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Roga Danar
Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 12:34pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

@Tomalak
A lot of it is the modern news media, which is unavoidable thanks to social media platforms, pushing gender/race identity politics because they know it generates controversy. Controversy = clicks/views = profit.
Like those articles claiming how "powerful" it was that Michael Burnham was the first black woman in Star Trek (??? Excuse me????). It attracts people who genuinely have nothing to say but hate for people of different colors, because the internet brings the worst out of us. But then the enlightened "good boy" fans feel they need to "stick it" to the racists by watching the new show.
It works every time.
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Roga Danar
Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 11:27am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

@Episodenull
Oh no no no, you can't let Star Trek be Star Trek. That turns the "casual viewer" off. Remember Bermaga era where it was too much Star Trek? It's like you want the franchise to die again!!! Star Trek being Star Trek KILLS it.
Star Trek being Transformers/GoT/Marvel, however? Literally prints money!
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Roga Danar
Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 7:19am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

Discovery has no real purpose, no real trajectory. The entire series is made up of random crap thrown at a wall until something sticks. Every plot leads nowhere until it is quickly abandoned. They'll probably even change the entire setting after Season 4.
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Roga Danar
Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 3:16pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

The fact that every new Trek now (with the exception of the cartoons) follows the same formula where it's essentially a movie plot stretched out to 10 or 15 episodes. It's become so tiresome and cliched.
People will say "yeah, well, television has moved on from the BORING 90s episodic format!"
I don't like this crap. I PREFER episodic shows that have the occasional two-parter or feature recurring characters and themes. You get to know the characters and see them grow. You get to see the universe expand. Not every story arc gets neatly wrapped up by the season finale. Some of them continue for the rest of the series.
This whole, "It's like a movie but on the small screen" trend is garbage.
Hopefully with The Mandalorian showing that episodic Sci-Fi still has life in it changes a lot of minds.
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Roga Danar
Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 7:36pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

Also, seasons limited to 10-13-15 episodes with a "super serious event television serialized mystery!" plot has harmed new Star Trek, which always used 20-26 episode seasons with one-offs and the occasional two-parter to flesh out its characters and setting.
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Roga Danar
Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 7:14pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

Oh yeah, as for my thoughts on Discovery?
I... I just don't know what to say anymore. You can "It's Not For You!!!!" me all you like, but who is it really for? Hmm? Does it have a dedicated fan following? Not really. Are casual viewers who simply move from one thing to the next interested in it? Sort of, but they forget they watched it five minutes later.
I don't know why Star Trek had to drop its "geeky", charming identity to cater to the "general audience" who couldn't give a rat's ass about the franchise. It's part of what made it unique and memorable.
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Roga Danar
Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 2:31pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

@Episodenull
So the lesson learned is, don't let your grandpa have internet access?
Because, seriously, most forums where the average age of the users is older than the forum itself have become the same sort of shitholes.
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Roga Danar
Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 11:58am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

@Mal
Hmm, yes, what a funny... coincidence... that Into Darkness coincided with the fandom further dividing into "camps" and effectively killing off some of the oldest discussion forums.
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Roga Danar
Tue, Jan 26, 2021, 12:00pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

I just don't understand people who call themselves longtime Star Trek fans (seriously, the average age of TBBS must be 65), but they say how much they absolutely hate 90% of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT... yet they get on their knees and worship at the feet of Abrams, Kurtzman, etc... some even say they never enjoyed Star Trek as much as they did after 2009? That Discovery is the first "actually good" series?
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Roga Danar
Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 8:11pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

I've noticed that the most hardcore Discovery fans are those who claim to have watched Star Trek from the very beginning. People who have been consuming Trek for 55 years and refuse to admit to themselves that it may have turned rotten.
There's also forums like TrekBBS and TrekMovie where you have those "I've been watching since '66!" folks, except trashing 1966-2005 Star Trek is acceptable, even highly encouraged, while the tiniest criticism of post-2009 Star Trek sends ravenous hordes against you!
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