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Oriosiris
Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 4:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

@James

i’m not saying “Stop. Just stop.” People who wish to claim oppressed status often paint those whose viewpoints are different as thought suppressors. Criticism isn’t suppression an attempt at it. People who want a monopoly on the right to expression paint others as being part of a “Enough, we get it , crowd.”
“I will claim others are suppressing me so as to avoid being called out as being a suppressor” is known as projecting.

I think open debate should be encouraged.

But let’s debate about things and ideas and plots and so forth, and not try to tell others they are stupid because “they disagree with me.” It now appears that people who like the show are calling those who don’t, stupid as well. I must admit the name-calling comes from all sides, if not in equal measure. I loved to come to this site and see non-confrontational discussion about the latest Voyager episode and what not. The Internet had barely been developed those days, and I think some people may still have thought it best to exercise self-restraint when responding to differing opinions.

Name-calling isn’t reasonable. Jammer has indeed called people out on it with respect to STP, several episodes ago. I don’ know which exact people he has in mind and don’t want to.

Many people are bitterly critical of any given episode of Star Trek. Some, though, leave detailed analytical reviews on the site. This detailed criticism springs from a place of passion. Saying, “I’m angry because I am passionate” isn’t the same as walking the walk of being passionate, and these posters walk the walk. I respect their opinions even if I disagree, and this is because the reviewers provide enough detail for me to disagree WITH.

Some people - it is not enough, to paraphrase Gore Vidal, for these people to be right; others must be made to understand they are wrong, and stupid, and should not speak again because whatever they say is proof of their stupidity. I don’t like this attitude; it isn’t reasonable.

Reason is what will keep us alive.
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Oriosiris
Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 9:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

It may be the case that in these stressed times, some people are finding release by venting about Star Trek on this site. “Venting” is one thing, but acting hatefully toward others is not. The point of view of people who hate the show is not being suppressed. No one is suppressing the right of people to criticize this show to their heart’s desire. People (most) are simply disagreeing with those who hate the show. Disagreement is not hate. It is having a different opinion. There is no correct answer to the “What is Star Trek” debate. The people who claim they “know” that answer are seem to be the people who bash the show more. Some of the rhetoric from these people comes off as so much intolerance for a point of view that differs from your own (an irony given some of them claim they like Star Trek because it is “about” trying to respect other beliefs or at least acknowledge that legitimate differences of opinion can exist). Some of it is directed at specific individuals involved in the production of the show, which is legitimate, but the criticisms of those individuals are starting to be made without modulation or insight or context - meaning the criticisms are hate posing as analysis. It’d be better if people brought their biases (which may be totally legitimate) to the floor instead of acting as the official Oracles of Received Star Trek Wisdom. Sometimes the criticisms come off as if made by the proverbial party guest still mugging and wearing the lampshade after everyone else has gone home. I note also that none of us are involved in the daily production of the show and that as such these criticisms do not come from a place of special knowledge or insight. At least (as far as I know) no one has sent the showmakers any “Spock Dies, You Die”-type threats.

My fondness for the Treks that have come before,has grown since PIC and DSC. This is not because PiC and DSC are all-bad or all-good (they are neither), but because their mere existence is a reminder that the things we love never truly go away. This reminder can come in handy in this time of crisis.

I wish everyone on this site stays healthy and safe as this pandemic goes over us. I am thankful that I have the luxury of writing this during some free time. I hope over time maybe all of us will learn maybe to be a tiny bit more tolerant of the existence of others.

After all, we’re only mortal.
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