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Sat, Oct 14, 2017, 2:20am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S1: The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry

Now the space moved! lol

ran dom space s for l inks I gue ss.

In the second link remove the space between 'these' and '-animals' :D
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Sat, Oct 14, 2017, 2:18am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S1: The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry

None of my links ever seem to work. If you want to see it, remove the space between 'animals' and '-can'. Someone likes adding spaces to things I guess.
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Sat, Oct 14, 2017, 2:15am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S1: The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry

Speaking of things that survive in outer space, not too long ago it was discovered that tardigrades (water bears) can live in space. Which I would have to assume is where the idea for the spore monster came from.

Here is one of many articles about them.

My favourite quote from that is:

"Nor are they indestructible. 'We work with active animals and they're quite easily murdered,' he said. 'We kill thousands of them every day.'" lol
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Fri, Oct 13, 2017, 12:49am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S1: The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry

Also I think it's a little disingenuous to say the depiction of Klingons is racist because they have sort of dark skin and do bad things, when Mike has sort of dark skin and is the hero and does good things. Well, she hasn't done many good things yet, but you know what I mean. :D

Anytime any character that has dark skin does something negative, it's suddenly racist. That's a very racist attitude to have. All people (and aliens) of all colors do bad things.
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Fri, Oct 13, 2017, 12:36am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S1: The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry


'...I agree that the Klingons really do come across as alien and impenetrable. But they also play into many of our stereotypes about primitives. And some of those stereotypes are pretty racist, from the extremely dark skin to the cannibalism'

I agree with Dr Franklin. I don't see how they are primitive or being depicted as if they are. After all they are just as advanced as the humans technologically. And the only one with extremely dark, nearly black, skin was T'Kuvma and he was the hero and saviour of the Klingon people. All the rest of them are sort of greyish color, except the albino of course. And the Klingons have always eaten at least the hearts of others, so that's nothing all that new. I don't see them as anything but aliens, with alien skin and an alien culture, not something analagous to a primitive African tribe of cannibals as you seem to insinuate.

@Dr Franklin

'They ate Georgiou's body because they were starving.'

I don't think that's the case. Unless they were starving after about 2 days, or else preserved her body to eat later. Otherwise, she would be quite decomposed by the time they got that hungry I imagine. I think the writers did that just to make them seem more ruthless and alien and evil to us humans.
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Thu, Oct 12, 2017, 11:40am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S1: The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry


'The Discovery destroyed the Klingons by dumping a bunch of photon torpedoes and then spore drivin' the hell out of there when they detonated. As somebody else pointed out above though, wouldn't that have also taken out half of the colony since their shields were down and it looked to be 100 feet above the ground?'

Thanks. I went back and looked at it again and saw the torpedos, and yes it would seem that the colony would have been blasted to bits.

I had assumed that the spore drive left some sort of spatial vortex that destroyed the ships or something, cuz why not? It does a bunch of other unexplainable things. But that's one thing about it solved for me. Too bad there are 50 other unexplainable things left to go.
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Thu, Oct 12, 2017, 2:28am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S1: The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry

First, I just wanted to say that I find it annoying to sit and read about how TNG is better than VOY or how Sisko is better than Archer when I'm came here to read about DIS.


When they were in the turbolift, they didn't have handles to hold on to and twist like they did in TOS, and that was sort of a joke in the tribble DS9 episode. They didn't know how the turbolift worked. Would liked to have seen those since it's supposed to be 10 years before TOS. A very minor point. :D

What's with the phasers and pistols? They have Star Wars blasters in this one. Instead of a steady beam, they are shooting laser blasts.

As far as the Klingons eating people, they only ate the hearts of their enemies, not the whole person. In this episode they talk about eating Georgiou's whole body and licking meat off of her skull. A bit uncanon maybe.

The ship graveyard is in Federation space, and they come rescue the crew of the Shenzhou, but leave it and all the other ships adrift? Not even taking the dilithium or anything actually important apparently. And not noticing the giant disabled Klingon ship still sitting there with a full crew on it? For 6 months?

And of course there is the stupid security officer that opens the pen to kill herself or whatever. And then Mike does the same thing a little bit later, just opens the pen right up with no precautions whatsoever. Because she has a hunch that the thing will like spores and is actually a big puppy and not eat her face? Ok then. But of course she's right and instead of eating her face it licks her instead. Awwww.

And Mike tricked Saru into coming to the pen to see if his 'threat ganglia' will act up by faking an apology. Which is a shitty thing to do. Why couldn't she just ask him down there to get his opinion without doing the whole fake apology business and making herself look like an ass?

I know why. Because everyone on the show, except Saru, is either annoying or an asshole or both.

Why does the saucer spin? I don't get it.

On to this silly spore drive thing.

So the Glenn was researching this drive for months and finally got it working by using the 'Ripper'. Fine. So why did they crash and die if it was working? Why did they not tell anyone at all that they got it to work using a giant microscopic monster they magically found in their cargo hold? That would have been some information you'd have thought they would share with someone. Like maybe Discovery who was working on the same freaking thing? Makes no sense.

How did the spore drive kill all of the Klingon ships at the outpost? Didn't really show or explain how or why that happened.

And the Ripper can travel across the galaxy using these spore things, and that's how it got onto the Glenn. It teleported in to eat their spores or something. So why can't it teleport back out? Why was it stuck there? Why is it stuck on Discovery? Can't it teleport itself anywhere in the galaxy? Maybe it needs the spores to do it or something, but they keep giving it spores all the time, even letting it loose in the spore garden. So that makes no sense.

How are they forcing it to go where they want to go? Why wouldn't it go where it wanted to instead? How can they see the map of the entire galaxy that's in the thing's head? Was the Ripper microscopic and grew? It looks exactly like an earth tardigrade. If that's what it is, does that mean that the earth tardigrades can travel around the galaxy? Or is it just a coincidence that some giant space monster and a microscopic earth creature look exactly the same?

The whole spore drive thing makes no sense at all.

And if the Ripper gets super pissed off anytime anyone threatens it or hurts it, why doesn't it go berserk everytime it's tran-spore-ted to the spore drive and smash the hell out of it? It knows it's going to be hurt again, but it just sits there.

And the Klingons were a little bit better this time, but still pretty awful.

2 stars.
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