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Jason R.
Tue, May 26, 2020, 4:11am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Sanctuary

I mentioned it before that the other solution would have been if the Skreeans were actually worshipers of the Prophets and told to settle on Bajor by them. Suppose they had an orb? I mean the wormhole has two sides after all.

But yeah, this episode was botched from a storytelling perspective. Done right, it could have been one of the very best. But the writing just dropped the ball.
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Peter G.
Tue, May 26, 2020, 3:11am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Sanctuary

"There is no rational argument for settling the Skreeans on Bajor."

Agreed. Maybe I need to watch it again, but I think the only reason why their claim would even be worth considering is some sort of analogy to what the Bajorans went through. Like, somehow this used to be their world and they ended up as refugees, and now need to come back home after all these years. That could vaguely parallel Bajor coming out of the Occupation, and bitter pill here is maybe supposed to be that the Bajorans find themselves unhappily close to a Cardassian position here, which is "our people have to take priority over your people." But I think that only makes sense if the Skreeans are supposed to be understood as having some sort of right to be there. Otherwise it's just a request that comes at the wrong time, mixed with an unreasonable refusal to settle elsewhere despite a nice offer by the Federation. Unless it's their ancestral home they're being stupid. Even if it *is* the case is debatable, but if it's not then they're just being a pain.
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Jeffrey Jakucyk
Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Inner Light

Props to the production team on this one as well as all the other accolades. Ressik looks a lot like Greece's Santorini Island, with the whitewashed adobe buildings climbing up a craggy rock face. The only difference is Ressik overlooks a deep river valley rather than the Mediterranean Sea. It's understandably a bit studio-ish, but it's not overly precious like so often happens in other "rural simplicity" stories.

What I like are some of the subtle cues about the drought as time goes on. When we first arrive, they're planting the tree, they have dark soil/mulch, and there's vines and other plants growing up the buildings and flowers in small planting beds, it's all actually rather lush. Five years in their symbolic tree is larger and thriving, though there's no more flowers around and the other plants look a bit more weedy. Once we get to baby Batai's naming ceremony the vines are dead and the planting beds are empty and barren, with what little decent soil was left presumably salvaged for crops. By the time the administrator comes for his last visit, the symbolic tree is dead. At the last jump, when they go to see the missile launch, they turned up the intensity of the sun a good bit as well, making it a harsher hotter and more blue color. All great touches.
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Jeffrey Jakucyk
Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:03pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Time's Arrow, Part II

I've always liked this two-parter, even recognizing its problems. Twain never really bothered me, but I can see how he can be too much to take. The alien's motivations are also laughable in how undeveloped they are. Regardless, I just love the 19th century stuff.

I was curious about the filming locations and Olvera Street in LA, which is sort of correct. When Data first "lands" in SF, the location is Sanchez Street, which is aligned with Olvera, but is on the south side of the El Pueblo de Los Angeles monument. I find it funny that the "Hotel Brian" is just the rear loading area of another random building across the street. In part 2 they shot on the newly completed New York Street backlot set at Paramount Studios.
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Jeffrey Jakucyk
Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:32pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Realm of Fear

I want to give kudos to the production crew for the exploding sample container in engineering. Despite being behind a forcefield, still came across as quite powerful and frightening.

Also, I always laugh at the final scene in the transporter room. When Worf and his security team enter, Barclay says "There are more crew members in the beam. You have to grab them and hold on." Worf then responds immediately with "Understood. Follow me." LOL what? These guys have NO IDEA what's going on, and after Barclay spouts some nonsense about people being in the transporter beam, while being dragged off the floor, Worf is all "oh ok, no problem." That's some crap writing there.
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Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: A Fistful of Datas

The episode was just a bit of silly fun, come on.

1) Worf actually drives the action for a change, and he also has a bit of an arc in which he starts out dreading Holodeck time with his son, takes a liking to it, and then (despite the Data mishap), suggests he’ll do more even though Alexander disappointedly expects him to have soured on it. The slight smile on Alexander’s face when Worf says something like “they’ll need a sheriff...*and* a deputy” was sweet.

2) Data is a rather fenced-in character. There’s entertainment value in having Brent Spiner do *anything* outside of Data’s little behavioral box (we get to see him, I believe, *moseying*).

3) May I just say how gorgeous Marina Sirtis is in this episode? The cigarillo-smoking aside (which I personally find a total turnoff), she never looked more attractive in a TNG episode. And by the way, if you ever get to meet her, Marina Sirtis is much cooler to be around and much more engaging than Deanna Troi, the character, ever was. In this episode a little bit of her natural personality comes through.
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Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:10pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Power Play

That concluding scene was just weird.

O'Brien: If I could have killed that thing, I would.
Keiko (to Molly): Ooooo Daddy says he would have killed that thing. Isn't he a GOOD Daddy?

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Peter G.
Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Sanctuary

Oh man I should have proof-read my last post better, sorry everyone. I was writing really quickly that time.

@ Top Hat,

Technically I think you are right, but it's my suspicion at least that they were trying to go for something like "what happens if this other people with a real claim come along, will they be taken seriously?" Whether the claim literally comes from an ancestral presence, or a prophecy, or whatever else, seems to me secondary because if we don't take whatever it is seriously then they are just an annoying presence. For the episode to work it has to be taken seriously, and if we take it at face value that their claim is legit (wherever its origin) then I think what we have is a First Nations analogy. Now that I think about it I suppose it could be a plain refugee analogy as well, but in that case the prophecy thing comes across as a red herring. You don't tell people you're begging to asylum that you actually have an inherent right to their planet/nation. So to me it reads even worse as a refugee analogy than it does as a First Nations analogy. If that's what they wanted then they botched it even worse than I thought.
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Mon, May 25, 2020, 8:18pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S3: A Measure of Salvation

For me, this episode didn't need to have the level
of certainty around their plan as they did. That's why all the issues Jammer points out stick in the craw-- MAYBE the plan could work and cause genocide. But maybe not-- maybe just a lot of death, or some, or not work at all. I think the episode's moral arguments would work just as well in the realm of "this could possibly be a total genocide, and even if not could be a brutal tortuous death for many". It didn't need to be as total, and as problematic in the details, as it manifests in this episode.

I am ok with Adama giving Helo a pass-- he had misgivings and I buy that he is ready to accept this as maybe the right call. And he's come to rely on Helo more, and Sharon has become his confidant... I also like it because it does dramatize the different experiences and impacts that two people equally as committed to fighting and rescuing the New Capricans have that result from being on the ground vs on galactica. Adama can still cling to his "have to be worthy of survival", while Roslin is way past that.
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Peter G.
Mon, May 25, 2020, 4:41pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Sanctuary

@ Shiva Menon,

If you read on the episode is correct, that this is about purpose and meaning to the Skreeans, then IMO that would really mean to me that they're basically nutjobs who are so out of touch with reality that it's hard to identify with them on any level. And as I do believe this episode is one of DS9's epic botches, they actually *do* come off this way to a significant extent, which is unfortunately.

What I suspect it's supposed to be about isn't some random vision that will give their lives meaning; I think it's about indigenous peoples displaced from their ancestral land and making an ancient claim to it. Much like in our current environment, the most even quite liberal people are really willing to do is make a speech of commiseration and the odd art exhibit, but no one is going to give up their homes or half of their nation's land to let the previous inhabitants back. That's just not how it's going to work in the real world, like it or not, and I think this episode opened up the possibility of seeing the Bajorans not just as victims but also, even inadvertently, as a people who are likewise occupying land to which there may be an even more ancestral claim. Or at least the challenge is whether they're willing to even recognize that's possible.

The way the episode plays out it scarcely matters, because the hijinx with the adolescents along with the vagueness of the claim makes us annoyed most of the time and sort of wishing they would just move on. It's 'sad' but predictable when the Bajorans won't just give them the planet to live on, and I put that in scare quotes because it's not actually sad to the viewer, although it should be. That it's so unthinkable that those who have been wronged may have wronged others (or being doing so presently) is the challenge of the episode, but the challenge only makes sense if the Skreean claim is legitimately based on having been displaced in the past. If they aren't an allegory to the First Nations situation then they really are just another annoying race like the Move Along Home goofs.
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Peter G.
Mon, May 25, 2020, 1:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: The Omega Glory

Me neither.

I actually still need to do my re-watch of this to do my Vulcan telepathy studies for the week. I always remembered this being a pretty bad episode, and I have a vague memory of there being a terrible plot hole somewhere in it.
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Mon, May 25, 2020, 1:36pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: The Omega Glory

This one just doesn't gel despite bringing up so many big (and even a few great) ideas. The mysterious chemical that led to a "Fountain of Youth" was enough to carry the whole episode. Someone in Star Trek: Insurrection's writing room figured that out and made a whole movie about it, but I digress.

I think the patriotic Cold War American allegory could've worked but they needed to push the idea all the way. Take "Patterns of Force", for example. It's not a great episode but at least it sticks to the one idea about the power of facism and leaves us with a coherent message about the subject. Here, we get a few quotes about "liberty" and a hamfisted tribute to the Declaration of Independence but none of it seems to resonate with what those things mean to Americans, let alone what the implications of freedom meant during the Cold War.

This episode's worst crime is to have so much promise on big subjects and to utterly fail to deliver on them. Luckily, TOS gets it right most of the other times. 1.5 stars for Morgan Woodward being truly menacing and a good foil to Kirk. Still, what a waste.

P.S. As a special bonus, we find out who's a Canadian in this comments section. ;-)
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Peter G.
Mon, May 25, 2020, 1:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Full disclosure, I only watched this show so that I could participate in the comments section here. Kudos to your site, Jammer. I tried the same for DISC but was physically unable to bring myself to watch S2. It would taken Clockwork Orange conditions to make that happen. So I've stayed away from comments sections for that.
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Andy's Friend
Mon, May 25, 2020, 11:55am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2


“STP by its own merits has plenty to discuss. I loathed it but did watch it because I wanted to be as informed as I can about it. I think there was plenty wrong to discuss whether it was Star Trek or not. Problems in storytelling, poor characterization, etc.”

I never watched it, and everything I read here convinces me that I would have loathed it, too. But after the first half season of Discovery, I simply couldn’t care less about what passes as Trek these days.

This is what I find interesting, though:

First, I don’t think that the discussion of *whether* present Trek is Star Trek or not is relevant. It clearly isn’t. And (to be blunt) I don’t even care to argue why. If my interlocutor can’t see it, there is little point in debating it.

The discussion of *why* present ‘Trek’ is no longer Star Trek however I find interesting. But that must necessarily be part of a much vaster discussion on our current society. And perhaps the most appropriate venue for such a discussion (provided anyone else is even interested) isn’t Jammer’s Reviews.

Second, and more important: I think Omicron is right. I think it is more important that we vote with our wallets if we want things to change. I think that it is better to stop watching what we dislike, than it is to support such productions out of a wish to ‘be as informed’ as possible, as you put it.

The bottom line is, you were right. You loathed Picard. It was not for you. And you likely knew that after the first two or three episodes already. Then why on earth keep watching, and thereby keep supporting it? I know that you perhaps may have done so without paying for it, but the question is directed at all viewers/readers: some of them paid for watching something they disliked.

I think this is the main question that Omicron wants us to consider. Yes, he is repetitive. Yes, he is predictable. But I feel that his question is genuinely valid, intriguing, and important. Why do so many people keep watching what they, by their own admission, do not like?
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Mon, May 25, 2020, 11:14am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Sorry you see my post as ironic. I had no beef against either of you and made a neutral observation. I stand by it. This is the most I have written on any given episode on this site. I don’t plan to keep up with your rate of writing. Sorry for this second interruption. I promise it’s the last anyone’ll hear from me for a while.

Sorry to you too but I don’t have time to go up and check messages and I don’t care that much really.
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Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:36am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Eamon and Majerus,

If you go back above to where it all started, you’ll see that it did with Omicron’s direct attack containing derogatory terms to me and other posters (if there any others). I can only hope that you don’t expect people who get attacked in such manner to stay silent in response.


I’ve been teaching at university (-ies) for over a decade and the topic of what they watch, or in general their TV consumption, is a topic of interest for me. I hold stats, numbers, how many watch what, etc. purely out of my own interest (there is more on this under one of Discovery’s episodes, no.9 I believe, so I won’t repeat it here). Take it for what it is worth to you but here are my basic observations: hardly any watch cable TV or even have cable (this semester, I had a total 56 students, only 4 had cable at home! Second most extreme ratio I’ve seen ever, first being 1 student out of 32 in Fall 2018). They know about my Trekkie-ness, heck they cannot miss it, my computer desktop is Station DS9 that they see on the projector whenever I show things for my lectures (they laugh). Most enter my classes having never watched Star Trek which confirms your observation that young people in general don’t watch Star Trek (though it’s a small sample size). But several do grow an interest and begin watching it after hearing about it so much from me, lol. My consistent observation has been that the ones who begin with DS9 and TNG claim it’s boring (unfortunately their first seasons are bad). But a few who stuck with them ended up liking it, only a few though. The ones that try TOS for the first time almost always find it too “cheesy” or even “stupid” (to which I strongly object, but…) Some have come in having seen the last 3 Kelvin movies (or one or two of them) and they like them but need a “push” to start watching the TV shows. The most success I had in converting to Trekkies (and I am not talking about many here, maybe 2, 3, or 4 out 10 who tried Trek TV in a given semester) was with those who began with the latest movies or Discovery. (My own daughter of 24 only became a fan after watching the 2009 movie and I made her watch DS9 afterward while I was doing a rewatch. Now, she is a Trekkie in general but she still finds TOS corny for example and won’t watch unless I happen to be watching one when she is with me. She likes TNG). I don’t have any Picard numbers to give because it’s new. Now, remember these are students who came into the semester not having seen any Trek on TV except maybe a minute in passing back when they were little with their parents. Overall, my experience from several years of this show me that more of them became Trekkies, so to speak, like the recent Treks. I wouldn’t label them as having a low quality as a standard either, it’s just a different generation. I am from the 50 and above generation of Trekkies having watched every series when they originally aired except TOS as reruns in early 70s and I know others my age who enjoy the current versions too. I liked each with varying degrees (except Enterprise) but today, I prefer myself the less episodic and more serialized version, though I’d watch any Trek series that comes up and still form an opinion based on its own merit. For example, I am not much of a fan of prequels in general and like I said, prefer the more serialized version now but if the new Pike series (thus a prequel) is episodic like I read somewhere, I’ll still give it a try and judge it accordingly.


“Also Check Mertov's posting history. This isn't the first time he has done this.”
This is a good idea except you conveniently forgot to include yourself for the history check, which would show that my points about your self-contradicting patterns are very much valid.

“Deliberate personal attacks (like what happened here recently) are a different problem.
Ha! Agreed! Like referring to posters using denigrating labels. Had you refrained from doing that, I would have never responded. But if you do, don't expect me to remain quiet from this point forward either.

And as for you last response to Majerus above,
"Kinda ironic, given the rest of your post."

Actually no, the rest of his post is very valid and consistent with what he said to me. So is what you said about not reading your posts if you don't like them, something you could abide by yourself if you wish to, but seemingly you don't practice what you preach to others here either.
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Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:38am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

"If it’s merely about ODTP like you say then why don’t you stop wasting everyone’s time on a public review site?"


Kinda ironic, given the rest of your post.

Here is an idea:

Since we all agree that ranting about a single poster is wasting everyone's time, it would be nice if people just stopped doing that.

And here's a tip: If you don't like my posts, don't read them.

Now, how about we return to discussing Star Trek?
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Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:00am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

If it’s merely about ODTP like you say then why don’t you stop wasting everyone’s time on a public review site? I don’t think anyone is following what y’all are saying to each other anyway. I personally stopped caring after the first few posts.

Mertov is not wrong about one thing. I discovered Jammer’s reviews site when Enterprise aired, I wrote a few times under different names years ago. I didn’t like DISCO and stopped watching it after the first few episodes and I didn’t like PICARD but I watched because it was only 10 episodes. Sorry to say but I even got tired of reading your predictable comments. “Kurtzman is bad, CBS is evil, nutrek is bad, Star Trek is dead” and now I learn you didn’t watch the shows, but you have more to say about them negatively in volume at least than anyone else. Sorry but that’s preposterous and if you cannot see why it would appear that way to others, I don’t know what to tell you.

Sorry for the interruption. I’ll get out of the way now and go back to lurking.

It’s only a TV show people.
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Mon, May 25, 2020, 8:38am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2


Commenting on comments, by itself, is not a problem. Never was.

Deliberate personal attacks (like what happened here recently) are a different problem. Let us not be naive. The current situation is not just the result of a heated debate that went out of hand. It is something else entirely.

Also Check Mertov's posting history. This isn't the first time he has done this.

@Andy's Friend
"I actually think this is an important debate about ideas."


Once we strip away all the personal attacks and all the nonsensical flaming, the debate can be summed up with a very simple general question:

Should we bar decades-long Trekkies from commenting on the current state of Trek, just because they don't watch the new shows? Should we tell all these people to just shut up? Or worse: Pressure these people to hate-watch a show they don't like, just so they can earn the "right" to speak up?

Because this, really, is what Mertov's argument boils down do. He tries to fog the issue by making it about me, but it isn't about me at all.

Speaking of which:

"it's merely about you."

Then I kindly ask you to stop making this about me.

Seriously, nobody here is interested in your personal attacks against another poster. In your own words: I am not that important.

So I'd appreciate it if you get off my back. Like... right now.

I'd also love to hear your actual opinion about whether Trekkies who don't watch the new shows should feel free to speak up here or not. That's actually a topic worthy of discussion, unlike your endless rants against a single person.
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Andy's Friend
Mon, May 25, 2020, 6:45am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2


"Can we get back to having a healthy debate about ideas, not each other?"

While I agree, I actually think this is an important debate about ideas.

Sadly, there seem to be no ideas worth discussing in either Discovery or Picard. But ironically, both have seen much debate on the matter of whether it is legitimate to comment something you have not experienced yourself.

Much of that debate has consisted of responses to Omicron's commenting without having seen those shows. Sometimes Omicron becomes repetitive, yes, but so do we all. And he usually makes reasonable arguments, commenting on general issues which he can possess perfectly valid if second-hand knowledge of, and not too particular details of which he *cannot* have any knowledge at all, say, the music score, or the CGI in a specific scene.

I find it fascinating how some criticise others for expressing opinions, and even making perfectly valid claims based on the exchanges of ideas, or opinions, to be found for example here on Jammer's. This would negate the entire idea of the exchange of ideas in the first place.

Yet here we are, with a blend of old commenters like Mertov and recent arrivals arriving by parachute out of nowhere like this fellow Ouitzul, alias ouiztul. If comments are supposed to be meaningful, and if readers are supposed to learn anything from them, are readers then not to be allowed to comment on the comments?

I mean, why are people commenting here to begin with? Are we really all just shouting into a vacuum?

I find these questions interesting. And since Picard seems to offer no intriguing ideas otherwise (the quality of comments on the STP threads is frankly atrocious), I for one certainly don't mind debating them instead.

It would be nice if we once and for all were to acknowledge that Omicron's criticism is as valid as anyone's. As long as he avoids commenting on those things he can know nothing of—say, the acting in a particular scene—and sticks to commenting what can be easily grasped by anyone with half a brain, I see no problem in his commenting. And it would be nice if people like, in this case, Mertov would stop a criticism of him that is (to be blunt) sheer nonsense.
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Andy's Friend
Mon, May 25, 2020, 5:07am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2


1. Only the imbecile fails to grasp the essence of a thing when enough sensible people express enough sensible opinions about that thing in general debate, as here on Jammer’s.

Enough sensible people have expressed enough sensible thoughts here about STP.

And Omicron is not an imbecile.

2. It is indeed impossible to grasp all the particulars of any complex thing in general debate.

It is unnecessary, however, to grasp all the particulars of a thing when simply wishing to engage in a general debate about that thing.

Omicron is simply wishing to engage in a general debate about STP.

3. Only the pedant demands of others complete knowledge of the particulars when wishing to engage in general debate.

Omicron, I repeat, is simply wishing to engage in a general debate about STP.

4. Only an imbecile would fail to notice the qualitative difference in the general debate on STP when compared to say, TNG. Commenters are commenting qualitatively different things. They are making qualitatively different questions.

This qualitative difference informs the reader. See point 1.

And Omicron, I repeat, is not an imbecile.

5. I, a Catholic with vast knowledge of (Christian) theology, have read thousands of pages of sacred Hindu texts, and only secondary literature on Buddhism.

I admit that I am far more informed on Hinduism than I am on Buddhism. But I should think I am sufficiently informed on Buddhism to engage in any general debate.

Would you suggest that I am unable to participate in a general, informal debate on Buddhism simply because I have not read the actual Buddhist texts themselves?

6. Omicron, a Star Trek fan with perhaps vast knowledge of science fiction, has watched hundreds of Star Trek TOS-ENT episodes, and only read secondary literature on STP.

Now you complete the line of reasoning. You’re not an imbecile, either.
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Green Dragon
Mon, May 25, 2020, 2:08am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Chimera

I agree Tim. Doing a rewatch with my gf. Not only that Laas knows they are at war with the Founders but goes out of his way to essentially wave the national flag in their faces. Odo has come down hard on Quark and others for less. Dismissing Laas fogging up the Promenade is pure bias, since he caused a commotion, regardless of it's natural to him.
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Sarjenka's Brother
Mon, May 25, 2020, 1:02am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek III: The Search For Spock

I agree with Justin: " It stands right up there with but slightly below the great ones."

It's not as good as "Wrath of Khan." And It's not as engaging and fun as "Voyage Home."

But it is a very solid followup to "Khan" with splendid cinematic scenes and nice character moments.

And it ruins the whole "odd number" theory. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, "The Motion Picture" also ruins the "odd number" theory.

Now the upcoming No. 5 -- yeah, it's "odd" and it's a stinker. Not looking forward it to, but I will persist. But first I get to see a shrieking probe wreak some havoc!
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Sun, May 24, 2020, 11:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Omicron, nice attempt at meandering around the valid points I brought up and avoid facing up to your own double standards by playing the victim as usual.
The guy who posts dozens of vitriol posts himself about a show he doesn't even watch, practices the very behavior for which he castigates others, and when called out on all those, claims to be vtirol-victim himself and cries foul.
You are consistently outperforming yourself.

"Of-course, none of this is really about me personally."

I hate to bring your neatly arranged narrative down, but yes, it is...
I know you'd like to imagine that you are the spokesperson for a large group of people, create divisions, make things about "us" vs "them," etc... but alas, you are not that important, it's merely about you.
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Sarjenka's Brother
Sun, May 24, 2020, 11:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Nemesis

This whole "how does Neelix know" thing is a good example of people so overzealously looking for plot holes that they now come up with holes that don't exist.

Neelix had the info he had because he is the ship's liaison in these matters sometimes and he had talked to the ambassador. It's not a big moment, but they do write that in.

Anyway, I thought it was a good but not great episode. Three stars felt just right. And going back to "Before and After," that makes 10 in row. Or 9 with one semi-weak one.

That's a good streak.

And I personally loved the colorful way of speaking they wrote for the group Chakotay encounters.
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