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Quibbles
Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 12:57pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Home

This was fine. Pretty good as far as "saying goodbye to a crewmember" episodes go. I was worried that they were going to rip off (VOY) "Homestead" right down to the line of crewmembers in the hallway to see Alara off (a very lovely moment in Homestead, but it would have been *too* shamless a ripoff here), so I'm glad they picked the low-key route of having each main cast member hug her one by one. Understated and classy.

My problem was, like the commenters above have pointed out, the family scenes were incredibly stilted and the family came off like rich WASPs, not aliens with a distinct culture. The episode had a latter-day VOY / ENT vibe which is not in its favor, since that was Trek at its most stilted. Alara's conflict with her dad worked OK, and so did the hostage crisis. Very nice moment where she tells her dad "you can do it," which resonates with their earlier argument. I mostly enjoyed this story for the novelty value of seeing Robert Picardo and John Billingsley in the same scene, and Billingsley playing a bad guy. (This was an alum-heavy episode overall. Molly Hagan, Alara's mom, played a Vorta on DS9, and Patrick Warburton is instantly recognizable to Seth McFarlane fans.)

The B-plot on the Orville with Warburton's new security officer was incredibly jarring and didn't fit with the rest of the episode. Even though I found the *content* of the A-plot standard, I did appreciate how it played as straightforward drama and encouraged us to take it seriously without digressions into random jokes (aside from the occasional Gordon quip, but that's what he's here for).

As to the rumors of McFarlane and Sage dating, it would be a little icky if their relationship ended and that's the reason she's being written off the show. I can't find any straight answers online; it could be as simple as a scheduling conflict, since they left the door so obviously open for her to return. But honestly, actors are fickle creatures (I say this being an actor and working with many actors over the years) who sometimes make odd choices with their careers. We may be looking at a George Lazenby situation where he chose, completely on his own volition, not to return as Bond, thus throwing away his biggest break. Or Denise Crosby, who felt understandably undervalued on TNG S1 but could've gotten some great episodes if she'd stuck it out. Or maybe Sage knows more than we do, and she's making the right choice. Who knows? I'm fine with Alara leaving and fine with her maybe returning someday.

Not the episode's fault, but I laughed out loud when my local FOX station cut straight from a Wendy's commercial to a shot of a woman's finger about to be cut off. Talk about tonal shifts!
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Quibbles
Fri, Jan 4, 2019, 3:46pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

Now that was interesting! "Primal Urges" is "Hollow Pursuits" taken to its logical conclusion, and actually treated with a fair amount of compassion. Bortus' monologue in the shuttle was a moment of pathos I truly didn't expect, especially when he acknowledges how hollow and dead his addiction makes him feel. Was the word "porn" even mentioned on Star Trek? Quark ran sex programs in his holosuites, sure, but that took place far offscreen. Kudos to The Orville for not only bringing up the topic of porn addiction, but actually showing it.

That being said, I still struggle with the show's tone. One minute, Bortus is being stabbed in the chest, and the next, Gordon is making masturbation jokes. At this point, the tonal shifts are a feature of the show, rather than a bug. You like them or you don't. It mostly works for me, but during the porn scenes, it led to some cognitive dissonance. I watch the show in a mixed group of Trek / sci-fi fans and non-fans, and most people were laughing simply at the novel sight of rubber-headed aliens acting out porn scenarios. Whereas it seemed the episode wanted us to feel sad for Bortus screwing up his life. I worry that the show undercuts its own intentions by priming us to expect humor, even during dramatic scenes.

@wolfstar, totally agree that Bortus and Klyden blow Stamets and Culber out of the water as far as a same-sex relationship with characters you care about. Stamets / Culber felt like they were ticking a box ("No same-sex couples so far on Trek? Check!"), but Bortus / Klyden have real arguments, moments of affection, etc. Their relationship lives and breathes, instead of being just a tool in the season arc.

The visual effects are just astounding for TV. The final plunge into the sun was genuinely intense, and the score had a strong Wrath of Khan vibe. My group actually rewound the episode (we DVR it) to figure out if the penis monster with the Jabba the Hutt voice was CGI or a puppet. It looks like a combination to me, maybe a suit with CGI filling in the vocal articulation. I almost wish the refugee subplot had been saved for a different episode, since it's such a dark, rich scenario that could've used more exploration than just a component of Bortus' story. I guess the Orville writers are following the TNG rule of combining character-based A-plots with sci-fi B-plots.

Finally, I do love Bortus, but the rest of the cast is starting to feel underdeveloped. Would love to see more LaMarr / Alarra / Finn episodes that give them this kind of depth.
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Quibbles
Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 4:02pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Ja'loja

Longtime lurker posting here for the first time! I figured the start of Orville S2 would be a good time to jump in. (I will not be watching Discovery S2 since S1 so thoroughly put me off, but I will greatly enjoy watching you fine people tear it apart every week!)

As for "Ja'loja," I loved it! Not everyone's cup of tea, for sure, but if you're a fan of Seth MacFarlane's other shows, you know what to expect. Even on Trek, I always loved these kinds of low-key hangout episodes: VOY's "Someone to Watch Over Me," DS9's "In the Cards." The Orville's sci-fi elements have been pretty weak so far, so I'm glad to see the show lean into its strengths: a laid-back, another-day-at-the-office tone with regular people dealing with regular relationship issues.

I disagree with some of the other posters here; the episode did have a strong thematic throughline of the complexities of dating and romantic relationships (with the exception of the Isaac / Claire subplot). I liked the love triangles being set up among Ed / Kelly / Gordon / Cassius / the new character. LaMarr was fun as a love advisor. The Alara / Dann date was cringeworthy and funny. Probably my favorite small joke was Dann's "I miss you already" text. Too real, Seth. Too real.

I do have to turn off that alarm in the back of my head that goes off whenever the Orville reminds me of a Star Trek episode:

- Bortus' ceremony like Pon Farr from "Amok Time"
- The "your kid is a bad influence" teenage subplot like Jake and Nog in the early DS9 episodes
- Bortus even had a line like "this ceremony is shared with one's closest friends," which is almost word-for-word how Worf refers to his "bachelor party" in "You Are Cordially Invited."

But that's just me and my encyclopedic Trek brain.

Favorite little detail: in the future, the more zippers a jacket has, the cooler it is.
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Q
Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 8:32pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Ja'loja

Not so great, but still better than Short Treks.
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Greg L. Turnquist
Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 8:48pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: In the Pale Moonlight

This is my favorite DS9 episode, possibly favorite episode of the entire ST franchise.

The way it depicts Sisko in such an anti-hero fashion. With such a believable twist of character driven by the threat of war. Well...you have already captured that.

But the fact that it cuts away the ensemble cast and lets Robinson and Avery have the full stage makes it a high quality play. Seeing the back and forth between Garek and Sisko gives me fuzzies.

Everytime I rewatch DS9, I can't help but get excited in every episode which they place Garek. The acting is incredible. Compare that with something like Smallville, where the only "good" acting was the actor portraying Lex.

The creator of DS9, Ira Behr, had always felt TOS and TNG were too "pure" and wanted a different environment. One subject to breakdowns and frailties. Well this episode really shines in depicting such a realistic visage.

That combined with the Section 31 episodes + the moral ambiguities shown with Gul Dukat makes for a relishing series that quickly erased any initial concerns of "how can they create a Star Trek without a starship???"
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Oh My Q
Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 2:49pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Valiant

And so, Starfleet tried to create its own Jem'hadars: an elite of brainless "victory-is-life-sort-of-ketracel-pills-addicted" jerks. Lol, "Captain" Watters... OMQ! OMQ!!!
Do you remember their first appearance in "Paradise lost"? That cadet with a moron-like smile, saying to Sisko "We sabotaged Earth's whatever network, it was a success! Fuck yeah!", not even asking to his brain what kind of crap he just did... "Hey Ben, mission accomplished ain't it? Gimme five! Hurr durr..."
Luckily for Starfleet, Federation, Galaxy and Gene's eternal peace, the REAL Jem'hadars fixed it, TERMINATING the "Red Squad" experience.
As wroten above by Ospero, "I believe I am not supposed to yell "Yes! Go for it!" when I see a Starfleet ship destroyed"... But is what I did. And especially when that stupid bitter brat (1st officer) jumped out from the chair. ]:-)
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Eat at Quark's
Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 9:24am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: The Magnificent Ferengi

Really nobody knows how to make this episode plausible and "canon"?
Quark was bored by federal heroes' tales and invented a great "Spaceball". Maybe nobody at Quark's believed him telling the story, but it was very entertaining.
Well, we too were at Quark's listening to his story, not believing to him but enjoying the tale. :-DDD
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MQ
Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 5:03am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S5: The Inner Light

It's hard for me to truly separate some very specific gripes I have with this episode from the rather poignant emotional story of it all. For one, I agree that it is a bit immersion breaking that they have the technology for a mind probe but not at least the most primitive form of a spaceship. Secondly, that they would consider a mind probe to be the most effective way of proving the existence of their civilization. It's a terrible thing, almost torture, to have someone live an entirely different life and strip that away from them. They couldn't just have some sort of artifact that contained information about the planet's history and people?

I find Junji Ito's exploration of the concept far more believable even if it might be less engaging. Especially since Ito explores the concept of year long 'dreams' as horror and not honored remembrance.
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Q
Sun, Nov 25, 2018, 6:42pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S7: Genesis

It is a simple reason to explain "Genesis":
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I mocked the Enterprise!!! :-P Gnah gnah gnah ghan ghan ghan!
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Quinn Mallory
Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 10:26pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S6: Blink of an Eye

Just got finished watching this after not seeing it since it iriginally aired.

I wondered how the two astronauts even managed to board Voyager considering it had its shields up? Plus, I presume it shouldn’t be as easy as “finding an airlock that fits an alien ship’s access port” or bypassing an alien door lock.

I don’t know if anyone else mentioned it in earlier comments, and I’m too lazy to scroll through them, but does anyone remember a sci-fi book titled “Dragon’s Egg”? I forget who it’s by as it was a book I read in the 80s, but the premise seems to mirror it to the point where it might have heavily inspired this episode.
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4Q2
Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 4:20pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: General Discussion

Is it bad that the sole thing that really made me perk up was seeing a glimpse of a D7 in that trailer?
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Squiggy
Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 10:53pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S3: Doctor's Orders

Honestly I thought the T'Pol twist was obvious from the start. It was very clear in the beginning of the episode that the entire crew would be comatose except him. They wouldn't have made such a big deal about showing him how to work everything if T'Pol was going to be awake too. She was also acting very out of character and I just didn't buy the explanation that she was being affected by the anomoly. As soon as it became obvious the doctor was hallucinating it was clear he was also imagining her as well. Now I still enjoyed the episode, I just felt the twist didn't work.

I wonder he if included almost shooting the captain's dog in his official report.
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Squiggy
Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 8:25pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S3: Twilight

There is a paradox with the parasites in this episode. When they die they cease to have ever existed in the past, so how would they even exist in the first place. Even if they lived a long and healthy life and simply died from old age they would erase themselves from existence.

I really enjoyed the episode though, but as someone mentioned it was really hard to believe that Archer could be shot three times and kept getting back up.
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Chris Q
Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 9:16pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: In the Pale Moonlight

"If there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that bad news invariably comes in the middle of the night." So, so true.
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grandinq
Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 2:12pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Take Me Out to the Holosuite

Fun little episode. I had one nerdy nitpick:

The episode ends showing the baseball the team signed. Why would non-humans know how to write either print or cursive? Why would handwriting still be a thing at all for anyone in this century? That would be like having me write with a quill and ink; it’s a skill that isn’t needed anymore.

I’m not bent out of shape about this. Just a bit of fun.
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Quietbreaker
Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 8:28pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

@William B

You make a good point...HOWEVER. I kiiiiiiinda understand why the writers did what they did. I am no writer, not even a little bit. However, I can understand the huge dilemma that the Maquis represented, and understand why they "snapped into line" pretty quickly. Can you imagine trying to write exploration stories where the conflict is external (like TNG) except you have a ship full of people at odds with each other to a possibly deadly degree? I picture a scene where the Kazon have seen what Voyager can do, so they run off, regroup, and show back up with a big battle group to destroy or capture VOY, and Janeway is standing on the bridge, and orders shields up and weapons to ready. Unfortunately, the Maquis are up to their same tricks and have sabotaged key ship systems in ways that can't just be "beep-beep-boop"ed away by Kim or Tuvok on their panels, and is left completely defenseless. Then, pre-Seska, they get beamed down to some planet and left, and VOY is taken away by the Kazon. Without some heavy (and insultingly stupid) deus ex machina intervention, that's effectively the end of the space exploration part of the show.

So, I understand why the writers gave the Maquis-vs.-Starfleet personnel some token plot elements in the beginning, and then simply flattened them all away fairly quickly, so they could get back to writing external-threat episodes. I mean, I'm not sure how I'd be able to do it myself in that position. You're a Starfleet crewman, and you get sent on an away mission with one or two other guys who were Maquis. I'd suck at my job because I was too busy watching my back waiting for one of them to stick a knife in it or cause my ops board to explode in my face or something.
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Quietbreaker
Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 6:38pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

@ Yanks

I agree with your assessment, actually. That's a really valid point. In fact, I am almost done with season 3 of BSG and frankly, even though I enjoy the show, it's exhausting to watch because the tone is so dark (and frankly, I cannot stand Gaius Baltar). It's taken me the better part of six months to slog even this far. That said, I AM going to finish the series because I do enjoy several of the other actors in the show and I hate leaving things unfinished. But yeah, I couldn't have watched seven seasons of this show if it were that dark.

@ William B

Absolutely. That really was one thing that as the seasons passed got a tad more unbelievable, although the worst offender (which actually knocked me out of the immersion) was when the Delta Flyer got destroyed and somehow was back the VERY NEXT EPISODE. What???!!! Come on, guys. I admit that's probably the one thing that made me feel like the writers didn't even care in the slightest. I mean, sure, the very idea that a ship that had the limited resources that Voyager was supposed to have, being able to produce something like the DF was a huge stretch in the first place. I simply explained it away as it being a possibility that there are large manufacturing replicator-type machines somewhere on Voyager, maybe stashed in a corner of a cargo bay somewhere. That's really the ONLY idea that makes any sense to me. And really, if we are taking Starfleet technology by that time into account, I candidly would expect something like that to exist on EVERY Starfleet ship. I mean, a Galaxy or other deep-space exploration ship isn't going to have easier access to Starbase repair facilities than Voyager does, if we're being candid. So, it just makes sense to me that ships (well, larger than some small scout craft, or maybe something like the Defiant) would have large scale manufacturing capabilities onboard so they could outright replicate entire hull panels, new nacelles, etc. And you know, it would have been so simple to do, since most of Voyager was CGI, if I recall correctly. It would/should have been easy to simply start adding things to the model. Extra external armaments here, blocky components attached to each nacelle increasing their efficiency there, and before you know it, you have a ship that feels lived in. They could have handwaved the ludicrousness of it all away with a simple line of dialogue from one of the characters.

Janeway: "B'elanna, where are we on those new whatchadoodlits for the warp nacelles we got from that passing ForeHeadian trader ship convoy last week?"

Torres: "We'll have finished replicating all of the components for the upgrades in the next 73 hours, and then it will take four days to install them. Oh, Captain, one thing of note. Once the technobabble whatchadoodles are installed, the nacelles will be locked permanently in their warp configuration."

Janeway: "Got it."

And then, maybe in the next episode, during one of the flybys, we see the new modules on the nacelles. It all would have been so simple. It would have also made the show feel more like writers were taking it seriously. They should have had a white-board of all the things they'd received over the years posted up somewhere because it seemed like the Voyager crew were getting updates (either specs/plans, or outright tech like the Transwarp coils) virtually all the time. I lost count of how many times their shields and weapons had been modified or upgraded. I wish we could have seen that.

You know, in retrospect, ENT did that, when they did that one episode about the future Enterprise which had become a generational ship? You could see both inside the ship and out, the physical changes/upgrades/repairs that had been made. It was fantastic, and it really sold that episode for me.
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Quietbreaker
Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 1:09am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

Man, reeaaalllly longtime lurker, first time commentor. I have read Jammer's reviews as well as the conversations (which sometimes devolved into heated debates) in each comments section for TNG, ENT, and now VOY. Like a lot of other folks, I am in the process of going back through full series-watches of all the Trek shows thanks to NetFlix. I had watched TNG and DS9 growing up, but for various reasons never watched VOY or ENT. As of now, I have rewatched TNG, watched through ENT for the first time, and now tonight, finished up VOY after blasting through it in about a month.

After this finale two-parter, all I am left with is a sort of melancholy. Firstly, it's over, and considering that this show ended over seventeen years ago, we'll never see anything with these characters again. It was the same feeling I got at the end of ENT (which I frankly enjoyed for the most part). Secondly, in those final moments wherein we see Voyager being escorted to earth by that fleet of Starfleet ships, I kept thinking about how it was also the end of so many things for those characters. For several years, they had been a very tight-knit family, just them against an entire quadrant of unknown (and unfriendly) space. 152 people in a plucky little space-ship half the size of ships like the Enterprise-D, personal space would have probably been at a premium. There were countless situations that arose where if they had been in the Alpha Quadrant, the Voyager crew could have just radioed Starfleet Command for guidance/direction, but instead had to come up with unorthodox solutions to problems and many times those solutions broke some rule or other. Janeway was the ultimate command authority, and her word was law, whether it jibed with Starfleet regs or not. They were all alone and could only rely on each other. It's what made the show special, to me. Thinking back on TNG, the Enterprise was NEVER alone. There was order, structure, and regulations to be followed all while operating in familiarish territory.

Anyway, so now the Voyager crew gets home, and they're effectively back in an environment where this tight-knit family will be broken up and go their own separate ways to do whatever it is they're directed by Starfleet to do. Really, for me, there was no way the end of this show WOULDN'T have been somewhat sad. Imagine if you're working on a team for seven years that became a family, where everyone addressed everyone else in a familiar way, and then you suddenly get transferred to another ship, and another team where regulations have to be followed to the letter, and there's a stilted formality in place, and the ship is run under a different command style. I couldn't imagine that being a positive change after so much time living another way. So many of the various characters would probably react poorly to this change in circumstances.

One final bit of commentary, I have seen a TON of comments in virtually every episode's review talking about how Voyager is a poorly executed show because somewhere halfway through the second season, they dropped the pretense of trying to follow the initial premise that Voyager was stranded so far from home with finite resources, food, shuttles, etc. I have to say that for ME PERSONALLY, I didn't have a single issue with this. A show where there was constant tension of people starving, working aboard a ship that was badly damaged, in constant need of critical repair, people dying (we'd have chewed through the crew compliment pretty quickly!), and so on would have just been grim and not enjoyable to watch. Or at least, not for 7 seasons. Plus, little things like early on, they made the mistake of numbering how many photon torpedoes they had. Like, what? They have a 70,000 light year journey ahead of them, they'd have gone through their entire compliment of torpedoes just getting out of Kazon space! That would have left them defenseless. Or what about when they were talking about having limited power for the replicators. Power? What about the tanks full of chemicals (or whatever it is) that the replicators use to create things (TNG Engineer's Manual, woo!)? Where were they going to get refills on that?

I get that they originally were going to try to be realistic, and have realistic losses, but I figure someone on the writer's team got smart and realized that there'd be no crew (or ship) left before too long, and there'd be entirely too much of a dark tone to the show. I'm glad they made the decision to move away from it, even if most fans don't. I mean, we knew they weren't going to stick to the plot the first time Janeway was talking about some galactic phenomena or other she wanted to divert course to go see. What? That's not the action of someone desperate to get home, and exploration is definitely not the action of a crew desperate to see their own home and family again in their lifetimes.

Anyway, about the only thing I DO wish they would have incorporated as the seasons went on is some sort of visual evidence of all the modifications and upgrades they had made to the ship and its systems after receiving or finding all of this advanced alien technology through their journey. Instead, each episode, the ship looked the same it had looked in the first episode.

All of the nitpicks aside, this show really gave me a huge nostalgia trip of the days when I was back in high school and my local TV station would replay the episodes of TNG the afternoon following the evening it had originally aired so I could watch the episodes when I got home. A much simpler time, then.
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Q
Mon, Jul 2, 2018, 9:11am (UTC -6)
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story

@Dom

"but honestly I think I preferred the old Expanded Universe backstory in the AC Crispin novels"

"Solo" not colliding with Crispin's novels:
http://www.starwarstimeline.net/latest_news.htm
;)

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Maq
Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 2:38am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S1: Two Days and Two Nights

Nice episode, although I can understand that those who wants more context dislikes it. The Malcom Trip part was overplayed and overdone. Archer OK but when the things suddenly started to happen it was overdone from Keyla. Maywether Plox T'Pol Cuttler, entertaining quit funny but nothing special.
Hoshi, contrary to a some others i find it perfectly OK that she takes the opportunity. Leaving the medical topic aside , not having sex with an alien that you do not know , this reflects our world and also today and perhaps tomorrow. I find it perfectly OK for a woman to decide over her own body. If it is OK for Trip to satisfy his bodily need why not for Hoshi. It is not bad for her character. But she should perhaps have apologised taking advantage of the situation. It was perhaps improper for his culture to get intimate so fast. On the other hand, it was on Risa.

I liked watching it again, but as with the other Risa storys, they looks more promising before than after.
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Maq
Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 4:47pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S1: Dear Doctor

First of all, I like the episode. It had a calm, reflective and intelligent approach. It picked up various aspect of the three races cultures on Enterprise.

Secondly, it is interesting to see the emotions that it rices. I am not sure that Archer to the right decision but to me it does not matter. There is a lot if strange moral considerations in Star Trek , this was one. It was presented in a good way and although I could think of arguments to take another decision in this episode it fits together.

Honestly , interpreting the prime directive in such situations must be almost impossible. And here , when a policy is lacking, what should Archer do. His derision is consistent and understandable.

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Quetzalcoatl
Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 8:48am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S1: Into the Fold

Isaac shooting the game was the high point of this episode imho
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Quetzalcoatl
Sun, Jun 3, 2018, 9:57am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S1: Majority Rule

Didn't Seth already do a similar spin on social media's unpredictability - when you unawarely do something that will get spread to the masses pissing everyone off and face unreasonable harsh consequences - in that Family Guy episode where Brian writes a "bad tweet"?
Seems McFarlan can't help but get his Orville ideas from other shows, even his own ones
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Quetzalcoatl
Mon, May 28, 2018, 1:17pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry

Since the n to Klingons eat dead meat?
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Maq
Sun, May 27, 2018, 5:55am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S7: Parallels

Good ... and romantic. I liked the Worf Troi combination. As he realises this possibility he opens up and removes his guard back in his own universe. Very romantic. Although I personally normally are not found of the alternate universe stories (to much reset button) this was well done , consistent and quite logical.


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