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Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 10:29am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Favor the Bold

"Favors the Bold" is a tour-de-force. One of DS9's greats. Indeed, one of Star Trek's greats. If I may be so, um, bold, let me say, one of scifi's greats. @ $G, I'd put this one up there with Babylon 5's third season episode "Point of No Return" as one of the most critical episodes of a great scifi saga.

I see what you're saying, @Luke, this is really where Damar comes alive. And maybe, just maybe, Damar leaking the plans to Quark was not quite the accident we have been led to believe. If you're crazy, @Luke, I'm right there with ya bro!

@ AeC, Drusilla does some serious whimpering in Season 2 of Angel ("Redefinition") after Angel burns her and Drusilla ( ). You're right, there is so much more to Drusilla's pain than anything Leeta is able to muster, not withstanding Leeta's tig ol bitties @Sintek :-)

Speaking of Angel, @ D K, Lilah Morgan gets a pretty satisfying beatdown ( ) in season 3, "Billy".

@DLPB, Damar is only 3 inches taller than Kira. It is more of a fair fight than one would imagine. I like Damar a lot, but let's be honest, he was never really a hand-to-hand kind of a guy. His command presence came from his charisma, and frankly his very awesome voice. He's more like Picard that way. At least before Picard became all action hero-y in the movies.

My favorite line from "Favors the Bold" has somehow been overlooked in this thread. So here it is, from Quark:

ROM: The fate of the entire Alpha Quadrant rests in your hands. Billions and billions of people are counting on you.

QUARK: Boy, are they going to be disappointed.

ROTFLMFAO! Quark is awesome.

@ Fortyseven, if you enjoy a good binge of DS9 or nBSG, then please do check out Babylon 5. I'm not sure why @Jammer never got around to it. And now that we're all older, with so much more on our plates, I fear he never will. But hope burns eternal.

Faith Manages.
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Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 9:47am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Alter Ego

A solid, enjoyable * * * episode.

I'm not sure how I've missed this episode all these years? But like @Sarjenka's Brother, I have absolutely no memory of every watching it.

Which made watching "Alter Ego" this evening - for the very first time, a real treat!

Like @Lt. Yarko, this is easily the most I have ever laughed with a Voyager episode. On the level of sheer fun, I'd put this one up there with "Future's End Part I".

One new thing that re-watching Voyager after all these years has given me, is an appreciation for just how well the show sets up the Paris/B'Elanna coupling over the years. There are small flirtations a few times here and there. Then, I think it was at the start of Season 3, with "The Swarm" when we get some real honest-to-goodness (and fun) flirting. So to see the Lower Decks vulcan (Vorik) cock-block Paris at the luau was absolutely hilarious.

Watching this episode for the first time now - after movies like Joaquin Phoenix's Her ( have been made, also makes Harry's reaction to crushing on a holodeck character more understandable. Harry had studied the TNG Moriarity situation at the Academy. Maybe, @William B, Harry also knew about the Minuet gambit the Binars pulled on Riker? Maybe Harry's reaction to falling for a holographic woman was actually prudent?

Finally, let me echo what @Jordi Bosveld said at the top. When both Tuvok and Harry say "no" to that lovely hololady who wants to join them at the end of the show, I for one burst out laughing :-)
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Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:17am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@ Booming, countries like China and Kazakistan and Iran do not typically live broadcast manned launches from their facilities (Russia doesn't launch from Russia).

But when Nasa is involved, you might at least get the launch.

It is a rare treat to get the entire mission broadcast live, as we are getting right now for Dragon.

Part of that is that TV stations aren't about to give 23 hours of continuous broadcast of NASA TV, which is how long it takes to get to the ISS. And part of that is that online broadcasting has dramatically improved in the last decade.

We live in awesome times!
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Sun, May 31, 2020, 7:46am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2


TOS taught us that Russian accomplishments are human accomplishments. There is no reason to minimize launches just because they are taking off from Russia.

ST First Contact taught us that our greatest breakthroughs will be thanks to individuals driven by profit like Zephram Cochrane, not any sort of world government. There is no reason to minimize human accomplishments just because of the character of the folks making the breakthrough.

Dragon is less than 1 mile from the ISS!!! It looks so beautiful over the Chinese night sky right now:
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Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:13am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

And the timing of Neflix dropping Space Force is basically perfect.

We are just 150 minutes away from the earliest docking time to the ISS!!!

Watch NASA live:
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Sun, May 31, 2020, 1:55am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Space Force is just what the doctor ordered after The Good Place ended and while we wait for new Orville episodes.

At least someone out there is making uplifting wholesome scifi again!

Plus it is always great to see Lisa Kudrow (Phoebe from Friends) back on screen again! Yeah!
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Sat, May 30, 2020, 10:50am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Speaking of great new scifi, hope everyone is watching Space Force.

It's like the most enjoyable prequel for Star Trek/Orville we could hope for!

And Steve Carrell is fantastic. The Office in space uniform :-)
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Tue, May 26, 2020, 5:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Jetrel

Great post above from Skeptical (years ago now). I could easily come up with better arguments from Jetrel than the scriptwriters - the analogy with Hiroshima is interesting but fails because anyone actually involved in Hiroshima would have pointed out that nuking it saved millions of lives (compared to a land invasion of Japan). Instead from Jetrel we get absurd straw men arguments about how you should always pursue scientific progress even if it means mass destruction.

I think Star Trek's ability to consider complex moral arguments is probably overrated, honestly. With the exception of Deep Space Nine, these kind of straw men on one side of the argument were the norm for the show. Similarly you sometimes get liberals not understanding why conservatives like Star Trek. Can't conservatives see themselves in the straw man villains who keep losing the argument? Um, no, that's not what we believe so it's really not very troubling to see those points defeated.
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Wed, May 20, 2020, 12:51am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Parallax

@Cody B, I think @Booming has already said something to that effect when he wrote above,

"I like your Christ but I don't like your Christians because they are so unlike Christ"

Which to be fair, is probably true of all dogmatists, including (especially?) atheists.

Glad to see everyone is coming together in civil discourse. This truly is the unique magic of @Jammer's website.

That's probably why we keep coming back. Year after year. Decade after decade. This is the right place for us.

Faith manages.
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Tue, May 19, 2020, 6:00am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Sen-Sors, the Red Letter Media review is so disturbing.

It is basically an obituary. Star Trek is dead.

nuTrek is a zombie.
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Mon, May 18, 2020, 12:53am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Rejoined

Hot lesbian kiss episode - ratings gold!

I'll be in my bunk ;-)
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Sat, May 16, 2020, 11:41am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Parturition

Hey @Mal - yeah me, from 11 years ago - guess you're about to get your dream come true.

An animated Star Trek for the kiddos. An adolescent Trek full of cursing and moronic plots - Discovery - for whatever demographic enjoys that stuff. Picard for the senile geezers.

And maybe, just maybe, if we are very lucky, they can keep Strange New Worlds for us grups.

(hat tip @Booming)
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Sat, May 16, 2020, 8:03am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Twisted

@Jeff O’Connor, I agree completely. As @Milica alludes to, the climax is almost the opposite of how we’ve seen various Star Treks approach a Kobayashi Maru like no-win scenario.

Kirk famously did not believe in a no-win situation. That, in part made his death in Generations so unsatisfying (there were other reasons also, obviously. Why didn’t they give him a proper send-off with full honors as his service and rank demanded?). But in his final moments, recall that Kirk reverted to form. His last words were “it was fun,” and he died with a twinkle in his eye. And man, through three years of TOS, and seven (!!) movies, over 30 years, it was a hell of a ride!

How we approach death says a lot about what kind of person we are.

When you ask, @Elliott, what separates those of us who would give this episode 1 star (like @Jammer), and those of us who would give it 2 stars (on @Jammer’s four star scale), it all comes down to how we view the climax. @Rob in Michigan picked this up right from the first comment on this episode.

I’ll admit, I sometimes just skim @Elliott’s extended reviews of episodes. But this time I read it. Twice. And I agree with it all! Except that, while you describe Act 5 perfectly, you give it 1/2 a star, and I’d give it 3 stars. And that weighted average brings my reckoning of “Twisted” to 2 stars over all, while you give it none.

But let’s take a step back to Harry and Janeway in the Jefferies tube.

How many times before “Twisted” have we seen Janeway and Harry work one-on-one alone together on a problem? Has it been even once? It is a very rare paring.

Recall, that at this point, Harry is just 27.

I don’t know how many of you have 27 year olds working for you. But at that age it is a pretty big deal to work one-on-one with the big boss. I know I don’t get very much time any more with the kids in their mid-twenties like that. We’re usually all too busy at work, and when you’re in charge, it is far more likely that you will be working with someone more senior. Janeway and Tuvok working alone together happens enough. Or Janeway and Chakotay working alone together. But Janeway and Kim??

Those rare times when you are working along with the youngster on your team, those are the best times to tell these youngsters that you value them. Not during an annual review. Or during some meeting in your office. But when you are actually out there working a problem together.

That is also part of leadership.

So I thought it was a good beat.

And it set things up nicely for Act 5. Where we get to see the crew face their own Kobayashi Maru.

Next, some folks wonder about Tuvok “acting out” in a way that might not be very vulcan. But as @HolographicAndrew says, it is very interesting when you think about it.

At the end, in the holodeck, when Chakotay has to pick between Bellana’s plan and Tuvok’s plan, this is the first time Tuvok must realize he has no control. Look around him. His Captain is incapacitated. Bellana has a plan - but she failed out of the Academy, and joined the Maqui, and they can be hotheads. The other officers there are Paris - who, less than a year ago was in jail; there is a holographic EMH; and a 2 year old Ocampa. The only half-way credentialed person is a very young Ensign Kim not even a year out of the Academy.

And now this “Commander” who resigned his commission to join a terrorist organization is going to make a decision for the entire crew. Remember, Tuvok is very familiar with Chakotay’s command style - he served under Chakotay when he was undercover infiltrating the Maqui. So this is the first time Tuvok openly questions whether this particular motley crew is going to do the right thing. And he’s right! Chakotay picks the wrong “solution”.

Which brings us to the emotional climax of the hour.

Faced with death, resigned to follow Tuvok’s sage advice, each crew member reverts to form.

Chakotay prays. Bellana joins him.

Paris puts his hand on Harry’s shoulder (yes, @Elliott, it is out of love).

Tuvok places a hand next to his Captain.

And they each face what they think is the end. With calm stoicism.

If only we could all face inevitability with such equanimity.
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Fri, May 15, 2020, 10:16am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Non Sequitur

@Elliott, that's hilarious! Really LoL!

I guess it's been about 11 years since I last commented on this episode. But what can I say, I still think it is a solid 2 1/2 stars.

Tons of plot holes? Sure.
Unwed fornication? Sure ;-)
(I kid @ Sean Hagins because I love, promise).

But the atmosphere of San Francisco feels right. And the bar in Marseille was a treat to see IRL (as against to the holodeck).

Did Harry Kim do everything wrong? Sure. But he was just 26 at the time. Weren't we all just as stupid back then?
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Wed, May 13, 2020, 11:03pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Far Beyond the Stars

^the post above is not me. Someone seems to be impersonating me. But as anyone who has read the last 12 years of my comments on @Jammer's site can easily see, nothing in that post is anything like me.

Since I have always used the same email address to post on this site, this is easily verifiable.

- Mal.
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Wed, May 13, 2020, 1:53am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Ashes to Ashes

OMG, I just finished reading this entire thread, after re-watching this episode for the first time after its initial run. And I can't believe neither Jammer nor anyone else here has pondered among the comments what has sparked discussions elsewhere:

The Kobali look to be of the same species that the Borg Queen originates from (Species 125)!!

Even if somehow it was merely some look-alike species (the way many aliens look human in the Star Trek universe) surely Seven and the Captain should have immediately made not of this—perhaps also the Borg kids there (though who knows if the Queens visual image is known/shared with all drones, especially not-yet-mature ones, or not.) I mean... an alien shows up looking like the leader or epicenter of Borgdom, and it's not worth even a comment from anyone?

If true, it's fascinating to contemplate the layers in all this. How did someone (a Kabali) even get to be a Borg Queen? Is it because a select former-individual is found upon assimilation to have a superior brain? Or were the Kobal a very old space-faring civilization, and perhaps it was their skill at reanimating/re-engineering corpses into a distinct new entity that radically impacted the "perfection" of the Borg by adding this as their "distinctiveness" to the Borg Collective.

Maybe, prior to assimilating Species 125, the Borg as entities were more biological OR more tech. Perhaps assimilation as a process killed many many captives, but the Kabali "re-animation" process changed all that. Perhaps the Borg aren't so much continually living beings, enslaved by tech. What if, instead, they do die (physiologically) at the moment of assimilation, then the re-animation happens to transform new assimilates into what we know as Borg, reborn.

Why would they bother to make elaborate alien makeup and prosthetics so that this character looked like a Borg Queen, for nothing? It seems as if, in fact, they did. Which is not just bizarre, but such a waste!
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Tue, May 12, 2020, 9:23pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@ Cody B, of course it is racist to refer to a person by the color of their skin. It is by definition reductive, and thus demeaning.

But at least, in a few hundred years, we can look forward to the range of skin colors being expanded. And the range of slurs will also be expanded ;)

SHRAN: Captain Archer. Look at the trouble you've gotten your pink skin into this time.

Worry not, @Cody B, it could always be worse. Imagine you were green!

It's not that easy being green;
Having to spend each day the color of the leaves.
When I think it could be nicer being red, or yellow or gold-
or something much more colorful like that.

But with Star Trek, there is always hope!

By the time we get to the 23rd century, officers like Uhura are able to let such moronic words just roll off their backs, even when those words come from someone like honest Abe.

Sadly, you and I are not likely to see such a day.

One would only hope that folks on @Jammer's site could refrain from such ugly behaviour. But these nuTreks seem to attract the worst sorts.
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Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:33am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Virtuoso

Ah... nice to come to the end of a decade+ long comment thread and find that the very last one above (by William) addresses the thought I was left with after watching this—as did another, prior. I'll address each below:

The Doctor deftly pointed out to Janeway that, where "duty" factors into things, everyone else on Voyager was there because they willingly committed to it and to Star Fleet (including those who started as Maquis until they were all stranded. Ceska exercised free-choice in changing loyalties. She became persona non-grata, but it's not like at some point she was going to be captured and "forced to be a Star Fleet officer" again.

If Doc were NOT a sentient being, then of course, he isn't implied to have or endowed with any "agency," and therefore stays aboard as The Doctor. But by this point in the series, my understanding has been that Janeway and crew accept him as a sentient being—not created or intended to be thus, but having evolved due to their distinct circumstances and the people and situations with which he's engaged over time.

Thus, he should no longer to be viewed as "property" of Star Fleet." He is not a "slave." Considering his sentience, it's rather... generous?... for The Doctor to have even been willing to continue on as doctor, once he had evolved into developing so many other talents and interests.

I'm trying to recall all the Star Fleet legal stuff that went on regarding Data, given that there had been controversy around him and those in the Federation opposed to recognizing his sentience and right to exercise agency. It would be interesting to learn if the levels of such things were indeed comparable between The Doc and Data.

Now, to the aspects of Doc (having originated "merely" as a program + projection):

The idea of Janeway and others not wanting Doc to leave Voyager for reasons of crew morale, their friendship for him, and his place in their bonded "family" there... those all make sense.

But the idea that, if Doc leaves to join the Qomar, Voyager would be left without a Chief Medical Officer makes no sense. They have the original schematics or whatever for Doc's *original* programming. Yes, they would lose their beloved friend and colleague, but they could just boot up a new EMH to serve the crew's medical needs. This one might or might not become sentient of course, because its circumstances would not be the same (such as how The Doc had needed to remain "on" almost constantly when they first arrived in the Delta Quadrant.) Or who knows, perhaps B'elanna could enhance this or that subroutine. They could have a full replica of Doc from a backup even. Or, change the face of a new EMS for an entirely new actor to join the show.
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Tue, May 12, 2020, 6:07am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@ Trent, any friend who starts you off with Blink, is a good friend indeed :-)

Blink is probably one of the best of nuWho. The girl in the episode is played by Carey Mulligan, who went on to have a pretty amazing acting career. Those were the days when Who could spot top talent. Sort of like how Trek, back in TOS movie and TNG days, had Kirstie Alley, Ashley Judd and Famke Janssen.

Stephen Moffat probably made his reputation with nuWho viewers back when Girl in the Fireplace aired in the second series. If you haven’t seen it, check it out. The Doctor’s real-life wife, Sophia Jane Myles, plays Madame de Pompadour to perfection. The second series brought on David Tennant, who provided a wonderful new energy to the role.

You’ll see Moffat's name pop up quite a bit on the Hugo Awards list. His wins were mostly back when nuWho was competing with the greats like Buffy, nBSG, Firefly, and even early seasons of Game of Thrones.

These days "The Expanse" and "The Good Place" - both incredible shows - win the Hugo. nuWho and nuTrek just aren’t up to that level of competition any more.
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Tue, May 12, 2020, 12:17am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Parallax

@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi, you're absolutely right. Roddenberry seems to have taken IDIC pretty seriously, and made sure questions of personal faith were left out of the show.

Star Trek is, after all, basically a work-place drama. And not just any work place, a uniformed one at that.

I've always taken Picard's words from "Reunion" to be the best reflection of how Star Trek deals with religion:

PICARD: Mister Worf, the Enterprise crew currently includes representatives from thirteen planets. They each have their individual beliefs and values and I respect them all. But they have all chosen to serve Starfleet. If anyone cannot perform his or her duty because of the demands of their society, they should resign.

People confuse Starfleet with humanity.

We see very little of human civilian life in the hundreds of hours of Star Trek television and movies. It is no accident that the professionals par excellence we do follow on an episode by episode basis, leave their religions at home. Chakotay tells Janeway that no one has seen his medicine bundle.

Nevertheless, even Starfleet officers have to explain humanity's beliefs on occassion:

KIRK: Mankind has no need for gods. We find the one quite adequate.

Actually lots of people think Kirk gets it wrong in "Who Mourns For Adonais?" But that's the whole point of Starfleet's rule keeping religion off the bridge. Even someone as impressive as Kirk is still probably unqualified to speak to something like God on behalf of all mankind.

Harry Kim probably would have had a much better answer than Kirk.

KIM: I really can't say. I don't know what happens to your people after they die. I don't even know what happens to my people after they die.
HATIL: Don't you have thanatologists, people who study death?
KIM: Well, sort of. There have certainly been medical experts, philosophers, theologians who have spent a great deal of time debating what happens after death. But no one's come up with an answer yet.

No one has come up with an answer yet. Even in the 24th Century. But they still have theologians debating the question.

Some things, like Christianity, god, death, marriage really are best reserved for civilian life. Starfleet isn't the right institution to address them.

But just because a thing isn't on the bridge of the Enterprise, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. For Christianity in the Star Trek future, evidence is ample. If you care to see it.

But if you are personally invested in there being no human religion in Star Trek as @Booming seems to be, it will be very hard to convince you.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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Sun, May 10, 2020, 4:41pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Parallax

@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi, agreed, it would be fascinating to see how Christianity had evolved in the 24th century.

Just imagine that when Kasidy and Ben Sisko got married, they followed the Kasidy family preference for a minister, instead of Sisko's preference for letting Admiral Ross perform the ceremony -

SISKO: What do you say we have Bill Ross to perform the ceremony?
KASIDY: My mother would prefer for her daughter to be married by a minister. But an Admiral's the next best thing.
SISKO: That's good. I'll talk to him.

- DS9, Penumbra.

What would a ceremony performed by a 24th century minister be like? Fascinating.

Given how much Christianity has changed in the last three and a half centuries, wouldn't it be interesting to see what happens in the next three and a half centuries? To put that length of time in perspective, consider: Harvard was founded around three and a half centuries ago as a place to train Christian ministers. Today only about a third of Harvard is Christian. What will it be like in the 24th century? Maybe someday these Star Trek folks could stroll through Harvard square and give us a gander?

What will elite christian centers of education outside the United States look like in the 24th century? It is only in an alternate timeline (All Good Things...) that we see Data has Isaac Newton's old job. Newton of course was at the holy Trinity College at Cambridge - which of course is also where Stephen Hawking studied.

It would be great if every once in a while, Star Trek could actually take us to these places and show us these vistas.

But like the bathroom (so prominent in other scifi like nBSG, B5, and Demolition Man ;) it appears that religion also has a tough time making it on screen in Star Trek.

Still, unless you are like @ Booming, and consider everything made "years after Roddenberry's death" to somehow be suspect, its pretty clear from the Kasidy family desire to be married by a minister, Picard's Christmas fantasia, Joseph Sisko's bible quote, and Phlox attending Mass in Rome and chanting at a Tibetan Monastery - that Klingons, Vulcans and Bajorans do not have the monopoly on religion in the Star Trek future.

And now I leave you with Miles and Keiko O’Brien’s beautiful Shinto wedding ceremony:

No religion in Star Trek indeed.
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Sun, May 10, 2020, 7:02am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Parallax

@ Booming, your unique perspective may be colouring your view of Star Trek. But whatever the reason, you are of course incorrect. Star Trek does have Christians.

Just take Picard. His ideal fantasy in the Nexus was to spend Christmas with his family.

Why would that be, unless the Picards were Christians? Now, I imagine you can come up with all kinds of possible scenarios where the Picards are not Christian. But sometimes, @Booming, just go with Occam's Razor. Picard's ideal fantasy has something to do with the home in which he was raised.

And of course, there is also Dr. Phlox from an older Enterprise. He attended not just a Christian Mass on Earth. But also other religious rituals as well.

Here is the relevant scene from 1x11 Cold Front:

PHLOX: It's not unlike the Hindu faith, Commander. They also believe that the universe goes through repeated cycles of rebirth.
ARCHER: I didn't realise you were familiar with Earth religions, Doctor.
PHLOX: Oh, yes. In fact, while I was there I made it a point to study a number of them. I spent two weeks at a Tibetan monastery where I learned to sing chords with the high lamas. I attended Mass at Saint Peter's Square.

Now I get that you, @Booming, are a US-based non-Christian. But I think it is fair to say that most Christians do not live in the US. There is every reason to believe that that continues to be true in the Star Trek future.

That's why it would be interesting to see Earth from vistas other than just the US.

What exactly does a Christian Mass in Rome in the 22nd century look and sound like? Have they kept all the trappings of the Catholic ritual? Is it in Latin? It would be fun to see - that's probably why Dr. Phlox went - he was curious! So am I!

Most of the time on Star Trek, we get to know a race through a thin sliver of a society.

This is how @Jammer has described the problem: "An entire planet's culture (and this has frequently been one of my complaints about Trek) is represented based solely on a dozen villagers who seem more like isolated nomads than part of a real, larger society."

Similar thing for Earth. Other than that one episode on TNG (Family) when they showed us life in a village in future-France, whenever we go to Earth in the future in Star Trek, it is almost always to the US, and that too, a very secular slice of the US. Usually San Francisco, or a few other places in that country.

But it would be nice to see what the other billions of humans are up to on Earth. Those people who aren't in any way affiliated with Starfleet. Those who continue to live their lives much as their fathers did - like Picard's brother. IDIC.
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Sun, May 10, 2020, 12:11am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Prey


Lol, OK. My comment on pronouns was not about any human political correctness. It was noting that voyager crew refers to a superior being or life-form as "it"—which is typically what we use to refer to creatures that are way lower down on the evolutionary ladder than we fancy ourselves to be as humans. Species 8472 aren't "things", not insects or rats or a fungus. They're potentially like "gods" compared to us—at least what we (through voyager crew's eyes) know of them at this point in the series. They don't need to be "humanoid"—indeed, humanoid beings are inferior to Species 8472. (I'm not clear about the Hirogen tho. Sure, they can hunt a lonely stranded individual, but i didn't get a sense from this how a Hirogen fleet would fare if they went to fluidic space to fight armies of 8472s.

They are superior beings, not pets, not bacteria, not rocks. So using a term that we use for "inferior" things isn't in line with how we would expect this "enlightened" crew to talk.
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Sat, May 9, 2020, 10:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Equinox, Part II

One more note about the Doc and Ethical Subroutines:

If he had those removed, he would still love (or deeply like at least) Seven. If his ethics were erased, he would still feel the same toward Seven, and so it would have been far more realistic if that resulted in his going on a rampage to kill Ransom and the others, for harming Seven.

As far as him shutting the EMS program off, tho other commenters thought (given how easy that was) then anyone else could have done it, it makes sense to me that Doc (and only Doc) could do this, because the main computer would likely read Voyager Doc's voice print in the same way as its own Doc. Presumably the EMH programs have the ability to shut themselves down. And since voyager doc's eventual "sentience" seems to have come as a surprise, the computer would not have reason to suspect that a free-thinking, distinct individual—rather than its own ship's Doc—was making that request.

I also think it's likely that the Equinox Doc was not at all the unique sentient entity that Voyager Doc evolved into (which has had much to do with his unique experiences and interaction with the personalities on Voyager and those they've met from other places. Thus, Eq. Doc was acting merely as a non-sentient EMH program being directed by Ransom and the others—NOT out of "loyalty", as the above commenters assumed.
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Sat, May 9, 2020, 10:50am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Parallax

@ Skeptical and @ Chrome and @ Robert,

It is fascinating to think of Joseph Sisko as a Christian. Your points as to the names of everyone in his family being from the bible is a good one. But what really enhanced the possibility for me, was this scene in one of my favourite DS9 episodes, Far Beyond the Stars,

JOSEPH: I've got to get back to the restaurant. My customers have never gone this long without me. The question is, what are you going to do?
SISKO: The only thing I can do. Stay here and finish the job I started. And if I fail -
JOSEPH: I have fought the good fight. I have finished the course. I have kept the faith.
SISKO: I've never known you to quote from the Bible.
JOSEPH: I'm full of surprises, aren't I? And so are you.

A surprising turn to be sure! Ben Sisko’s dad quotes from Timothy ( ), the New Testament. Now how many non-Christians even today can quote from the New Testament - how many fewer by the time we get to Gene’s vision of the 24th century? But more than that, Ben Sisko is also “full of surprises”. Ben recognises the quote from the Bible! Tell me, even today, how many non-Christians would recognise that quote as coming from the Bible?

Ben has obviously been brought up to know and value his heritage. He owns one of the largest collections of African masks. He knows the history of Gabriel Bell. He even knows about the darkest pages, which is why he is so reluctant to join the gang to save Vick Fontaine, in "Badda-Bing Badda-Bang”. At least a few key parts of the Bible were part of his upbringing. If Joseph was really a Christian, it makes a lot of sense that he would have made sure his son at least knew his Bible.

And for those who somehow think that is against Gene’s vision, remember, Gene allowed Leonard Nimoy to portray the Vulcan greeting by using a Jewish hand gesture. Doctor McCoy cited the Genesis story from the Old Testament, in Wrath of Khan. Star Trek is not a universe that does not have the Bible. But, it seems, there are not very many Christians who join Starfleet. 24th century Christians are probably more like Picard’s brother, Robert. They want nothing to do with military service.

Even Chakotay, who retains the religion of his tribe, only joined Starfleet against the wishes of his family. For that matter, Joseph Sisko didn’t raise Ben to join the service:

SISKO: You didn't raise me to be a liar.
JOSEPH: I raised you to be a chef, for all the good it did me!

- "A Time to Stand”.

I get the sense that Starfleet just isn’t the place for anyone with human religious beliefs. (Obviously Vulcan and Klingon and Bajoran rituals are just fine, for whatever reason?!?).

It is unfortunate that every time we see Earth in the future on Star Trek it is San Francisco or Iowa or New Orleans or Montana. It would be nice if they visited Rome, or Istanbul, or Damascus, or Jerusalem, for a change.
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