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Skabs
Sat, Jan 27, 2018, 12:57am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

I still think Lorca has something to do with Section 31. Maybe he's not from the MU, and was sent there by them. And maybe he was assigned Discovery to do that. Since it has a spore drive, and also it's designation is NCC-1031. Not to mention the symbols on the ship that others mentioned.

I can't get over the fact that's it's NCC-1031. That seems significant to me. It may be nothing, but it sure seems to be a very big hint that it's run by Section 31.

And as I've said before, I don't like that they are spending so much time in the MU. It should be used for established characters to have some fun and to be over the top. Not treated so seriously as Discovery is treating it and integrating it into the main plot of the show.
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Skabs
Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 6:46pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

I thought this was a thread about Star Trek: Discovery. I guess I'm in the wrong place.
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Skabs
Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 5:20pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

@Shannon

'I'm not talking about reviewers like you that have been even-handed in your reviews (that's a compliment, by the way, and I won't call you a name which is a courtesy you did NOT bestow upon me).'

I wasn't aware that I 'called you a name'. If you are referring to when I said I thought you had a juvenile attitude, that's not really calling you a name. I didn't call you 'stinkypants' or anything. I described what I thought your attitude was. That's how I saw it and if it offended you, I didn't mean to. But I certainly didn't 'call you a name'. But you accusing me of 'calling you a name' certainly doesn't make me think you're attitude is any less juvenile.

Stinkypants.
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Skabs
Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 9:21am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

@LJ

'MU Stamets' consciousness was inside the mycelial plane and the mycelial plane was being put inside his head (by Tilly's experiment in the real world), leading the mycelial plane to resemble Stamets' thoughts.'

That doesn't explain why Culber was suddenly alive and acting as if he was real. He even says 'I remember your arms around me. You made me feel safe. You always did.' I guess it could all be in Stamet's head, but I doubt it, and most of the rest of it doesn't make any sense either. The network seems to be alive, and capable of doing some sort of telepathy or something. Resembling Stamet's thoughts doesn't cover even 1/2 of what happened. Besides MU Stamet's explicitly says that the mycelial network 'knows what is familiar' to PU Stamets, which is why he is on Discovery in his 'dream' world or whatever it is.

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'No, they don't have the Spore Drive in the MU. MU Stamets apparently never got around to developing it. How did he get trapped in the mycelial plane? Again, this will probably be explained in a future episode.'

And you know this how? MU Stamets says he's been doing experiments and talks to PU Stamets about the 'Mycelial highway' and other things, so it sure sounds like they have it, or at least know it's possible, and have been experimenting with it.

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@Yair

"Didn't MU Archer order the Defiant library erased precisely to avoid its incendiary content?"

'Yeah, he did alright. He was then killed by MU Hoshi, so his orders were never executed to the letter.'

I think that was just a blatant error. Not remembering or caring what happened on ENT.

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'Lorca didn't have a plan....'

That and everything you said after that is complete supposition. Except for the part about getting Mike so he could get on the Emperor's ship, since they said that exact thing in this episode.

It pretty much flat out stated in this episode that everything Lorca did so far has been part of some elaborate plan.

I think you are reading much more into things than what was actually presented on screen. Which is fine, but don't claim it's true and then tell people they are wrong because they think something else, when no one knows the truth yet, including you.
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Skabs
Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 12:22am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

@Shannon

'Wow, this series just can't please some people, can it. Perhaps those of you that have been consistently bashing this series should just stick to reruns of the other Star Trek series for which you seem to be longing.'

Personally, I've given several DIS episodes 3 stars, which is pretty good, and only one episode below a 2, so for the first season of a Star Trek show, it compares quite well with the others.

Saying people who criticize some of the episodes (on a critic's website no less) should stop watching the show is a pretty juvenile attitude to take.

If you love DIS so much that you can't stand to hear anyone saying anything bad about it, that's your problem.
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Skabs
Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 10:18pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

@LJ

'I figured all of this simply watching the show and paying attention. It's simple enough if you're not watching the show already thinking you're going to hate it and not thus not really following its story. '

Thanks for assuming that we hate DIS and don't follow the story, btw. But my point was that they introduce so much stuff with no explanation whatsoever of how or why it's happening. I'd rather watch a show where I don't have to hypothesize about 75% of it, only to have it explained later or left unexplained or ending up with some 'surprise twist'.

I know it's serialized but that doesn't mean that every single episode has to have 10 different unanswered questions, that may or not be answered some other time. That smacks of amateur writing to me. They can't create real suspense or drama, so they replace it with plot twists and loose ends that create a false sense of suspense and drama.
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Skabs
Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 5:53pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

Not that this show made a whole lot of sense before, but now it makes no sense at all.

I could buy the spore drive/mycelial network before (barely), but now? What happened in this episode? Is the network sentient? Is it heaven, or purgatory or something? How is it creating all these illusions and why? Did it create Culber or was it Stamets that created him? Why would it trap Stamets there, then tell him how to leave? Why would PU Stamets opening his eyes set both Stamets free? What the hell is going on?

So they had the spore drive in the MU too apparently, since MU Stamets got trapped in the network, so why did Georgiou act like she had never heard of it when Mike told her how they got there? It was being researched on her ship after all. Or maybe they were just working on it, but hadn't made it functional yet, but then why was MU Stamets in the network? PU Stamets only got there after making over a hundred jumps. How did MU stamets get in there? What's going on?

I thought Voq had taken over Ash completely last episode, yet he appears and asks Saru for help in this one. L'Rell 'killed' Voq's personality? Or did she? Why would they have Klingon mind wipe glove thingies on the ship? Why did she get the original Voq/Ash procedure all backwards when she explained it? A writing goof or actual plot? What's going on?

And now supposedly this whole thing has been a complicated plot by Lorca to do...something. But that makes no sense. How did he know he would get posted as captain of Discovery? How would he know it had a spore drive? He recruited Mike before the spore drive was even working properly. How would he know that it could travel to the MU? What a coincidence that Stamets went mental and they couldn't just turn immediately around and go back to the MU. I don't buy it. It's like the writers had this idea and then forced all the plot points to make it happen, instead of making it subtle. This thing had to happen, so it did, then this thing had to happen, so it did. No real logical story progression behind it, just make it all these things happen so Lorca can do his plan, whatever it is.

So many twists and turns and reveals and then more twists and why? Just once I'd like to watch this show and understand what is happening without having to wait 3 more episodes to know what happened in the episode I just watched.

2 stars.
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