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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 5:30am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

@Sean J

You can safely ignore the link. It is of absolutely no consequence to the discussion.

@Booming

I actually think that discussing this here would be far more fruitful then discussing it in an echo chamber of people whose beliefs are virtually identical to one another.

Though it does become repetitive at this point, so this may be good place to stop.

As for those passages which you say are "not open to interpretation":

Taken absolutely literally and without any other assumptions, it is a story/account of what happened one day in the desert in Egypt, over 3000 years ago. God said some stuff to Moses. Moses relayed it to the Hebrews.

That's it.

The minute we go beyond the realm of the literal story and into the possible meaning/lesson of that story, that's an interpretation. It isn't any different really, then the way you would learn from any other piece of literature/art. Or Star Trek, come to think of it.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 3:16am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

@Sean J
"Actually, I use the bible to explain the bible-not man's intrepretion of it."

Couple of problems here:

1. You can't use a verse from the NT to validate the NT. That's circular logic.

2. The question of whether the entire Bible is "trustworthy" is not my point at all. I'm willing to take that as given. My question is: what does it all mean? How do we make sense of all the seemingly contradictory bits of information? We have "love thy neighbor as yourself" and "whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also", but we also have seemingly clear commandments to burn witches, stone disobedient sons and commit genocide.

That's a pretty jarring change of tone, won't you agree?

So that's the problem.

And yes, I'm fully aware that there are answers. Good answers. But I'm also aware that these answers are man-made, and there's more than one solution the problem.

I will add that these interpretations do not happen in a vacuum. Our external knowledge and assumptions play a major part in it. That's why religions evolve over time.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 2:46am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Scavengers

@Dave in MN
"This isn't the first time Mertov has mischaracterized my post history, so I definitely noticed him."

That's Mertov alright.

The worst of it is that the more you try to defend yourself, the more vicious he gets. After he did that to me one time too many, I've simply stopped reading his posts.

As for the random new guys that hop in, attack people personally, and hop right back out: This phenomenon has been going on here for years now. Not sure who all these guys are, but their intent is clear.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 1:00am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Scavengers

@Dave in MN

Have you looked at the usernames of the people attacking you?

With a couple of exceptions, they are either brand new users who obviously came here for the sole purpose of picking a fight, or old users who have a very long history of being jerks in precisely this way.

So you might want to let it go. Not because you are wrong (I have absolutely no idea either way) but simply because it is pointless to waste your time and energy on endless arguments with these people.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 12:32am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

@Sean J Hagins

I'm curious: What are your views of the BIg Bang Theory, evolution and their relation (or lack of) to Genesis 1?
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 12:27am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

@Peter
"You like to quote the Bible a lot. I hate to tell you, but the Bible is very much man's authority."

This can be argued back and forth for all eternity, but it doesn't really matter for the current discussion.

Because nobody really follows the literal Bible. Without some kind of over-arching rules of interpretation, the phrase "following the Bible" is meaningless.

Now guess who made these rules of interpretation? That's right. Humans. And since different humans have different perspectives on the same text, we end up with a gazillion different sects and denominations that all claim to follow the same text.

In short: Regardless of where the Bible came from, the authority of the various churches is definitely human. God may have written the guide, but it's up to us to decide what to do with it.

@SlackerInc
"Why?"

I don't understand your question.

Why you need a specific reason to accept the views of a person you disagree with as legitimate?

The proper question here is "Why not"?

Especially since your post referred to some nebulous "they" who "got their feathered ruffled". Who are "they"? They are all kooks? The specifics of their arguments don't matter?
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 7:00am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Die Trying

I'd like to thank Trent for explaining to us everything that's wrong with the current identity-politics trends.

Indeed, a work of art should not be under any obligation to represent everyone.

Indeed, artists should be allowed to write their characters as they please, and their choices on the matter should be judged (if at all) in accordance to context and intent.

Indeed, ironclad racial quotas are silly. And people should stop whining about their group not being represented (unless it's a systemic bias against them. I'm sure Trent would agree that in this case it is okay to cry foul).

In short:

It would be really nice if all these identity-politics warriors stopped butting their noses into other people's business, and stopped demanding the entire world to conform to their own very narrow definition of "diversity". I would also be nice if they'd stop being so damned aggressive about it, to the point of demonizing (and sometimes even threatening with financial destruction and bodily harm) any person who wants to do things a bit differently.

To summarize: Thank you again, Trent, for explaining why this is such a terrible thing. You've done a better job at it that I could have ever done.

(honestly, I think Trent's last comment must have broken some world record in hypocritical irony)
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 5:35am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

Hopefully there will come a day when no person, religious or not, will do that.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 2:57am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

@SlackerInc
"THE ORVILLE did something similar, which also ruffled some feathers around here. (Funny how sensitive and insecure religious people are about their faith)"

That last remark is a pretty gross over-generalization, wouldn't you agree?

Many religious folks actually liked "Mad Idolatry". And it is also entirely possible to argue that a show was unfair towards religion, without being "insecure". Some of these commenters made pretty compelling arguments, even if I don't agree with them. Their view is just as legitimate as yours or mine.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 2:09am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

What's harmful isn't "preaching" par-se.

What's harmful is psychologically manipulating another person's fears to do what you want. So preaching done IN THAT WAY is - indeed - harmful. And threatening innocent children with eternal hell-fire is about the most extreme form of this imaginable.

Of-course the impact is greatly reduced when the statement is uttered by a random guy on the internet, on a forum where free discussion is encouraged. :-)

@Booming
"I guess when it comes to defining the wicked that many religions and sects start to become problematic."

Indeed.

I personally see the phrase "God will Judge us" as a simple reminder that we are accountable for our actions and that every person is obliged to make a serious effort to do good and be wise. And blindly accepting any (man-made) church as an absolute authority doesn't strike me as either good or wise.

Thankfully not all religious people do that.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 11:04pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: The Corbomite Maneuver

We had Data playing poker, though, which is almost as good.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 11:02pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Die Trying

@Elstrifor
"I hope that future discussions do not get derailed by certain individuals."

So do I. :-)
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 4:20am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Die Trying

@Booming
"You may not have noticed it but I only react, I barely ever act. The last 20
interactions I had were always a person insulting me. I insult that person."

Four huge problems with that:

1. If the person insulted you on purpose and without previous provocation, then he is a jerk. If you start an insult war with a jerk, you gain nothing. Everybody loses in such a situation.
2. If the other person didn't have a malicious intent, then picking a fight with them makes even less sense.
3. You are taking things way too personally here. Yes, I know, it's a classic case of a pot calling a kettle black, but that's precisely why I'm allowing myself to say this to you: I sometimes have the same problem. Used to be far worse, but I'm slowly getting the hang of the right balance.
4. You are actively seeking these conflicts. You admitted yourself that you like the "action". You constantly walk around poking people, and you enjoy watching them squirm. You are actively goading them to enter this kind of cycle with you, and then blame them when it gets out of hand.

#4, specifically, is the reason that the blame for all these insult-wars falls squarely on your shoulders.

And since you *are* quite sensitive, the person who suffers the most is you. It starts with "I want to alleviate my bordom", continues with "I gotta show those fools who is right", and ends in you hating yourself for hours after the incident ended.

In short, you should really *really* stop doing this. For your own sake.

Note:

I am not interested in turning this into another argument or even a discussion. Right now you are an extremely unpleasant person to be with. Sorry, but that's the truth.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 3:22am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Die Trying

@Jammer
"I answered that user because they are always harping on the point that I should take actions I've already said I won't."

That's not what I was doing.

No offense Jammer, but it looks like you have prejudice against me in this respect, and that this prejudice is preventing you from even listening what I'm actually saying.

That's unfortunate. Because I really do care about your forums. If I didn't, why on earth would I put myself on the line like that? Ever thought about that? You think I *enjoy* this kind of thing? Or maybe that I've just flipped a screw?

Any way, if you don't want to me bug you again, I won't bug you again.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:23pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Die Trying

@Mal
"I know that Star Trek has that reputation for bad child actors, but honestly, I liked a bunch of them."

Classic Trek featured literally hundreds, if not thousands, of different children. There are bound to be a few excellent actors in the mix.

But most of then are completely forgettable.

"TNG's Disaster is one of my favorites, in large part because of the three kids with Picard in the turbo lift."

I agree that the episode is a very good one and the Picard/kids scenes are written extremely well.

But among the three child actors in that episode, only the girl that played Marissa was good.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 8:28am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Die Trying

@Britz94
"But in all seriousness, the women in ST:P browbeating an 80 year white man was extremely disturbing. The only explanation is that the writers of that show are psychopaths."

In all fairness, this has less to do with any woke politics thing, and more to do with the way ST:P seeks to destroy the legacy of the TNG Captain Picard.

They went to great lengths to completely ruin the character and his message, as well as all the worldbuilding that TNG has done. It's a blunt and deliberate rewrite of Trek's history, 1984-style.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 7:50am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Die Trying

@Mal

It also help's that the child actor playing Ty is quite good. The child actors on Trek are usually terrible.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 7:45am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Die Trying

@Jason R.
"Why would he 'have to' close anything down? Is running a forum where people argue alot illegal?"

Jammer himself said he'll do it if things get too out of hand.

Though I'd worry more about the possibility that the endless arguments will simply make the interesting stuff near-impossible to find.

If we haven't reached that point already.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:38am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Die Trying

As a big fan of the the Orville, I will be the first to agree that the show has flaws.

Nameless cardboard characters (which is what Dave MN was talking about in regards of DSC's diversity) is not one of these flaws, though. Characters who fall in stereotypes is a completely different issue, and the way the Orville deals with it is complicated:

I can certainly see Quincy's point that the Orville Characters are *based* on stereotypes. The fact that (say) Dr. Finn is a single black mom is probably not a coincidence.

Does she really fit the stereotype that has this name? Or is the show deliberately uses that started point to subvert the trope?

And why does it even matter?

In my view, it doesn't. As long as she is written as a well-rounded, relatable, capable, respectable character, who cares?
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 9:42pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Forget Me Not

@Mal

I don't recall Barcley maliciously and openly abusing his crewmates (the holodeck doesn't count).

Intent is the key here.

And I gotta say I got a chuckle out of your "Bravo" to Jammer. Maybe refraining from a ban would have been praiseworthy, if it had followed from a clear policy that is actively implemented.

But it doesn't. Jammer's response was nothing more than a kneejerk reaction which could be summed up as "I really don't want to think about this sh*t, stop bothering me. Go deal with this mess yourself".

I guess this is understandable. Actively moderating an online forum is a very emotionally taxing job, and I doubt Jammer realized what he is getting into when started these forums.

So I can't really blame the guy for his habit of running to hide under a rock whenever things heat up here. But awarding this paralysis with applause is a bit much.

@Wolfstar

Thank you.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 1:22pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Die Trying

@Booming
"I get it. You want to silence me."

No. I have no interest in silencing your opinions. I just want you to stop trolling and stop maliciously attacking people just for kicks.

Alas, we don't always get what we want in life (and I'm obviously in the minority here).

(the rest of your post isn't even worth replying to)
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 12:32pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Forget Me Not

Whoa, Jammer!

Was that slap in the face of the people who care about your community really necessary? "asking me to shut down people they don't like"?

If you don't have the time to properly deal with the situation here, fine. We understand. But please, don't just rudely dismiss people who are telling you that your house is on fire.

Our complaints have absolutely nothing to do with "people we don't like". It has to do with the basic rules of civil discourse, which are rapidly evaporating here.

At let me tell you something else:

If I were a troll, or any other person looking for trouble, I would take your comment as an open invitation to wreck havoc on your site. Trolls *love* it when moderators do this.

You might as well posted "Trolls and pests! Come on down to party on my site! You have my blessing and nobody will stop you! And if anybody complains, you won't even have to mock them because I'll do it for you!".

Seriously, if you can't think of a way to make the situation better, you could at least refrain from making it worse.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:21am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Die Trying

@Jason R.
"Huh. Is this guy a critical race theorist or a white supremacist?"

Difficult to tell these days, isn't it?

@Paul M.
"But spending time counting cis white males and trans magenta Ferengis in every single episode of every single TV show is a sign of either (a) extreme insecurity, (b) extreme lack of imagination, or (c) both."

Or (d) they are actually talking about worrying industry-wise (and country-wise) trends, with the TV show in question just being cited as an example.

Because there *are* worrying trends. And a person does not need to be obsessed with identity-politics to be scared-out-of-his-wits by what's going on.

Part of what makes these discussions so frustrating, is that everybody thinks the other person has some kind of ulterior agenda. Same thing with the political discussions. It's always "my camp vs your camp". You try to appeal to the basic decency of other people, and they label you as an enemy.

I mean, look at the situation of race in Hollywood and the media. It's bloody obvious. It's not even a latent bias against cis white males. It's an agenda that's declared openly. There are actual rules in many places that force this bias, and people are actually giddy about this chance for "revenge".

Not to mention this strange new trend where people think that prejudice against cis white males is okay because they are "the majority".

This kind of thing should alarm any ethical person, regardless of their race.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:17am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Forget Me Not

Dear Jammer,

Booming has been trolling our boards for years and openly admitted his malicious intent more than once. I, for one, am sick and tired of this. Please do something do about it.

Thank you.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:16am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: Forget Me Not

@Booming
"I didn't read your last longer post."

Who cares? It wasn't meant for you anyway.

A greater concern is that - long and winded as that post was - Jammer didn't read it either. So I'm going to summarize it in a minute:
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