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Springy
Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 2:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Turnabout Intruder

I watched "For the Love of Spock" on Netflix last night. I couldn't find a thread for it, so am posting here to say I recommend it to any ST fan. It's done by Leonard's son, Adam, so it's not some hard, thorough, objective look; it's not meant to be. But neither is it all sweetness and light. It's a loving, honest tribute by a son to a father.

My favorite part was the letter Leonard wrote Adam, and George T telling about how Leonard insisted he and Nichelle ne included in the animated series. Leonard was nowhere near perfect, but it was plain he did his best and worked very, very hard.

An interesting man, an interesting life, an interesting documentary.

@Chrome, thanks for your thoughts and info on TNG.
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Springy
Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 9:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: One

@Sooty

I saw this nearly a year ago, and I say this without a rewatch, so grain of salt, but I believe Tom leaving his chamber was one of Seven's hallucinations.
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Springy
Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 9:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

@Gholam

An interesting take, well presented.

I don't believe the ep was being so specific as you do (commenting specifically on sexuality or gender identity) , but I agree the ep provides some general commentary on accepting "freaks."

If there's a chance to make the "freak" normal, should we take the chance? What if it's against the "freak's will? It makes me think of deaf people who refuse ocular implants. Do their hearing friends and family want them to have the surgery more for themselves, than for the deaf person?

What is there to lose, what is there to gain - for all involved? And whose needs get priority?

Anyhow, thanks for the thinky thoughts.
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Springy
Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 8:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Turnabout Intruder

@Peter G

Great points about what the TOS actors, particularly Shatner, were called upon to do, and how well they managed.

@William B and Jammer, thanks for your nice words. I love having this site to share my thoughts. I never dreamed there was such an active, interesting site for these older shows.
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Springy
Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 11:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Turnabout Intruder

I see Jammer doesn't have Season wrap up threads for TOS, so I'll put my final thoughts here:

I enjoyed watching TOS more than I thought I would. I wasn't at all surprised by the cheesiness, the occasional and laughably over-the-top Shatnerisms, the in-your-face sexism, or the wince-worthy preachiness of some eps. I knew to expect these things, so I took them in stride.

Things that did surprise me:
--Nimoy. Wow, he's really good.
--The chemistry of the Big Three - never since repeated.
--Shatner is mostly pretty good. It's just that when he's bad, he's awful. The awfulness was what stuck in my brain from long ago, but that was unfair. Brooks was definitely worse than Shatner. I had assumed the opposite.
== How interminable much of Season 3 felt. There was boring episode after boring episode. But enough occasional sparks to keep me going.
--Though McCoy's bewildering obstinacy about Spock's stoicism was often annoying, the likeable Kelly managed to be the real charmer of the trio.
--With the exception of Scotty, really, really poor development of any characters outside the Big Three.

I liked (not in order): Tribbles, Yesterdays, City, Wink of an Eye, Charlie, Menagerie, Space Seed, Mirror, Piece of the Action, Other Side of Paradise.

I may try going through TNG again, next. not sure.
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Springy
Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:03pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Turnabout Intruder

William B, Peter G

The conclusion, in the ep, is not that Janice was driven mad by her inability to fulfill her dream, but by her unnatural desire for power and her inability to accept her womanhood.

Peter, your middle-finger theory is very generous, but doesn't jive, for me. I certainly agree that "the oppressive system became a self fulfilling prophecy" is the right read on this . . . but I think the ep's message is "Look what happens when a woman craves power instead of accepting her natural, womanly role."

When Kirk twice says "if only" at the end, he means "if only she hadn't been so unnaturally obsessed and power hungry!" not "if only the system had allowed her a chance to live her dreams!"

There's room for interpretation, but that's mine.

It was interesting, though, that McCoy didn't find any significant difference in "Kirk's" emotional and psychological makeup from when he first became a captain. In that, there is a hint of "huh, maybe Janice COULD have become a great captain."

But that hint is overwhelmed by the explicit talk of how sad it is she can't accept her womanhood, how awful her desire for power is, and how "Kirk's" behavior makes McCoy's findings nearly unbelievable.

Roddenberry . . . he was somewhat ahead of his time, but still, a man of his time.

I accept TOS for what it is - like most granddaddies, a very mixed bag.
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Springy
Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 7:19am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Turnabout Intruder

Shatner is hard to watch in this stinker. Really hammed it up.

What a surprise and disappointment to learn that, on TOS, Starship captaincy was forbidden to women in the 23rd century. Roddenberry certainly had his limitations of vision.

The way it ends, how Kirk says Janice could have been happy "if only," was especially galling and awful.

Well, @William B, you weren't wrong that this was an awful way to go out. Yesterdays would have made a much better closer.

I think I need a dose of Captain Janeway.
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Springy
Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 5:38am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: All Our Yesterdays

A good episode. There are some inconsistencies but nothing out of the ordinary. Nimoy does a great job selling his transformation and his love for Zarabeth - yes, it's quickie romance, but we can believe Zarabeth falls in love quickly because of her desperate situation: alone in a frozen wasteland. I think Spock is figuratively is the same. He even mentions understanding her loneliness. McCoy's outburst about Zarabeth's desperation doesn't only apply to her.

Loved Mr Atoz, well cast and well done. The Kirk part was the weakest part of the ep, but it didn't drag and held my interest. The supporting cast did well and Shatner did OK.

Good closing with Spock's line about the lovely Zarabeth having been dead and buried 5,000 years. Just like Vulcan emotions.

Definitely the best ep of the season and one of the best in the series.
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Springy
Sun, Jun 9, 2019, 11:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Savage Curtain

Abe Lincoln floating in space? Strange and unconvincing, but the ep was kinda fun. The lava monster was fun, even if his reasoning made no sense. Surak was a nice addition.

Average as average can be.
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Springy
Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 10:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Way to Eden

Not good, but not the worst of the series or season. Requiem, right before this, was much worse.

It's just one more silly episode, in a sea of them.
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Springy
Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 11:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Requiem for Methuselah

Awful.

The concept was great, but again, the execution was an utter failure.

So much stupid it's impossible to list it all, though the worst part was the "romance."

Ugh. Well below average.
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Springy
Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 10:36pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Cloud Minders

I accidentally watched this before Requiem or Eden, so I'll have to go back to those.

The special effects for the cloud city were good, though it made little sense. Why build a city in the clouds? Was it the only city in the entire planet? One city and everyone else lives in caves in the surface?

I liked Vanna, though I'd have liked her even better if she'd beat Kirk senseless at some point. Droxine and Spock just did not work.

Obvious theme about the effect of a toxic environment, and the vicious circle its citizens can find themselves trapped in.

The usual silliness all over the place, but still slightly above average.
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Springy
Tue, Jun 4, 2019, 11:10pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Lights of Zetar

Got super bored with this one about 2/3rds through I'd say - could barely hang in. Scotty may have been in love, but I wasn't. It was hard to care about Mira or the not-so-good people of Zetar.

Scotty insistence that his One True Love's weird symptoms were just space sickness was an unbelievable and irritating plot device.

Some kind of brain (Spock) vs heart (McCoy) vs soul (Scotty) theme, I guess. In the end, they all agree Mira is a fine, strong lass.

Not much happened. Just blah.

Below average.
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Springy
Tue, Jun 4, 2019, 9:27am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: That Which Survives

Spock was noticeably different in this one, though I thought that was kinda fun and one of the best aspects of the episode. Sometimes people have bad days, are more irritable and critical than usual - I didn't see this portrayal as an . . . impossible version of Spock. It was cranky Spock.

I liked seeing a bit more of Sulu.

The story itself - an OK premise, not great on the execution.

Average.

(I'm truly dragging myself through these final eps. But I do plan to get through them.)
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Springy
Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 10:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Mark of Gideon

Very weird premise, not particularly well done. They hold life in such reverence they don't even believe in birth control, but they're willing to artificially introduce a killer virus to kill off thousands.

Thank goodness humans are perfectly consistent in these matters.

Onward.
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Springy
Fri, May 31, 2019, 6:59am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Let That Be Your Last Battlefield

Flawed, but a classic nevertheless.

For its time, a brave and straightforward tackling of the subject of racism. The startling reveal that the "big difference" is "which side is which" is very creative, memorable, and effective. I mean - it is a truly large physical difference, yet one aliens (and the viewer) aren't likely to even notice. But those two are obsessed with it, and attach all sorts of significance to it.

I like how they hid this large difference in plain sight. The viewer's surprise sends the message much better than preachy Kirk. I also like that the effect of the difference is that they are mirror images of each other.

The ep does falter in its mission by being more about hate in general than racism in particular, but still: A classic.

Above average for sure.
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Springy
Wed, May 29, 2019, 11:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Whom Gods Destroy

One of the absolute worst. Repetitive and mind numbingly boring, with cringe worthy acting.

Bottom of the barrel. I envm


I would watch it again if you paid me, but only if you paid me. At least $25.
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Springy
Tue, May 28, 2019, 6:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Spectre of the Gun

@William B

"The episode gets points off for not making a "Chek[h]ov's gun" joke."

Good one.

And thanks for the All Our Yesterdays vs Turnabout Intruder info.

I'm hanging in there with this - I like getting all this background. I've seen most of the eps before, but very long ago - my memories of them are sporadic and vague, so it's good to see what started it all, and see what some of the TNG, VOY, and DS9 eps were based on.
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Springy
Tue, May 28, 2019, 4:56am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Elaan of Troyius

I wonder how Kirk would respond if Star Fleet told him that in order to keep peace in the Quadrant, he was going to have to marry a green skinned Queen of another planet, and go there to live as her dutiful husband for the rest of his life?

I'm sure he'd either comply or quietly give up his commission and leave Star Fleet.

Had some fun elements, but mostly ruined by preachy, arrogant Kirk.
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Springy
Mon, May 27, 2019, 3:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Empath

Katherine Hayes does a good job, IMO. Her make up is sort of frightening, but I don't blame her for that. She does a good job conveying what she's thinking and feeling. She's a good actress.

The episode - it's hard to buy into the idea that the Vians are noble, after they kill the researchers, etc.

Agree for the most part with William B's assessment of the situation - they're caught between the warmlyemotional Gem, and the super-cold logic of the Vians. The humans, including half human Spock, bridge the gap.

Gem sounds a lot like Jim, and I think the warm - cold spectrum placement goes Gem, Jim, Bones, Spock, Vians.

I didn't like the ep all that well. Hard to stay interested. Average offering.
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Springy
Mon, May 27, 2019, 2:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Wink of an Eye

Definitely requires major suspension of disbelief, but I'm game.

An interesting premise, not repetitive like so many others, except for the Kirk-as-babe-magnet thing, which is endlessly repeated and ever-ooky, but I have come to accept it.

As someone mentions above, the "Kirk putting his boot on" scene is what this ep is known for. Caused quite a lot of chatter.

Loved Spock fixing the whole ship in moments, by staying behind.

Didn't like the ending . . . why didn't they share their "cure?" But again, so much of it made so little sense, the ep can't really be enjoyed if you worry on that score.

Above average.
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Springy
Sun, May 26, 2019, 11:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Plato's Stepchildren

The best part of this was Alexander. Excellent work from the actor. The relationship with Kirk worked well

The worst part was the gratuitous, repetitive scenes of humiliation and torture. The part where African Uhura's white "boss" whips her was most cringeworthy of all.

I think this was a story about how absolute power corrupts absolutely. So many years of luxury and power have left the powerful totally twisted and vile. Only the powerless Alexander retains his decency and humanity.

Ending is weak.

Overall, Alexander lifts this to above average.
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Springy
Fri, May 24, 2019, 3:38am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Tholian Web

Some goofy stuff going on and things don't make much sense, but overall, a good, entertaining story is told.

The McCoy Spock stuff was a bit awkward and overdone, but still the best part.

I'm having a hard time getting through TOS, but I'm going to persevere to the end.

This messy, goofy, awkward offering seems above average to me.

How many more of these do I have?
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Springy
Thu, May 23, 2019, 2:23am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky

A great concept, poorly executed.

The McCoy Instant Big Romance was more convincing than Jadzia's in Meridian, because at least he had the excuse of terminal illness to explain his crazy decision. But points off this ep right there, for making me think of Meridian.

Very little chemistry though the actors were charismatic enough. Natira looked about 20 yrs younger than the Doc, which didn't help. And there was almost zero interaction before undying love was declared. Ugh.

Some good Spocky moments and I liked the interaction with Christine.

I think maybe there was meant to be some parallel between McCoy's hollowness and the asteroid's, and how crisis can reveal what's lacking and give direction and purpose to our journeys.

Average.
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Springy
Thu, May 23, 2019, 1:56am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Day of the Dove

Plusses: Getting a bit of emotion out of Spock. Michael Ansara.

Minuses: Boring because of repetitive stretches and its insanely obvious predictability. Who didn't know, right from the beginning, when Kirk was remembering things differently from Kang, where this was going?

Below average.
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