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Occuprice
Fri, May 29, 2020, 11:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S3: The Woman King

Front of the line as far as 2.5 star filler/breather/bottle shows go. I enjoyed the rewatch better than when it aired, and I appreciate the simple and clear focus on the main storyline—- it isn’t overbaked, it doesn’t do anything particularly wrong, and it is kind of refreshing to focus on Helo. No retroactive backstory. But, some things could use a bit of nuance, and the heightened prejudice against sagitarrons seemed a little excessive based on what we have seen so far.

Like Jammer, I do really like how Helo’s predicament is very much the result of choices he has made. Ultimately, nothing really wrong here—- it’s just not quite what I watch battlestar for, and easily forgettable in a pleasant way. It’s the only episode on this current rewath where I went into it completely forgetting what happens, other than “helo gets on a mission with civilians on galactica.”— and I have seen the episode at least twice previously,
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Jeffrey Jakucyk
Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:10pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Rascals

I'm fascinated by the disparate and contradictory opinions on the child actors' performances. They're all terrible, they're all great, Little Picard is the best, Little Picard is the worst, etc. Personally I think they all did pretty well, though I find Picard and Ro better than Keiko and Guinan.

Changes in speech inflections and whatnot can be excused by having smaller/younger vocal cords. I bet if you were really de-aged like this, you wouldn't sound like yourself now, or like yourself when you were really that age, because your brain is driving the vocal cords differently. It does sound like Little Guinan was dubbed/ADR'd, which is never a good thing.

I do love Little Picard running his hand through his hair and then at the end Real Picard disappointingly feeling his bald head. Boothby came down hard on him for that back in The First Duty.

I think the B plot with the Ferengi would've worked OK even if it was exactly the same plot, just not with the Ferengi. Maybe rogue Klingons (the whole mining part could be left out since that's not really their thing...ok except for Lursa and B'etor apparently), or some other species.
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Peter G.
Fri, May 29, 2020, 9:41pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Honor Among Thieves

@ Dan W,

"I honestly don't understand why they would ask the Chief of Operations of Deep Space 9, which is the most important station in the quadrant, to do an undercover assignment. You're telling me no one from the Orion Syndicate has been to DS9?"

Because O'Brien must be tortured? It's like a tradition, man.

"I am honestly surprised the Vorta didn't recognise O'Brien, you'd think the Dominion would have profiles on DS9's senior staff, no?"

Maybe the Vorta did recognize him and was enjoying watching O'Brien's seasonal flogging?
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The_Man
Fri, May 29, 2020, 9:39pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S4: Storm Front, Part I

Tucker acting like an insubordinate and unprofessional idiot. He's comes completely unhinged and shows up his commanding officers. How is he command again?
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The_Man
Fri, May 29, 2020, 8:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S3: Countdown

The writers stupidly undercut their own characters by having Daniel's say that Reed and Hoshi are not crucial to thro survival of mankind. So why get emotionally involved in unimportant characters?
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Dan W
Fri, May 29, 2020, 8:56pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Honor Among Thieves

I honestly don't understand why they would ask the Chief of Operations of Deep Space 9, which is the most important station in the quadrant, to do an undercover assignment. You're telling me no one from the Orion Syndicate has been to DS9?
I am honestly surprised the Vorta didn't recognise O'Brien, you'd think the Dominion would have profiles on DS9's senior staff, no?
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EventualZen
Fri, May 29, 2020, 7:41pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: A Private Little War

Forgive my puerile adolescent comment but that Nona is a babe, she's so seductive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCJ1Fs5YQtE

3/10 The Klingons are providing increasingly advanced weaponry to primitive tribes & Kirk is injured on the planet. The discussion of the Vietnam war and the importance of balance of power were good but this episode didn't have anything else to offer & didn't feel like sci-fi. The whole Spock being injured b-plot was pointless. You could argue this episode is pro 2nd amendment rights because Kirk says both sides should have equal weaponry, however I may be stretching the definition a bit too far there.
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The Slash Between
Fri, May 29, 2020, 6:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Chain of Command, Part I

It’s interesting all the defence of Jellico’s command style based on “that’s how it is in the military”.

That’s not a defence of his actions, just of the character’s existence.

From the moment he comes on-board, he spends exactly zero time building the relationships with the crew that would allow him to use them effectively. Those relationships don’t take much time, and the human element they provide makes a real difference when the SHTF. He’s a bad leader of people, and we should stop putting bad leaders in management positions.

He should have been behind a desk at Starfleet Tactical, drooling over the new issue of Phasers and Photons in between stacks of paperwork.
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RandomThoughts
Fri, May 29, 2020, 6:37pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: Carbon Creek

@Robin

Hello and congratulations on finally seeing them all. :D

Regards...RT
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RandomThoughts
Fri, May 29, 2020, 6:23pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: A Matter of Honor

@Weasel

Nice comments and welcome to the party. :)

Regards... RT
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Kat S
Fri, May 29, 2020, 5:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: We'll Always Have Paris

Found this episode entertaining definitely one of the better in Season 1.

My only objection is that Picard was not a "young man" 22 years ago (from episode time). According to canon biography, Picard was 59 years old when took command of Enterprise, which would have made him 37 or 38 in this past. Certainly old enough to know his mind, and he would have been Captain of the Stargazer during that period. Maybe not willing to commit to anything other than career - but to my mind, out of character for Captain Picard to stand up a lady. He might have walked out on her in the cafe but he would have shown up. Could have found better plot device to set up premise of "what if."

Actor Patrick Stewart was 12 years younger than character he played. Writers must have been thinking of his age- 25 or 26 - not Picard.
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Ruth
Fri, May 29, 2020, 5:12pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S3: Zero Hour

Jammer, this review is hilarious. And intentionally so, unlike the final scene of this episode. I thought the episode was more than a little silly, but exciting/entertaining and an okay conclusion to the Xindi arc. But then... alien nazis. I still can hardly believe I saw it. I read that they didn’t even have a plot idea when they filmed this - that it wasn’t even part of the script?!
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Kuebel
Fri, May 29, 2020, 5:03pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Nothing Left on Earth Excepting Fishes

In "Mirror, Mirror" the evil versions of the Enterprise crew were found out almost instantly, because while a normal person can play a barbarian, a barbarian can not play a normal person.

How can a Krill play a convincing lover for a human?

(And without knowing the name of the actress I was pretty sure at the end of S2E1 that she was a fake or a trap. Just because that was too easy for Mercer)

But the second half I had no problems with. To me it seems Teleya actually liked Mercer but couldn't admit it without betraying her culture.
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Top Hat
Fri, May 29, 2020, 2:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Nor the Battle to the Strong

It's later, in "By Inferno's Light," that Gowron reinstates the Khitomer Accords. "Apocalypse Rising" ends with a bit of milder detente, but the conflict is still on.
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Jaxon
Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Nor the Battle to the Strong

I thought Gowron reinstated the Khitomer Accords at the end of Apocolypse Rising.

Why is the Klingon still attacking the Federation...did I miss something?
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Focksbot
Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:29am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Silicon Avatar

Aha! Yet another episode that I found mediocre to middling, but which is enlivened by my coming to the comments section on this site and finding people reacting to it in a bizarre, angry way, full of wrongheaded certainty. eg. "Anyone who thinks it wasn't right to destroy the entity is being foolish."

The writers ticked off a basic criteria for good fiction by making it so the correct course of action is, at the very least, debatable. If you're angry because every character didn't conform to your view of the right course of action, then I suggest it's because you're narrowminded.

Picard's view is understandable. Riker's view is understandable. Dr. Marr's view is
understandable, if rather unprofessional. The tension between these views is part of what the episode explores, and it does it competently.

Picard's reasons for wanting to communicate with the entity map directly onto the reasons why wiser people in the real world urge dialogue, understanding, study. You need as much information as possible, in order to make the best choices and to widen your range of options.

What if the entity was one of a race, which themselves had the capacity of revenge? What if destroying it proved to be like smacking a wasp nest? What if it was only a child, and the adults were far more aggressive? What if, as Picard suspected, it simply did not recognise what it was eating as a kind of sentient life form, would be horrified to learn that, and could be sustained by other means?

What if it were artificial - a weapon created by a still more powerful enemy, hiding in the shadows?

It's telling that most of the posts on this page decrying Picard for being wrong pervert and misrepresent his position in order to try to make their point. He would certainly "shoot first" if the creature was in the middle of destroying another planet or presented a mortal threat to the Enterprise. He is only considering the communication option because they will be encountering it in the middle of space, and have the opportunity to find out more about its nature.

Equally, though, Riker's objection is reasonable - they don't know if failing to take the initiative at this point will result in the Entity working out a means of avoiding them in future. That's certainly a risk. But destroying the entity carries risks with it as well, as pointed out above.

It never ceases to amaze me how people credit themselves with being pragmatists and realists for wanting to take revenge or perform preemptive destruction, when they're usually just acting on primitive instincts. Yes, there are dangers inherent in attempting negotiation, or in an excess of hesitance around a dire threat, but if human beings weren't prepared to face those dangers in order to gain a greater degree of understanding of the destructive forces arrayed against us, then we'd all still be living in caves, cowering from the lightning.
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Peter G.
Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:15am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: Return to Tomorrow

"It's worth mentioning since others commented on the disappointing ending that there was a controversy with this episode's writer John Dugan, a Catholic. He wanted Sargon and Thalassa to live on in the end as spirits without bodies, which is how he ended it in the original script. Roddenbery changed it so the two would simply fade into oblivion."

What a petty argument? Are both of them under the assumption that Kirk is a wizard and can "just tell" when a person dies whether their spirit 'goes on' or fades into nothing? I don't even know what it means to argue about this point. Catholics already believe that we have an afterlife *and* that you see nothing special when someone dies. Haha, what a dumb thing to fight about. And actually, the idea of disembodied human spirits floating around isn't even a Christian concept afaik. Or if it is one it's one of those quasi-pagan superstitious beliefs they had been in the 1500's when the old religions were still bound up with the new in many places.
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Chrome
Fri, May 29, 2020, 9:16am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: Return to Tomorrow

After watching many of the allegory-intense TOS episodes recently, this episode was a breath of fresh air. Most engagingly, the setup is an early take on the now classic Sci-Fi concept of ancient species that were once like humans but somehow became so advanced they destroyed themselves.

I like how Kirk mentioned that humanity may be already superior in one way to Sargon in that it already overcame a similar self-inflicted disaster (presumably he means WWIII and the post-atomic horror but even the Cold War would be a sufficient example). Sargon dismisses Kirk's point and says that his people already evolved past an atomic incident, but one wonders if Sargon's people ever united in peace the way humanity did. The being that possesses Spock is from the "other faction", which implies there was still dissent and unrest among Sargon's people. This other faction ends up being Sargon's Achilles' heel by stopping his plan and showing that a part of his people never got past the original conflict.

This chink in the armor also adds another dimension to Kirk's "Risk is our business" speech. Indeed, humanity is willing to take such risks for curiosity's sake but it appears that in this particular case humanity is better off without the reward of overwhelming power.

It's worth mentioning since others commented on the disappointing ending that there was a controversy with this episode's writer John Dugan, a Catholic. He wanted Sargon and Thalassa to live on in the end as spirits without bodies, which is how he ended it in the original script. Roddenbery changed it so the two would simply fade into oblivion. Dugan was pretty upset by this change as he believed there should be an afterlife for even these beings and ended up using a pseudonym in the credits because of the change. I'm not sure the change materially affects the story, but it's funny Roddenbery went to such lengths.

Anyway, this episode speaks to many of Trek's strong points and I think Jammer underrated it quite a bit (to be fair, he was right about Shatner overacting). I give it a high 3 stars.

Random Historical Fact Check: Kirk rhetorically asks "What if the first Apollo mission failed?" Apollo I was the victim of a tragic fire that forced the mission to abort. Naturally though, NASA made more attempts after that.
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Maq
Fri, May 29, 2020, 7:11am (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S3: Doctor's Orders

If I saw it in advance the first time I watch is a secret but the second time it was obvious. Now at 3rd or 4th rewatch, it sometimes felt a little long but that is easily forgiven.

In my opinion the the 2 Reasons why Phlox mind picks T'Pol as a companion is that, firstly she is the only person on board with sufficient experience as well philosophical intellectual and ethical capacity to join him. Secondly in many ways she is his counterpart. They complete each other in a way no other persons do.

I am seldom nitty gritty regarding the context but in the Fallen Hero episode V'Lar says that she and T'Pol was the oldest on board. I always considered Phlox as quite old having collected several degrees a in various sciences in combination with the maximum age of 350. Definitely he is the most mature person on board.
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Focksbot
Fri, May 29, 2020, 6:10am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Ensign Ro

Given what has been posted already on this page, I think this is a fair enough place to add my general feelings on the TNG vs. DS9 debate. I've rewatched all of DS9 recently and have just come up to this episode in a TNG rewatch. In general, I think the tussling between fans of the two shows is completely unnecessary - they're really very similar, with very similar flaws.

For me, the serialised stories and more conflict-heavy premise of DS9 edges it out, but this is almost for purely technical reasons: serials give writers more freedom in the kinds of stories they tell, and a backdrop of continuous conflict/unease raises the tension level throughout. This gives DS9 richer flavours and more options - a light-hearted episode can be played out against the background buzz of an oncoming storm and set up plot points for a more serious follow-up.

But that aside, the two series both have some exceptional stories and actors, and a lot of goofy plots and bad acting to balance it out. The idea that DS9 mocked TNG or went against the values of Star Trek up to that point is hugely overplayed (eg. by @Eliot, although I think his views have softened since 2012)? The premise of the universe permits multiple conflicting, reasonable accounts of humanity, and different characters and episodes took on different philosophies. Both series are guilty of drastically simplifying one view or another in order to make a point.

On the subject of Ensign Ro - the character is stiffly written in this episode in a way that is merely mediocre. But the same can be said for the majority of the guest characters in this series the majority of the time. Someone above observed, quite correctly, that fans seem to fly off the handle at female characters that don't act the way they expect 'women' to, and that certainly seems to be the case here. Ro isn't particularly unrealistic by the standard of characters generally in this series - she's just not one of the best.

I suppose a general problem with TNG is that while DS9's Kira and Dax had some good episodes, Crusher, Troi and Pulaski never really rise above being serviceable foils for the plot. In that context, Ro does feel like a bandaid - an attempt to quick-fix a problem that needn't exist.
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EventualZen
Thu, May 28, 2020, 8:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: Return to Tomorrow

Only a 5/10 for the disappointing ending.
@4:00 Uhura says Kirk's subspace message will take over 3 weeks to reach Starfleet, I'm sure that violates continuity some how with the Enterprise D travelling further but never mentioning comm-range.

@10:05 The energy being Sargon said his species once seeded the galaxy 6000 centuries ago & his ancestors could have been Adam & Eve. This explains why there are so many humanoid species in the galaxy better than the TNG episode The Chase.

Every time Diana Muldaur (Ann) spoke I couldn't help imagining her as Dr. Pulaski, she actually looks beautiful here, she really changed in the 20 years between this & TNG season 2.
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Ben
Thu, May 28, 2020, 7:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: The Conscience of the King

Interesting episode. Disliked as a child like it more now. This episode feels like no other. There seems to some sets and music that were only used in this episode so it would seem. I am tired ! And your shining brightness has stuck in my head since the 1970!’s
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Nolan
Thu, May 28, 2020, 6:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

I mean, as long as we're talking "influences" and shared themes/plots and Creator/actor intent, to me it seems clear that Stewart wanted a close out for Picard just as he got one for Professor Xavier in "Logan." I mean, look at how similar THOSE are. Character-name title, a darker, dystopian-esque future for the characters. A not quite, but for all intents and purposes daughter of a close friend who needs saving. An attempt at an emotional send off for the character. A troubling mental/brain condition hanging over the character. The general absence of other, remembered characters. And a darker, grittier, R-rated tone.

Worked for X-Men because the elements/culture of that franchise had already been scattered and were less than concrete. By the time Logan hit, nobody really cared about the X-Men overarching world and the film got to exist in a weird sort of vacuum. Plus, It was actually a pretty darn good film. Good writing, good exploration of character, moving performances.

Stewart wanted that again for Picard, probably so he could send the character off in a similarily moving way, but I think things got muddled along the way, then S2 was ordered and now we have Robo-Picard. (Though the episode "The Schizoid Man" from TNG S2 establishes this possibility, it still falls flat to me here) in the end it just didn't really work.

It's a shame, I can relate this show to so many other sci-fi works, (granted as a sub-par example), yet the one thing I can't tie it to is what it purports to be.

And now there's a new show coming out and it promises to be more of what fans want. (Again) The fact they're touting its episodic nature makes me want to support it to show that that is a viable formula, but I've been burned three times already and can't help but see the parade of shows CBS is greenlighting is them throwing darts at a wall to see which one is going to be their pop culture touchstone that will live on, while each dart that does miss that mark still gets them a nice payout, all the while the sunk costs fallacy chugs along in the background for both them AND fans.

And I know, that is a darn cynical view, and I'm sorry to those that like it, but I just. Don't. See it. I've seen people talk about being moved by the show, who liked Raffi's character as a relatable figure of familial experiences and so forth, but I don't see any of it. *shrug*
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Eamon
Thu, May 28, 2020, 5:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@jpaul

That case against Disco was dismissed in court, but it seemed more like the judge didnt really understand how one medium (TV) could possibly plagiarize another (video games). The judge’s own ruling seemed to contradict itself.

“They’re only similar insofar as they both feature adventures in space and a Tardidgrade.”

Umm yes..sooo....discovery season 1?............... maybe he didnt want DISCO season 1 past the Pilot episode either. He’d be forgiven for thinking that season would be about Klingons and not space mushroom tardigrades.

Seems like these writers and producers not only have contempt for the source material, so does Patrick Stewart (as omicron pointed out), they also think we’re oblivious too. Sad times to be a Trek fan.

Full disclosure, I’ve never paid to go to a Trek convention. I went to one once as a guest and all I could sense was a thousand people in love with the Trek world and all the people involved with it (actors, writers, producers, suits) so seemingly contemptuous of the audience. It made me realize early on that we fans have always cared a lot more about this stuff than they did, which makes sense. To them its a job. To us, we take it as part of our identity. Maybe we shouldn’t. It just TV
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Dirk
Thu, May 28, 2020, 5:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Natural Law

"Why didn't our sensors detect it?" I think that's a good question, especially considering how often that line gets used. I think my Samsung smartphone could probably detect a massive energy barrier. Maybe they should have written a story about sensors.

I'm leaving this snore-fest half way in - and I love Chakotay and Seven. As for Paris, I was hoping that the penalty for reckless piloting was execution.
Life is too short for predictable plots. I like SF because it's unpredictable and gives a sense of wonder.
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