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OmicronThetaDeltaPhig
Fri, May 10, 2019, 5:41am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S1: Mad Idolatry

@Booming

"@ Omicron
If there is a higher being doing all of this and if we believe the monotheistic interpretation of an omnipotent god then this being either went to great length to put us somewhere really average or we aren't special to this being. There is nothing special about our place in the galaxy, our galaxy even our supercluster isn't that special. We are at the complete opposite of where religions see us: in the absolute center."

This, pretty much, was the reason that the Catholic Church originally rejected Copernicus. The problem with argument, however, it is that it attributes petty human weaknesses to a Superhuman being.

Why on earth would you expect God to care about how "impressive" our location is? What makes us special is that we are self-aware. As Sagan once said (and Captain Mercer once stole) "We are the way for the Universe to know itself".

In short, our physical location is irrelevant. Perhaps we could excuse the 16th Century Church for not understanding this, given the primitive state of scientific knowledge at the time.

But a 21st century scholar, whether religious or secular, has no excuse to make a similar error.

"To me it just seems far more likely that we Humans come up with all these concepts like purpose or great saga to feel better about our relatively short existence."

Perhaps we did.

So? Does it make these concepts any less true?

After all, the story of humanity is OUR story. We can CHOOSE to treat ourselves as unimportant specks of dusts. Or we can CHOOSE to view ourselves as a part of something bigger.

One does not even have to be a theist in order to choose the latter route. Star Trek and the Orville advocate it, even though they are secular. Sagan advocated it, even though he was an atheist.

Once again, we have another demonstration of my previous claim that the difference between theists and atheists isn't a big as many people think.

"Were you see purpose I see physical laws."

Why do you believe that these two options mutually exclusive? Yes, the universe works in accordance to physical laws. So?

Stop for a moment to think about this: All the known physical laws of the universe can be summarized a single page of equations (The Standard Model of Particle Physics + General Relativity).

Assuming a purely materialistic view point for a moment, this single page of dense mathematics is what powers EVERYTHING in our universe. From the animals and the trees to the human mind to the mind-boggling way in which strands of DNA can tell a single cell to create a fully-functional baby in 9 months.

Now, I can't say for sure that these equations were designed for a purpose (though I certainly believe so). But I do find it funny when people (both atheists and religious) casually mention the laws of physics as if there's nothing totally awesome about them.

"The thought that yes my conscious may end but the matter that I am now will just become something else. To quote the very misunderstood founder from DS9:"The drop becomes the ocean again." ;)"

I gotta admit that I couldn't care less about where the atoms in my body end up in a million years. After all, the atoms in a human body are replaced all the time.

What matters to me, is that - in the here and now - I am contributing my small part to the ongoing story of consciousness in this universe.

Perhaps as an individual being, I will not be there to witness humanity's first interstellar ships. But I, like you and like every other human being on this planet, am a part of the story that will eventually take place among the stars.
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