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Aaron Bryant
Mon, May 17, 2021, 5:01am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Starship Mine

@Trish Hutch was not the only death overlooked in this episode, but also those of Kelsie's accomplices, including those only subdued by Picard, who made a point of that fact in both cases, but would later perish in the baryon sweep.

This episode is a good premise but just has too many loose ends. Why did Kelsie need the money? Why did her team not suspect she would betray them to remove their splits of the earnings? What was Arkania base's role in the plot? It all could've been executed a lot better, I think particularly if the motivation was something other than profit. Look at 11001001 from season 1 for a comparison.
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Ryan Gilmore
Mon, Feb 8, 2021, 2:51am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Survivors

The reveal of the episode is very good. I always thought, however, that Picard's line, "We have no law for your crime" seemed bizarre and totally out of character, and more of a way to quickly conclude the episode. Laws against genocide existed since the 20th century, and Picard, being a highly moral character, should have stated Kevin committed one of our worst crimes. It may have been more in character simply just to say that he was too powerful an alien to bring to justice.
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David Ryan
Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 11:37am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

So, having now seen some of The Mandalorian, I find the extent to which the sequels (and in my opinion Rogue One and Solo as well) turned out to be "swing and a miss" completely baffling. There are clearly people with good ideas about the Star Wars universe, with the potential to come up with coherent stories which are sympathetic to what came before and still come up with something new and interesting, and yet...well, you get the picture. It's just so frustrating, and as a fan it does make me wonder where on earth Disney will take things next (beyond The Mandalorian and the proposed Rogue One prequel).

I guess with hindsight, the first warning sign was when they declared all of the 'Legends' material non-canon, regardless of how well received or thought out it was. What was got instead seemed so half-baked it's taken several retcon books and comics to try and make some sense of things. I think for me the whole idea of a new Republic knowing how the Empire came to exist and still doing so little about the First Order setting up shop on its doorstep just beggared belief too much to take it seriously. The 'Legends' stories had their fair share of swings and misses, don't get me wrong, but at least it didn't seem like the entire galaxy had had a collective bout of amnesia or become extremely naive.

As I said before, more's the pity. Here's hoping if there are any more films they've learned something from this experience at least.
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Ryan Talbot
Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 6:14am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: The Sanctuary

Great... Adira is now a "they" which is most the ridiculous way to describe a singular person. You could feel the script writers and the woke management masturbating at the "moment" they had created in the camera work on Stamets when Adira "came out".

Over dramatic, over emotional and yet so very shallow .... I literally spent the entire show shopping for a new couch, the billions of dollars they spunk up the wall on effects is wasted when there isn't a story worth telling. Why can I rewatch a TNG/DS9 and god forbid VOY episode I've seen a dozen times ... yet can't be bothered to focus fully on a fresh episode of DSC?

If only Ira was more people savvy and could grab a 2-3 season run out of them to give us an alternative to bullshit (Discovery), more bullshit (Picard) and the rest of the utter tripe these folks are churning out.
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J Ryan
Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 7:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Jammer wrote, "And everyone is very sad, and it's all laid on very thick with everyone crying, and my thought was: "Really? This is how they kill off a legendary character?""

And at that moment, Jammer, you knew how I felt when I saw Kirk's pathetic send off in Generations.

James T deserved so much better.
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Sun, May 17, 2020, 4:48am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Good to see that most people aren't buying the way the show so casually tries to excuse the murder of Maddox. All the characters seem to quickly forgive and forget because they're all one big happy family now, but that won't bring Maddox back.

Even though they brought back Culber, and Tyler arguably had a better excuse, not everyone completely forgave or forgot Tyler for what Voq did, or if they did, it took a while. Agnes will ultimately face the law, but will either be pardoned or found not guilty in short order because, like Tyler, her place in the show is assured not by the audience's approval but because the creators have an overriding respect for the actor.

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Sun, May 17, 2020, 1:07am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Broken Pieces

"What you are about to experience will drive some of you mad, but those of you who endure will be stronger. Witness what must be prevented. Endure Star Trek: Discovery... if you can..."

Well, she had a point. Having lived through that certainly made Star Trek: Picard a lot more tolerable, right guys? ...Guys?

*notices all the corpses* Ohh...


Seven of Nine: "Where's Hugh? What is happening on this cube?!"

You said it, Seven. Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the cube-side of the plot throughout the whole series.


Jurati says she's decided to stop murdering people now so it makes total sense to allow her and Soji to be in a room alone together. It took a long time for Soji to finally trust Picard but all it takes from the person who just killed her creator (or would Maddox be more of a midwife?) are a few words of excitement and praise about how unique she is?
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David Ryan
Tue, May 5, 2020, 2:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

I waited until it became available on Disney+, mainly because I couldn't stomach paying to see it at the cinema or renting it but I wanted to give it a shot (especially since I'd seen the other 8, for better or worse).

My wife's instant reaction isn't printable, so I'll sum mine up as follows:

For a fan of the first six Star Wars films and the computer games, plus some of the wasn't worth the wait. To be honest, none of the sequels were. I wasn't too impressed with Rogue One either (which is probably more controversial). Disney just doesn't seem to know what to do with Star Wars films (although I've heard good things about The Mandalorian so maybe there's hope yet).

More's the pity.
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J Ryan
Mon, Mar 30, 2020, 12:12pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Maps and Legends

Ok, my bad. I watched the scene again and he says Raffi, not Beverly. Oops.
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Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 8:04am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2


I was referring to a subset of fans. Some love it unconditionally, some enjoyed it but had some issues, some didn’t like it overall but had constructive criticism and some likes, and others thought it was complete trash.

That last group had two subgroups. Those who think it was terrible and are moving on, and those who hated every word, every line, flame the producers, and wouldn’t miss the next episode for the world. They hated 90s Trek, complained every week on AOL message boards, or at least their parents did, and will return in a few weeks to flame on Discovery despite hating the first two seasons.

At least they’re consistent.

We are all looking at Picard through a TNG lense.

“But he’s not Picard! He’s different!”

Well, yeah. He’s 94 and had a falling out with Starfleet.

“Some of the writing wasn’t great or things were rushed!”

Well, sure. Seven and Raffi happened off screen and is likely foreshadowing for next season. Both have difficult pasts they’re trying to overcome, and Episode 5 showed that Seven is bisexual, if that’s even a label in the 25th century.

The ban lifting happened offscreen. Somewhere there’s a short where Kirsten Clancy can’t find Oh or Rizzo anywhere and figures out she’s been had, it’s all a big conspiracy, and the Federation Council, all apparently dealing with angry phone calls about the ban for 15 years, are happy to do the right thing.

I forget who posted since last night but...blanking on her name...Soji’s bronze sister there had the frequency to hail Control or whatever those things were...presumably Data’s brother will remove that information before reactivating her.

Agnes? Seemed happy. Was under Oh duress when she pulled the trigger. We’ll see what happens in season two. It’s the biggest qualm with the season for me, but easily fixable.
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Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 9:23pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

As a lifelong Trek fan who was active on the message boards twenty years ago, it always astounds me the fans who professionally hate every aspect of every scene, without exception, and extend that to label #NuTrek all trash, every last bit of it, but who watch every episode, and will be back with the Season 2 Picard premiere to keep trashing over it.

I’ve had episodes of series I’ve hated, and vowed never to watch again.

I never watched again. That was it.

There is no possible way any episode, under any showrunner, director or actors, would satisfy you, under any circumstances.

Be healthy, and try to find joy.
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J Ryan
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 3:10pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Maps and Legends

Just saw this episode. It was good. Like how they're setting up the players in the story and Picard's status (in the world and with his health). I've got a question, and forgive me if I missed comment on it in the thread above....

Am I the only one who heard Picard say, after he put on his communicator, "Beverly, this is Jean Luc, please don't disconnect. I need your help. I need a ship."

Later he tells someone (don't remember who) that he's already made the call about a ship.

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Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 8:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag


"That decision (though) did not have to succeed. I think I remember someone calling it "catching lightning in a bottle". That is rare. Basically, the success of TNG was practically an accident. No one really knows exactly what made it work. So what did they do? Well, they thought they could do it again with a completely different cast and so forth and it has been less successful (and palatable) each time. "

If TNG came out during the age of the Internet, the fans would have torn it to shreds. Fans who grew up on Kirk and Spock and McCoy and brought Star Trek back from the dead sitting down to Encounter at Farpoint, Naked Now and Code of Honor? We're on episode five of Picard, so they'd be up to that wonderful episode, The Last Outpost, with the introduction of the killer Ferengi.

TNG today is colored by nostalgia. We all grew up on it and watched it with our parents. We introduced it to our kids who watched it new like we watched TOS. It reminds us of being teenagers. We flocked to message boards to hear spoilers of how they'd resolve the cliffhanger, and we likely complained quite a bit about it.

Off topic, but another reason Disco and Picard feel different? I grew up on 90s Trek. It was on the air from September to May. It ran the school year. I spent summers out and about and catching up on spoilers when I could. It was a weekly constant, whether reruns or original episodes. In those bloated 26 episode seasons, even in bad, repetitive episodes, there were a few scenes here and there that developed characters.

Today, Disco and Picard are 10-15 episode events. They're over in two or three months. By the time they come back, I need a recap video to remind me what happened last season because it might have been 15 months since I last watched.
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Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 8:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag


"I was easily able to rail against STD on a weekly basis. I can't with this thing, I just don't have the energy anymore.

Kurtzman broke me. Trek is dead and long gone."

This problem has been around since the 90s. Fans complained Star Trek was being ruined by Braga and Berman and was bland and repetitive and trying to appeal to a mass male audience with catsuits and high heels, and if only the true fans could shell out $20 a month, we could have Trek for the fans, and no one would complain."

Very simple solution. Stop watching. Why on Earth would you have watched 30 episodes of Discovery if you hate it? If Picard isn't your thing, simply stop watching. Whatever any producer does in any decade, rest assured, fans will bemoan that they hate it, and will complain every week for seven years.

Break the cycle.
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Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 1:42pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

@John Harmon

“ I think I hate this show. It’s bad on its own merits, and I’m confident the only reason people are still watching is because it has the name Star Trek and it has Picard in it even if they don’t realize that’s why.”

With all due respect, if you hate the show and continue to watch and post about it, that’s your business, but kindly don’t tell me that I’m not intelligent enough to realize why I watch it.
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Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 2:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Also, a bit of fridge logic just struck me.

Does Saru owe Captain Pike an apology for what happened on Kaminar?

In "The Sound of Thunder", Saru sweeps away Pike's caution that altering the Klepian population's evolution may result in a violent revolution. Basically Saru says, "Just trust me, or at least trust that a more optimistic outcome is possible." And because Captain Pike is Captain Pike, he goes along with it.

And yet, when the cavalry arrives in "Such Sweet Sorrow Part 2" we see Klepians flying Ba'ul ships, which should be as shocking as it is horrific. Because the show never revisited Kaminar, and the last act we witness is the Ba'ul attempt mass genocide of the Klepians, it's safe to assume that the Ba'ul didn't just peacefully hand over their ships, and this should portent to a darker reality than what Saru promised.
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Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 6:56am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Fantastic visuals, great action, and each character has their moment to shine.

Captain Pike: "Launch all starfighters-- I mean shuttles!"

Saru: "Engineering, you're not building fast enough! Raise snark to 98%!"

Georgiou: "Shit! I forgot how to math."

Spock: "There is no time for debate! And I have plot armor."

Cornwell: "The secondary detonation of this slowpedo has already been triggered. I estimate we have until the end of the season before it takes out half the ship!"

Culber: "Oh, right, I'm supposed to be in sickbay."

Tyler: *shouts orders in Klingon* (..wait, to the Klingon Empire, isn't he's supposed to be a disgraced beheaded traitor...?)

Cornwell: "Your story isn't over yet, and I think you know that."
Captain Pike: "Well, if I'm meant to be a disfigured paraplegic..."


Overall, my thoughts about this season of DSC are complicated and conflicted. Perhaps it is appropriate to defer to the wisdom of Spock, who speaks with greater eloquence than I; to paraphrase:

"All people with knowledge of season 2 must be ordered never to speak of DSC, it's plot, or it's characters, ever again, under penalty of treason against Star Trek."

And in Tyler news:

"Well... since Section 31 is now a write-off, all its officers are missing or dead, and you've done absolutely nothing.....congratulations, Tyler, you win Section 31!"
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Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 4:12am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

Apologies in advance to Daya but this is one snark-worthy episode if I ever did see one...

Ohh the melodrama, unearned sentimentality, the many Mary Sue Moments, and everyone leaving their friends and family behind to accompany their Martyr-Savior Of The Universe because it's All About Burnham. Imagine if Wesley were ordered to his death via irradiated jefferies tube to save the ship, and then the rest of the crew said "Hold up, we're going in with you! And here's why..." It's almost that bad.

Burnham: "Oh, Captain Pike? Before you go, will you grace us with one final bask in our glorious lens flairs?"

I must have missed the scene(s) where Tyler was shown evacuating the ship before the self-destruct because I was half-expecting everyone would forget about him and leave him behind. Since he's not officially a member of the Discovery crew, he wouldn't have been accounted for.
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Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 1:37am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

Not as offensively bad as previous episodes, yet lacking anything fresh or noteworthy on the positive side to recommend it ...unless you're into mystical Klingons guarding their fantastical time crystals in the Mines of Moria.

LOL @ the Klingons in this series.. the writers walked back their revisions from season one, only to fancy them now as the Masters of Time when they couldn't even wrap their head around the fundamentals of cloaking and needed Romulan hand-me-downs to catch up.

Random observations:

- If proximity to the time crystals makes old men out of infants that fast, then the Klingons are gonna need a large supply of replacement Time Keepers, stat!

- I swear L'rell's head gets increasingly swollen each time we see her. She can barely manage it now, but I fear soon she won't be able to speak at all.

- Reno has returned from her month-long bender to partake in some gay camaraderie and give relationship tips.

- I'm looking forward to Leland's inevitable showdown with Burnham in which he reminds her that he still owes her one punch.

And in Tyler news:

He's mercifully absent for all but 5 minutes in which his hands are tied from doing anything of importance.
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Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 11:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Perpetual Infinity

What I liked:

- the reunion of mother and daughter and the complex emotions that this evoked

What I didn't like:

- everything else

With plot holes aplenty this episode is ripe for the nittiest of picks, but since I'm rather late to the party I won't repeat what others have noticed.

Last time, someone astutely (and hilariously) noted that Culber was dressed for a night out on the town. I would have liked to have seen him live a little, find himself, or do whatever he had to do to work through his issues before he felt fit to put on his doctor's outfit and act as if his existential crisis never happened.

Hot take:

Control addressing Leland is really the writers' way of confronting the archetypal Straight White Male in the audience. At least those are the vibes I got.

And in Tyler news:

I agree with others that this was a missed opportunity to kill him off.
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Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 4:24am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: The Red Angel

I try to be fair and balanced but episodes like this one just make it so hard.. indeed, this has got to be the most WTF-worthy show of the series thus far, and not in any redeemably good or exciting way.

I could go on and on about how stupid the Capture The Time Traveling Angel plan is, and the way they set about it... but most people here are pretty smart so I feel that I don't have to.

And what is it with people in DSC punching or pointing phasers at superior officers when ever they have a dispute or disagreement with them? And then everyone shrugging it off later as if nothing happened? Didn't people used to get court martialed, or threatened with it at the very least?

I think now that Burnham has finally lowered her defenses, her resuming the romance with Tyler is supposed to be the pay off that we've all been waiting for... as well as Tyler's true raison d'etre this season. However, I can't imagine the reception being any better than complete and utter indifference.
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Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 1:29am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

I'm of two minds about this one. Much like Saru's light lenses, there is more than one way to look at episodes like this.

On the one hand, proponents of DSC can rightly hold it up as an example of an entertaining, visually engaging, and emotional ride as can happen when DSC is able to do what it does best, playing to its strengths.

On the other hand, I find I need to turn off my brain in order to enjoy the ride along with them and -- this being Star Trek -- I don't feel like that's a fair expectation to have of me.

I agree with Jammer that it wouldn't have hurt for them weave Aryam's personal narrative into the series more organically rather than have it look like that they're only jamming it in right now for emotionally manipulative reasons. If they had just slowed down now and then to have members of the ensemble cast interact for reasons that aren't directly in service of plot, I know I would have enjoyed this series a lot more.

I don't like where this appears to be going with the ol' evil AI trope... yes, you can argue that this is still classic sci-fi, but I feel like there's a good reason this trope has hitherto been sidestepped in Star Trek with a few exceptions (could it be that it already has its own unique take on the matter that has already done it to death, being the Borg?). Rather than supposing that the writers have only just now thought up a way to make the trope fresh yet still meaningfully Trek, it's safer to assume that they're once again going for the low-hanging fruit.

And speaking of lenses, am I the only one who noticed that Saru was looking for heat signatures using a UV filter and finding nothing? Of course he wouldn't see anything. That would require an INFRARED lens. I wish they still had science advisers on the staff of these top-tier science fiction shows...

This episode gets an extra half star because Tyler doesn't get to make an appearance, still being in time-out.
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Wed, Feb 5, 2020, 4:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: If Memory Serves

Definitely a high point in this season as the writers saved all of the pay offs for this one episode. This price for this is that we had to sit through a whole lot of crazy BS in order to get here. Someone suggested that our impatience with these arcs has to do with our nostalgia for the more episodic eras, that we're too simple-minded to appreciate more "complex" storytelling.

I couldn't disagree more. Writers of TNG and DS9 managed create some competent and meaningful arcs that existed across individual episodes that were satisfying in their own right. It's a little bit more complex, yes, but all that it means is that it's all the more difficult to pull off successfully, and all the more rewarding when done so. While completion of these arcs felt like like a special treat for fans, DSC more often than not feels like a hot mess, with arcs that more or less "work" (even if some people don't particularly enjoy them) at the expense of episodes being vacuous, with a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. I don't want to go so far as to suggest that the writers are idiots, only that they have perhaps bit off more than they can chew and often promise more than they can deliver.

It was also said early on in the comments that people who like the better episodes of DSC have forgotten what Trek is because the bar has been set so low. While I am tempted to agree that a bar has been lowered, I don't think we've forgotten. It's just that every time we praise an episode of DSC, there's an unspoken qualification that says, "that was good...for DSC."

There was a lot of stuff I liked here that others have commented on, but I particularly enjoyed what happened to Tyler, as undeserved as it may be. For those of us who dislike him (are there any fans of Tyler out there?) there's a certain degree of schadenfreude to be had when he not only gets a cathartic beating from Culber, but then has his shiny black badge plucked from his chest. Symbolically, he is stripped of the contrived importance that provided the sole reason for his continued existence on the show.
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Wed, Feb 5, 2020, 2:15am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Light and Shadows

I was a little puzzled at first as to why the threat of telling Burnham that Leland killed her parents would give Georgiou so much power over him... he's a high-ranking member of Section 31 which specializes in counter-intelligence and fabricating evidence....and what's Burnham gonna do? Frown at him really intensely and whisper her disapproval?

But then I recalled the fate of Lt. Connelly in the first episode of the season, who was quickly dispatched mid-sentence by the writers when he dared to condescend to their Mary Sue... so it's safe to say that Leland's days are numbered.

The thought of Sarek deep in meditation for days, maybe weeks, pushing his mental powers to the absolute limit in the Search for Spock, when Spock has been literally right under his nose the whole time because of his wife's machinations, is pretty hilarious and makes him look like a chump, even with the kryptonite or whatever. I can appreciate why he was slightly miffed. Somehow, Amanda manages to emasculate him even further when she twists his words into the pussy-whippable offense of implying that he has authority over her, when all he meant was that the using the house of an ambassador to harbor a fugitive is an abuse of the privileges that authority affords.

Tyler: I'm still here and I matter because Georgiou gave me this shiny black badge that means I get to mouth-breathe down your neck all the time and you need to tell me stuff because I'm important and have I shown you my badge yet?
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Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 11:18pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: The Sound of Thunder

Agreed, best episode of the season thus far. Partially because this is what happens when you remove the urgent, frantic pacing and cataclysmic stakes that is so typical for the bulk of DSC and just let things breathe a little. But also because it feels so at home among classic Trek, climax aside.

When I see Discovery's more wholehearted fans disparage those of us who still have some reservations, when we invoke nostalgia about "true"/classic Trek and how DSC largely hasn't measured up; e.g. "That's a meaningless and fallacious comparison" or "It's completely subjective because it means something different to everyone" or "What would that even look like in 2019? What does that even meeean??" ...

...all of I can think is THIS. It means THIS, damn it.

Random observations:

The way Pike is so easily swayed by those around him after he gives a command, it's rare he actually follows through on his original judgement. A good captain listens, but if he constantly flip-flops after a command is given, it makes him look weak.
Case in point: When everyone suddenly decides it's a great idea to transmit alien signals to force the evolution of an entire population, Pike wisely questions this and looks like he's going to put on the breaks. This reasonable caution is shut down by Saru, of all people, who is too close the matter to be making such assurances. By now everyone is so used to Pike going with the flow that I wouldn't have been surprised if they all just forgot to wait on Pike to give the go-ahead.
Part of the problem is that the swift pacing gives no occasion for TNG-style Observation Lounge meetings in which everyone has a chance to give their recommendations before a decision is made.


Saru: "You're frail without your technology!"
Ba'ul: "On that note, take this!" *unleashes their technology*
Saru: *proceeds to use brute force to make their technology his bitch*
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