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Nolan
Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 11:07pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

@Ian and Quincy

I also got the impression that the acid was disitegrating her and the phaser, the phaser blew up, then whatever was powering her blew up due to the damage resulting from the phaser overload and caused that giant explosion that knocked Picard on his ass.

Big-badda-boom.
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Nolan
Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 10:15pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

Of course, if this show is indeed about Picard revitalizing Starfleet, it's a shame that season 3 of Discovery is all set to do what Discovery does best, by wading in and being a poor reflection of things past, as it seems to be that in the future that show jumps to, the Federation and Starfleet are naught but a distant memory, somewhat invalidating the narrative thrust Picard seems to be aiming for.

Can they please just drop that show in it's own universe so Discovery can become Dis-continuity already? Who kmows, maybe if I knew it wasn't just constantly fraking with what's been established I could enjoy it for what it is.
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Nolan
Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 2:29am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

Oh, I forgot to mention; how much does everyone think Lore might be involved in some of this somehow? I know, it's all early speculation at this point, but if I had to guess, Maddox used HIM for his experiments, and Lore using his "children", set Mars on fire.

Which, Mars being on fire. Interesting development.
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Nolan
Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 12:21am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

@John Harmon

Yeah, say what you will about "Faith of the Heart/Where My Heart Will Take Me," but you know after binging six episodes at some point that song'll start spilling out. Don't think I could hum the Picard theme. And I don't think there's going to be any bloopers of the cast breaking out in a rendition of their theme after a particularily dramatic line reading either... "Dahhh, dadada, dadada da da..."
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Nolan
Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 12:00am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

@Rahul

Hven't seen Star Trek: Nemesis or (2009) lately I take it, as both those answer your questions about Data and the Romulan supernova respectively. ;-)
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Nolan
Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 11:23pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

Picard airs on actual TV in Canada, which is nice, but does mean I have to wait and avert my eyes from parts of the internet for a chunk of the day, ah well.

I guess TV's made a resurgence in the 24th century (25th?) Given past series said it died and gave the impression all news was written.

However, the magic and holo tech plays so much better here than in Discovery. It feels like natural progression rather than sticking out like a sore thumb.

Good to see Ten-Forward again, though the CGI to recreate the iconic windows was a bit... ehh.

I am so glad that the Romulans are getting a big arc; they've been criminally under and misused so far. Though I'm still a bit miffed about Romulous getting destroyed. I always felt with proper use of the Tal Shiar, one could have a good Trek political/spy thriller on their hands, ala Bourne, Bond, Three Days of the Condor, or heck, even The Winter Soldier. And I'm still hoping for that ENT continuation (I know, I know)

That said, I found myself getting really invested in this, to the point it made me realize how casually I'd been watching other shows (lookin' st you, Arrowverse, with all your predictability and uninspiredness.)

And honest to god call-backs and reverence for what came before, rather than changing things for change's sake. Disco shoulda known that, but it was too busy being a cash grab. (Though, I guess I owe it somewhat, cause I doubt this show would've been greenlit if the interest wasn't shown to be there.)

I will say, that while I like DS9 for it's serialization, I don't know if Trek works as a fully serialized series. On-going plot threads, myth arcs, and some multiple episode plot arcs have shown to be really successful, in fact, DS9 and to an extent ENT showed how to do story arcs in Trek successfully, because in those there was overarcing stories and themes, but each episode maintained it's own identity and focus, whilst contributing to the bigger story, even if it was a one-off because it allowed for some pacing. I don't mind heavy serialization, but I'm starting to miss the semi-serial/episodic format. That's where Trek lives at its best I think.

All that said, I'm looking forward to getting back into new Trek with characters that have embodied the comfort zone. Picard still seems like someone it'd be a pleasure to spend time with, much like he did as TNG went on. And I also don't have to be on gaurd for some dodgy continuty to slap me in the face. (Although I still hate the title. Way to suck the drama out of it for newbs when they get to BoBW or CoC)

Is it next week yet?
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Nolan
Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 7:03pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: Dagger of the Mind

@Kristy Miller

"The Gamesters of Triskelion" maybe?
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Nolan
Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 7:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Profit and Lace

@Fenn,

Yeah... kinda been dreading you getting to this one. DS9 hits some strong highs, but when it hits those lows... it plummets.
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Nolan
Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 7:34pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: A Simple Investigation

I ALWAYS forget this happened post Odo's de-solidification. Course I always think of this episode as "the one where Odo has sex", which DOES make sense pre "The Begotten."

Presumably, because Odo has lived as a solid, the knowledge of how to replicate the "full" human body, inside and out now rests within him. Whether he chooses to replicate his organs all the time or not is a matter of debate, although I guess that would mean we might see him eat once in awhile after this. Though maybe he doesn't like the hours long digestive process. But he can probably replicate all the necessary equipment and brain impulses to enjoy intimate acts if need be.
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Nolan
Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 7:28pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

Another episode with shades of "Poor parenting choices"

@Peter G. I think you meant Season 3's "Distant Voices" as "Whispers" was the O'Brien's 'everything is wrong and everyone is in on it' episode.

As for revelation, it does add some wrinkles to Bashir, but I don't think it goes out of it's way to adversely change his character on it's own. Perhaps in conjunction with other events, but that's just characterization marching on I think.

What I do like is how it retroactively works too. First with the aforementioned "Distant Voices" - ehich also gives that episode some additional context that elevates it somewhat, but also with "Our Man Bashir", which Trek reviewer SFDebris analysed from a post Augment revelation point of view. Essentially "OMB" lets us the audience, and Garak, in on Bashir's fantasy. Not of being a spy, but of being able to live a life as the exceptional, superhuman he is. The fate of the world in his hands, the detail-oriented work, seeking out and playing other's weaknesses against them. AND being able to non-fatally shoot a man (Garak) in the neck with pin-point accuracy. And being able to make quick, calculated decisions on the fly. All with Garak mock it, but in reality dancing around the truth of it all and either missing it, or knowing full-damn well what it all meant to Bashir.

Honestly, even if this twist wasn't planned, I don't really have a problem given how well it can be placed upon the previous foundations laid out.
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Nolan
Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 7:10pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Begotten

I think in some Trek episodes it's easy to get hung up on story minutia nowadays and muddle the big point the writers were aiming for. Can't see the forest for the trees as it were. The trees in this case being "shock therapy" and "experimentation" which DO carry a lot of connotations on their own, yeah, but here is just the Trek Twist TM on the "Carrot v. Stick" or "Caring or Clinical" parental/childhood development message.

Here we've got an episode essentially arguing for moderate spanking (or even just punishment for bad behaviour) and pushing your kids, but without beating them or negleting the child's needs. It's "parenting is hard, but approach it with balance, caring and understanding, and sometimes you'll have to push your kid a bit harder than you or they'd like, but it's only to encourage their development"

Let's be honest, Odo likely would be a helicopter parent if given the chance, and his kid would never grow and become independent.

As for Mora, even though he didn't know he'd fallen into a parental role at the start, he never really fully stepped into it either, or perhaps, didn't know how. At the start he's still not fully acknowledging Odo's independence and measuring his personhood by his successes and criticising his lack or it in other places.

And given Mora's role, it's easy to see how Odo got where he did and made his choices. Always looking for belonging, but never finding it, closing himself off when around those that might give it to him. And no wonder he rejected the Founders. He felt a sense of home with them, but also saw the familiar detachment and cruelty he'd "grown up" with. And then he's tried to build that belonging, first with the abandoned Jem'Hadar, a bit with Kira, and now with this baby changling. And all failed, although, through the baby changling he was able to build a bridge back to Mora, and find, if not belonging, at least understanding between them.
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Nolan
Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 3:12pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S1: Past Prologue

Garak having an ambiguous sexuality is so Garak that I choose to not question the way anyone reads it, hah.
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Nolan
Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 11:29am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: Minefield

@Burger

Presumably thdt's the sounds the characters are hearing from within their suits as their mag boots activate and connect with the hull. At least, whenever there's sounds in space on these showd, that's how I justify it's common occurance. Why do we hear Phasers and torpedoes and explosions? Rule of cool, dramatic license, obviously. But in universe I just take it as the shows presenting the characters experience as well.

Plus, the sound is a short-hand way of acknowlegding to the audience that the writers etc. are aware there's no gravity in space without wasting airtime explaining why they're walking around. If there wasn't the sound of them clomping around, then someone would've asked how they could be walking around on the hull in zero gravity. It's all about balancing those plausiblities and justifications for the audience in a cohesive way to make the show work in as efficient manner as possible in order for the episode to get to it's point without too much extraneous baggage.
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Nolan
Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 9:56pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S4: Suddenly Human

@Booming, I mean, as a Canadian that knows Toronto is the most American part of Canada, I was going to initially leave a comment, but I decided I didn't need to enter into a patriotism measuring contest.

...

Aw crud. ;-P
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Nolan
Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 1:41pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S2: Profit and Loss

@Fenn

Yes, as far as Casablanca homages go, Quark is no Bogie, that's for sure. Play it again, Rom.

(BTW, perhaps you may want to skip the opening titles for the season 4 and 7 premiere episodes when you get there)
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Nolan
Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 5:35pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Pen Pals

I mean, the development of a society is a process, so I would think a threshold should exist to determine where to step in and extend a friendly hello. If Enterprise was still going, I could see a small arc of episodes where the crew, thinking they're helping, offers to help a society out with some tech, only for it to end up causing armageddon. (Though they did get close a couple times)

But this whole "interfering" thing. Just being in space means you're interfering. You land on a meteor travelling through space and take some readings, collecting some samples. You end up altering it's mass or trajectory, or heck add or kill any microbes to/on it, that meteor is now either not going to hit the planet it eventually was going to, or will hit a planet, but with an entirely different outcome (assuming panspermia) than it would have.

I can also see issues where interfering when things have gotten past a certain point so that the inhabitants of a world could only assume a kind of divine intervention as the interference could go against scientific projections, leading to that resurrgance of dormant religious dogmas - which may lead to new religious wars or something. So great caution is needed.

There are instances where even disceet interference should not be attempted. Anything with a "man-made" origin, for example. For arguement''s sake, let's just all agree for now that climate change is real. Then an alien comes along and adjusts our biosphere to be able to handle it. What then? People lose trust in scientific experts entirely, society grows more superstitious, and we don't learn anything and risk repeating that mistake. And if climate change had lead us to an extreme and we were on the brink of destruction and some alien surruptiously saved us? Same result. (Though an interesting counterpoint is Superman and how HE saves the world all the time - how would he fit in with the PD?)

No, I'd argue that interference itself should be limited to unforseen natual planetary disasters, and made to look like natural unforseen windfalls. And preferrably without putting boots on the ground. Lest we end up with Into Darkness' or Discovery's opening. (Which, hey, something both of those almost got right)

But strict adherence to non-interference is just too cold and aloof. The only difference between us and Q would be that we don't show up to rub noses in the fact we COULD have saved them. The PD is something that absolutely needs to be reassessed and debated by a crew everytime an issue involving its' use arises. Not just as a reason, a scapegoat to not getting involved as often is the case.
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Nolan
Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 6:23am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Pen Pals

@Booming

The second part not making sense; yes and no. First because it's really its own two parts of non-interference. The "internal matter" part makes sense. Don't step in to resolve conflicts. Partially ties in with the not giving tech to less developed species part. But also, "don't wade into a situation and impose our ideals as a form of conflict resolution", regardless if the society is less or equally developed. I doubt the Enterprise would intervene if they happened across a world in the midst of nuclear war. That society might die, but if they did that to themselves, why'd we want them in space?

The second part of the "don't help" doctrine is the one that often doesn't make sensr, at least not as presented. It's always couched as "what if we mess up this species' natual development" rather than, "what'll happen to us if we start accruing a reputation of being godlike across the galaxy?" Could humanity withstand that much of an ego boost? Or would they become like Q in dispostion, handing out destiny based on their own alien value judgements? Is that a postion OUR society would want to be in? Could we withstand it?

Of course, the answer is to develop a protocol for this type of interference that would do much to negate that risk, based around the idea best stated by Futurama's "godbeing": "If you do things right, people won't be sure you did anything at all." Interfere, but for goodness sake, don't be blatant or showy about it.
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Nolan
Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 1:48pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S5: Redemption, Part II

@Fenn

That would be Denise Crosby. Well, at least, it was her idea to come back via the character of Yar's daughter. Although I think she was thinking Yar and the officer fron the Ent-C would be the parents. I think it was Ron Moore, who overall I like as awriter, though he can lose perspective when he starts getting too creative and into it.

Sela is another reason I wish the writers coulda wrapped their heads around the Romulans. I think they were perfect for classic political thriller type stories, given their duplicitous nature, they're history with the Vulcans, the Tal Shiar and the constantly shifting nature of their relationship with the Fenderation. Then J.J. made Star Trek '09, and made that way more complicated.

(I'm aware STO deals with, and has some well regarded storylines involving Romulous and Sela, but I can't really get into that game. And I'm sure there are novels, but that's not the same)
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Nolan
Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 6:06am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S4: Fourth Season Recap

@Jason

Thanks! Those are all really good episode choices, the best of the best of each of the series you picked for. "Devil in the Dark" is a good choice for TOS, (and a really good lesson for a girl her age to see) though I'm almost inclined to start her Trek journey off with "The Corbomite Maneuver".

As for TNG, while picking the best eps might be a good idea, I dunno if they showcase quintessential TNG. Who the characters are, the stuff they'd face week to week, that sorta thing.

I was about her age when I got into TNG, znd Trek in general, but I can't for the life remember what my first ep was, since I caught it on weekend-long marathons on the old "The New TNN" before it became Spike. If I had to guess it was maybe "Phantasms "or "Emergence"... both out there episodes that might spark the imagination. In a similar vein "Disaster" might be a good one to start her on since it showcases all the characters... but I dunno, this series is hard cause there's so much choice and varied stories.

DS9 maybe "Babel", "Visionary" or "Civil Defense". (I'd go with the pilot, but that's got a ton of TNG baggage/backstory/spoilers to just jump in with) I'd probably tell her to hold off on DS9 for serious binging for a couple years anyway.

I suspect Voyager she may identify with the most. And being 12 years old, Seven and the Doctor would be characters she'd likely relate to... "Phage", maybe, or "Macrocosm" perhaps. "Dragon's Teeth", "Tsukatse" or "Blink of an Eye" might be good too.

Enterprise... eh, "Broken Bow"? I might've said "Vox Sola", but the goo creature might be a bit much. Maaaaybe "Cogenitor"?

Interestingly, I was curious and after convincing my friend (who I see more often than I get to see my cousin) to actually watch Trek, I started him on a chronological (curated) watch through. Starting at Broken Bow. He's enjoying it for the most part. But he doesn't have the compentcy of the prior casts or the feeling of rehashing certain beats and themes to contwnd with either. It'll be interesting to see what happens as we move into the older shows though...

I'm willing to potentially burn his view of Trek, but I don't want to risk that happening to my cousin, hence my overthinking the chance of Trek's first impression. It's surprising how daunting a prospect it is, introducing this huge franchise to someone.
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Nolan
Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 7:09pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S4: Fourth Season Recap

Okay, wasn't sure where to post this because it's a really broad and general Star Trek franchise question the answers to which might also have spoilers from accross the franchise for any new fans. I chose here because it's probably the last place a new fan would go (unless going chronologically) and therefore the most safe.

Anyways, my cousin's 12 year old daughter said the magic words, that she wants to watch Star Trek, and I get to be her shepherd throught this franchise. Given she has interest in being a doctor (surgeon to be exact) I've already picked out some medical-centric episodes for her (Ethics, The Quickening, Transfigurations) but I'm still not sure those might be good jump on points to know if she'll like the characters etc. Plus I want her to get a taste for the variety of stories Trek has.

So my question is this; what are some good episodes to introduce her (or anybody) to Trek with (of each series) that don't require any background plot or spoil any major twists?

This is a very active and vocal and largely well-spoken group of fans on this site and I look forward to the potential replies.
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Nolan
Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 4:17am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S6: Aquiel

@Franklin

You're comment intriuged me, so I went and read the Memory Alpha entry for the episode for clarification. Long and short of it is that Rocha was the guy murdered, by the creature. It went to attack Aquiel, she shot it, driving it away while also leaving a bit of it on the deck plate, alá a bloodstain. Then the wounded creature ate her dog, and became it.

Residue in sickbay isn't a full creature, just some bit left over. I mean Geordie had to shoot at ole yeller for quite awhile before it went down, and presumably Aquiel couldn't manage to get that long of a shot of while under the pressure of wrestling with the creature. Much like the writers with this episode couldn't either.
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Nolan
Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 3:44am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Sons and Daughters

Man, I feel bad about my previous comment. I can spout off about the pointlessness of stupid "gotcha" comments that damage discourse, yet there I go, dropping one like some smug idiot.

Anyway, regarding the "No bad mothers" topic, in addition to Lwaxana, there is also Quark's mother, Ishka, who I'm sure would be described as some asa social justice warrior, and for once rightly so, since she did. She could slso be seen as the Ur example of a feminist. But she was a TERRIBLE mother. Favoritism, being apparent in her disdain for her husband IN FRONT OF her children and putting her own desires ahead of the needs of her kids to their detriment.

I believe Guinan herself, mysterious as she was also mentioned some difficulties with one of her children in one episode or another.

BOTH of Seven's parents were criminally unaware of the danger they put their daughter in as they pursued scientific discovery.

B'Elanna's dad may have left her, but her mother, if I recall correctly tried to force a heritage on her without seeing the difficulties B'Elanna was having with that part of herself.

There is a reason that "Daddy issues" is an ubiquitous trope, because a lot of writers seem to experience it and put it into their writing and a lot of people seem to relate to it. It's almost like bad parenting extends beyond lines of gender and politics, and the implication of its representation being somehow tied to either of those two in an attempt to shoehorn it into the BS Left v Right dichotomy arguements is folly, because it is a crappy thing in life that happens regardless of political stance.

And boy, lemme tell you, I am sick of all these LvR arguments all over the internet and having every. Single. Little. Thing being reduced to that inane and stupid conflict, especially when it's a damn spectrum and not a this or that choice. By and large, no one seems to talk things out anymore, instead just viewing a stance on a topic as an indicator of political belief and insult or denegrate as applicable. It's really quite short-sighted of us all, and darn tiring to read everyday.
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Nolan
Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 7:59pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Sons and Daughters

D K

Nice try, but Lwaxana F@#&ing Troi.
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Nolan
Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 1:07am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S1: Emissary

You know, something I've thought about before and that occured to me again as I watched a clip of the scene between Sisko & Picard in the observation lounge was that, while people remark and some claim to dislike how the shows created after Roddenberry's death didn't hold up the ideas of 'Star Trek', there's possibly an in-universe reason to excuse the different writing styles/character behaviours of the other shows (yes, including, *sigh* Discovery)

And that is that the Enterprise was the flagship of the Federation. To be a part of it's crew there's likely a requirement to uphold the Federation ideals more than any other ship. It's not just the "best of the best" in regards to talents, but also, perhaps, behaviour. (Excepting positions the Captain filled at the start of the series, Riker)

All the Starfleet characters of DS9 and Voyager (and Disco) aren't good enough to serve on the Enterprise, and thus, aren't held to as high a standard as the Enterprise crew. Hence interpersonal conflict, and behavours us fans might not expect from Star Trek characters (Sisko hosting "Poisoned Planet Swap" for one)

I mean, obvioudly it's really just shifting ideals and writing quality in the writer's room, but it perhaps covers the disconnect some fans see in the characters and what they expect of Starfleet officers, even if it is just an excuse.
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Nolan
Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 12:07am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Meridian

@intergalactichegemon

A paycheck? ;-P
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