. he uses continuity, but he is not obsessed by it.
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 1:29am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@Charles J all the stuff you mentioned is important.,. but I believe it was be threaded into future episodes.. I do not for second think that Seth will ignore any of those points. But this episode was only a two parter so it had to have an ending.
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 1:23am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

I wasn't; trying to do what I said I was against. I WAS saying ios that I LOVE the show for everything it is doing.. everything it is throwing into the pot. And the fact that Seth rEALLY believes in the show and the vision of Trek helps a lot.. it's not a smarmy put-down of Trek
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 1:21am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

The next episode will follow up on the Krill situation
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Spockless
Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 9:22pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@Nikki Exactly. I just enjoy it. It feels like I'm watching "new reruns" of TNG. If Orville wasn't on, I'd probably be watching TNG reruns. I take comfort in seeing things play out on a ship, and the various adventures and dilemmas. I'ts just more escapist stuff. I'm so thankful that Seth has created the look and feel of all of that. I'm thankful that it feels both old and new. that it's not always so serious, but it is sincere.
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Spockless
Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 5:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@GG

Everyone is damn concerned about classyfying things, just like everyone is more concerned about where and when something fits into a continuity. these are sad obsessions when taken too far.

Why can't Orville be all of those things. The owners of sTar Trek want to oversedign and overdirect the franchise.. they want to mine nostalgia without respecting canon. Why can't we have a show that is filmed in the style of 90's Trek, that can poke fun at the conventions we've poked fun of for years watching the reruns. This is a show MADE for the 40-year-old fan who wants to have a beer and enjoy it. We still want good Trek-like stories. We still want the look and feel of what we had in the 90s. But they're also improving things in certain ways, paying tribute to things in other ways. What is wrong with that? Seriously. The people that are so quick to classify and diss this show are the same hypocrits that will pay to see the Lion King remake, and justify how cool it is that we can now see every single hair on the lion's body. Or that don't mind that there are a gazillion superhero films out now but they are all derivatives of Superman.

Let us enjoy this show
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Spockless
Fri, Mar 1, 2019, 12:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@Geronitius watch episode again. He was on a Krill fighter as he went to contact the Krill.. and was coming back from that

Surprised when Talla got shot. Also since gravity on her world is different for some reason I was surprised that she was able to be easily carried.. wouldn't her weight be different? Mercer carried her as if she was a little girl
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Spockless
Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 1:41pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part I

Orville is awesome. It is the most effective way to do Nostalgia.. instead of bringing back old characters (Luke Skywalker, Superman, Optimus Prime, Spock) and ruining them, Orville takes a different approach
sure you can call it a Star trek ripoff.. and I would not argue that point. Clearly it is. But it was done with obvious affection. And by having a clear canon, and yet placing us in the kind of look and feel of where we were in the 90's you've levelled up the nostalgia. It is both new and old, it's funny, and insightful.
I didn't mind when the original Battlestar Galactica ripped off Star Wars visually.. it kicked ass. Every superhero (bar none) is a ripoff of Superman yet people LOVE this superhero trend)
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Spockless
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Deflectors

NS8401 RElationships ARE the premise of the show.. it's even in some of the taglines..One tagline went something like "In the future there has been lots of changes in technology. Relationships: not so much"

The show is not and never wa about battles. It's ABOUT relationships
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Spockless
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Deflectors

@Jack

Sure, they can do it directly now without clunky metaphors..

They CAN.. but what made trek great was the fact it had the metaphors, thinly veiled and obvious, but metaphors just the same.. it's something that is missing from TV now, and I enjoy the throwback
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Spockless
Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 9:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Saints of Imperfection

Guess we are not getting Spock next episode either.. just their way of making us subscribe to this for another month
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