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NS8401
Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 12:14am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Deflectors

@SlackerInc:

So a show set on an "exploratory vessel" with next to no exploring and seemingly sitting in space in one spot episode after episode seems realistic? A crew frittering it's time away in endless love seeking with each other mode seems equally realistic? Ok then...

I'm gonna try to play a little devils advocate here, I'll then run and hide from the pitchforks and torches...

The first season as uneven as it was had more exploring, more variety and an average of 1-1.5 million more viewers and about half a point in the demographic. The first episode of season 2 (which was an atrocious choice for a premiere, they should have run the one from the 1st season first, it had more of a hook for the wider audience that came with football) had 8 million viewers which is about a million more than season 1's average. After the lame "Ja'Loja" aired about 3 million fewer have watched all of the other episodes and it's averaging around 1.75 million viewers less. The relationship stuff doesn't appear to be working and it looks like 1-1.5 million viewers have given up. From a business standpoint that doesn't help this show at all. I've seen a couple of the sites that do over unders on renewals saying the Orville is at about a 50-50 shot at renewal for a third season. FOX is very patient and lenient with Seth MacFarlane but that only goes so far. At a certain point if you put the viewers to sleep you get the axe.

This upcoming two parter looks exciting and "Home" and "All The World Is Birthday Cake" were pretty exciting overall but the season has been really sleepy so far and the numbers reflect that.

Personally I'm tuning in to see things you could really only do on a ship exploring things in space. If I wanted the love story of the week they could say "oops ship blew up" and do this on a planet or space station or really anywhere. That was the reason I liked Voyager (despite it's inherent flaws) over DS9... one actually went and did something... the other was a chore to sit through... and go nowhere... and do nothing but talk... and talk... and when we're done talking... talk some more... The Orville is unfortunately and inexplicably rocketing down that path and for my money I don't think it's gonna work out.

Now I'll go run and hide.
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NS8401
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 2:00pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Deflectors

Is anybody else tired of doing romance centered conflict and near bottle shows on the ship where not much else happens? I’d like to see some space battles or cool sci-go concepts or them going somewhere to do something on a mission... it seems all they do is sit and have time off... that part is starting to rub me the wrong way.

Not a bad episode but the romance and sex allegories need to be toned down... it’s getting really repetitive...
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NS8401
Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 9:35am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: All the World Is Birthday Cake

The new actresses performance left much to be desired for me. At times it sounded so casual I thought Seth McFarlane found someone at the bar and in a drunken stupor gave them an acting job. She completely airmailed in her annunciations of words among other issues.

This episode was a complete mess. I agree with those who say it started off well enough but then fell apart later. I find myself getting bored with these sorts of episodes and it seems like any real action is coming every third episode and a lot of talking in circles is used as filler in the meantime. That said the episode played itself as if it was an actual episode of Star Trek and I’d say that Robert Duncan McNeill directing it didn’t it’s cause if that was the aim. But you can only do so many of these in a show and this feels like the 3rd or 4th variation already without much in the way of new material to add to the overall motif.
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NS8401
Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:27pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Nothing Left on Earth Excepting Fishes

@CharlesJ:

I find this show a lot easier to digest if you simply insert the Trek equivalent species and move accordingly. The Krill are the Cardassians. Your mileage may vary.

The Chak’tal exist in this episode to move the plot as the means to an end. The wretched episodes on this show (like the wretched Ja’loja) are snores. I was bored watching that hour grind on. This plot at least moved along at a decent pace. What the Orville is suffering from for the moment is weak writing from the first season. The first several episodes didn’t really do much world building or much of anything really. Maybe that’s because it’s supposed to seem familiar by being a photocopy of older Trek with the names changed to protect the innocent. Viewed that way it’s a lot easier to drop in and immediately get what’s going on. You really can’t sit and expect something new and exciting here. That isn’t the point.
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Ns8401
Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 2:17am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Nothing Left on Earth Excepting Fishes

One part of this review makes it seem like Jammers getting bored caused him to not pay attention:
“Mercer and Teleya end up escaping to the surface of a planet where now they are hunted by other bad guys — although no effort is made to explain what the relationship between the Union and this third party might be, if any.”

Teleya makes quite clear that the Chal’tal don’t let anyone live when they attack. Teleya and Mercer get on the escape pod and the attackers follow them down and try to find and kill them. It was pretty straight forward. Mercer just got caught up in all of it. No need to explain the Union’s relationship. It’s a Krill issue simply by virtue of the encounter with them beginning on the Krill ship. The union knowing them or not is irrelavent and trivial. It would be completely distracting from the flow of the action to take a detour into what Mercer thinks of them. I think it’s likely the Chak’tal have no relationship with the Union given that Teleya has to explain what species they are to Mercer so the story did answer Jammers criticism albeit pretty subtilely.

Those who what why how details about the Chak’tal can be fleshed out later in a future episode and it is a hook to keep you watching without revealing every detail immediately. I’m very surprised Jammer whiffed on this point.
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Ns8401
Thu, Jun 6, 2013, 9:20pm (UTC -6)
Re: Star Trek Into Darkness

Did anybody notice that Marcus got kicked in the stomach in the fight on the uber ship? I wonder if that was what the underwear shot meant to hint to us? Maybe without telling us directly the shot was hinting that she got pregnant by Kirk and that kick hurt or killed the baby? I know it sounds far fetched but it seems plausible and would be another Khan tie-in.
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