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OmcironThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:39am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Nepenthe

@Booming

"Oh, I misremembered that. I guess killing wild animals is a different matter."

The TNG line is so vague that it can be interpreted in many different ways. The only thing that's virtually certain, is that the situation in TNG's 24th century is better then it is now, where animals are slaughtered en-mass in an industrial manner.

It isn't the killing itself that's the main problem today. I'm not even sure that killing animals for food is morally wrong. But the way it is done these days - there's really no doubt in my mind that our descendants are going to view that as a very barbaric practice.

"These guys [Klingons] are two bad food rations away from cannibalism anyway."

Didn't they actually cross the cannibalism line in Discovery? It was quite a feat, to make the eating habits of the Klingons even *more* disgusting than it was before.
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OmcironThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 1:28am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Jason R.
"In evaulating relative 'success' one also needs to consider the value of the intellectual property on which the show is based. A $500,000,000 net profit could be considered a roaring success for an unknown independent film or a cataclysmic failure for an established franchise.

Star Trek is a major established franchise with a built-in audience. That has a massive dollar value to it which sets the bar at a far higher level for 'success' relative to a show like The Orville."

The real question is if and how these shows are going to be remembered in the moderately far future. What impact will they have on the next generations (pun not intended).

This new kind of Star Trek may be making CBS tons of money, but will it be remembered in 30/50 years the way that TNG and TOS are remembered now? Will it inspire young people to create a better world or to pursue careers in science? Is there anything unique to this version of Star Trek, when we compare it to a dozen other money-making flashy pieces of entertainment?

I don't see it. And given the fact that the show runners obviously don't care about anything but $$$ , there's little hope of turning back the clock on this front.

The Orville, on the other hand, is a pioneering show that will be remembered for a very long time. Even if it gets canceled shortly as an individual show, it will - at least - be remembered as a proof of concept. It was the first show that dared to question the assumption that the days of optimistic thoughtful sci fi are long over.

And where the Orville went, other shows will surely follow. I'm pretty sure that in a few decades, the Orville will be remembered as the show that started this new wave of sci fi shows.

I will end with the following food for thought:

When people ask me which TV shows I'm a fan of, I no longer say Star Trek. Not out of spite, but simply because trying to explain what I mean by "Star Trek" is getting increasingly confusing. You just can't start explaining, in casual conversation, that you aren't refering to the show that's currently airing or the movies that came out in the past 10 years. Nobody is going to sit and listen to the end of such convoluted explanation.

So I say "The Orville". That's the easiest, most concise way for me to define the thing that I love in terms that non-fans would understand. It's also quickly becoming the first phrase that comes to mind, whenever I think of a hopeful future.

That, my friends, is the power of branding. And that's what CBS has lost when it insisted on Marvelizing the Star Trek franchise.
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