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Tempeh
Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 4:34pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night

There's a big problem with this episode. The station doesn't look like it did in previous flashback episodes. In those episodes the station was very dark and loud. Anyone else notice? I understand that in this episode the station is brand new, so maybe the writers were thinking it became more dark as time went on.
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grumpy_otter
Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:07am (UTC -5)
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story

@Chrome

Oh! Well I'll be looking forward to hearing your responses to them! Apparently, where peoples' reactions to Rogue One divide is based on whether or not they connect to the characters. I did, so I love it. And it has the funniest droid of ANY movie, lol

And about the site -- It's not that it was better, just that there weren't as many active commenters, so conversations moved more slowly. But I am glad it is the way it is--it encourages me to go back and re-read old conversations, and it is fun to see replies continuing to come in to old discussions.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 5:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

@Chrome and William B

Actually, I googled and figured out that the one I saw and thought was bloated and boring was The Dark Knight. I didn't enjoy Ledger's Joker or any of the characters, so I never bothered to watch any more in that series. So I can't speak to the quality of the prequel.

Oh, I'd forgotten that Daniel Craig did Casino Royale--the only one I've seen with him is Skyfall. Oddly--I don't think I've discussed James Bond in ages--today my grandson came over in a suit and explained that he was Bond. James Bond. He saw "Goldeneye" and got hooked, lol

But I was actually over on the Solo: A Star Wars Story board and got an inspiration, so I continued the prequel discussion there. I tagged you in my comment, Chrome. :-)

But the basic idea is that a prequel can be successful if we don't know too much about what it is prequeling. If we know too much, our expectations can be too high.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 10:15am (UTC -5)
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story

@Chrome

So, I realized when I wrote the comment above that you hadn't commented on this review but thought you might wander over some time.

Anyway, while I'm on the topic--do y'all get notifications somewhere when someone tags you like that? I simply go back to my previous comments and then read from there to check for replies.

But I've been on Jammer's site for 12 years (WOW) and it's a lot bigger than it used to be. Used to be easy to find stuff. Now not so much.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 10:08am (UTC -5)
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story

@Chrome

As a continuation of our discussion of "prequels suck" from the TLJ review, I was struck by this line in Jammer's review of Solo -- "They are dutiful back-fillers of character histories we've already been told about or imagined well enough on our own."

I think that's generally the problem with prequels. I loved Rogue One, as you know, and I think part of the reason it worked so well for me is that it was based on one simple fact--we knew that the Death Star plans were in Leia's possession. Beyond that simple fact, we knew nothing. So the creators of that story were free to develop it however they wished.

I enjoyed Solo, and wouldn't mind re-watching it, but I think I agree completely with Jammer about the flaws. We know Han Solo SOOOO well that any prequel is going to be burdened with all our collective imaginings. It was okay, but nothing to write home about.

Now, "Many Bothans died to bring us this information" might make for a good prequel because that's all we know about it. I can imagine a heroic Bothan with a great back story. We never saw a Bothan in the movies, but from a google it looks like they have been depicted in other things and they look awesome.

But on the prequel topic, I am reminded of this absolutely hilarious proposal for an eventual prequel--about that guy in the tower we saw at Yavin IV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVJbmQgt2kc
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 9:09am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: Attack of the Clones

@Davidw

"If only the Game of Thrones people were in charge, you might have gotten a tolerable movie out of it."

I'm sorry, your comment made me laugh and laugh. I am a fan of the books and gave up watching the TV sometime in Season 2 because I got tired of how much was left out and it just felt so flat to me therefore. Though I must admit I did enjoy the online horror after the Red Wedding. Muwhahaha--we book readers all knew it was coming!

But as the series came to a close I thought I'd check in with it again--watched bits here and there, read reviews to catch up with the direction the show had gone, and checked out the finale. And all i have to say is . . . the BELLS.

Do you still think the GoT people would have done a good job? lol

That's not a lol at you--I just think the general consensus is that they butchered the ending.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 7:59am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens

@Jason R.

I just finished answering the responses (including yours) to my recent comment on TLJ, so then had to go check up on what I'd written originally about TFA. And then I realized I never wrote a reaction to Rogue One when I first saw it because I went here and wrote THIS one (you can see above) instead, and then forgot, I guess. And then TLJ sucked all the hope out of me again.

I finally realized something--you may have noticed I am not terribly analytical, lol--I've only seen TFA once, and I didn't feel inspired to comment on it at the time. I didn't feel inspired to comment on it until after I got excited by Rogue One. Looking back more objectively, and now especially after TLJ, I see how lame TFA was. What I said above is still true, to some extent, but looking back at it more clearly, I realized that all TFA did was give me a little glimmer of hope going forward that the prequels were forgotten and we were heading in a good direction. But I had no desire to see it again (with the original Star Wars--it wasn't "Episode IV" then--I saw it 5 or 6 times in theaters) because it wasn't good. But it felt like Star Wars, so it was okay. It was actually my excitement about Rogue One that was buoying me when I wrote the comment above, lol

Anyway, you and I are of one mind on many things--Abrams included.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 6:42am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

@Chrome

You mentioned Batman Begins, Casino Royale, and The Godfather II as evidence that prequels don't suck.

I think I'll trust William B. on this because (say it softly) I haven't seen Batman Begins or Casino Royale. I saw the first Batman with Christian Bale – Batman Beyond? Whatever – and found it bloated and boring. I was amazed it got all the praise it did. So I never bothered to see Batman Begins. And wasn't Casino Royale the funny one with David Niven? I am not expert in that world. But the Godfather II – Ahhhh! I think there is one crucial difference to most prequels – have you read the book? Vito's backstory was all in there already, and left out in the original Godfather for space. So they already had that very-strong script just waiting to be written.

But Wikipedia has a page called “List of Prequels” – take a look at it. There are a few gems in there—a VERY few—but for a film where the original was great, like “Dirty Dancing,” the prequel was just ugh. Maybe I should refine my definition. Maybe a prequel could be great if the original wasn't all that wonderful. But if you have a bar that high to hit, it's hard to not fail miserably. Trying to capture magic in a bottle a second time is difficult.

I won't analyze Star Trek 2009 here except to say I wish they'd come up for a different name for this new series set in space.

@Booming

“You think that Rogue one was the second best Star Wars movie.
Why?? The characters were all the bland and boring.”

I've discovered something through over a decade of participating on this site, watching people argue what the best Star Trek series are—you need characters you connect with to really love a film or series. I don't like DS9. I have tried really hard, but none of the characters clicked with me enough to carry me through episodes I don't like. I love (most of) the characters in Voyager and TNG so much that I can enjoy even weak episodes because I like those people so much.

I really like Jyn Erso. I connected with her. I liked her compatriots. And I thought that droid was hilarious. And then the story was exciting and made sense. But I can totally see how if you didn't connect with them, it would be boring.

@Chrome

“Not to mention Rogue One is a Star Wars prequel. ;-) “

Bingo! Good one—I'll give you that.

@Jason R.

“I didn't care for The Last Jedi but when people like Grumpy_Otter deride it while praising The Force Awakens, it really touches a nerve with me. Not because TLJ doesn't deserve derision, but because like so many, he has been hoodwinked from the start.”

First, grumpy_otter is a girl. But that's okay—It's kind of hard to tell with otters. Go back to what I wrote—if you could have heard my tone of voice, I wasn't really praising it. A little backstory to clarify—the prequels devastated me. I saw the original when I was a child and grew up with them, and had been looking forward eagerly to the new ones. And then . . . sigh.

So when the new ones started coming out, I didn't even bother. TFA was out for more than a year before I saw it, and I only saw it because I was on a LONG plane ride and it was one of the movies I could watch to pass the time. So I hesitantly started it and . . . it was okay. I liked Rey at the beginning, and Finn, and Poe, and loved seeing our beloved Han and Leia and Chewie and a wee bit of Luke. But it got weaker as it went on – does Rey EVER fail at ANYTHING? And have you seen Mark Hamill talk about how he thought his character should have come back? In the big snow fight, he thought he should jump in and save Rey before Kylo beat her. But oh well.

So yeah, it was far from perfect, and my “I liked it” was sort of a shrugging, offhand thing. Obviously it has flaws for days, but I thought it captured the feel of the originals, and it had enough likable characters that I felt a tentative flicker of hope for the next ones. You said it was “hollow and empty,” yeah, I can see that. It was trying so hard to be ANH that it had nothing left to be itself. But I think some blame has to be set at the feet of Johnson. As I said before, watching Mark Hamill talk about trying to warn him was heartbreaking. (btw, I agree with you completely on JJ Abrams)

@Peter G.

“I'll pick on a more innocuous part of grumpy_otter's post: You really liked Attack of the Clones better than Revenge of the Sith?”

Well, they are pretty much all horrible, but at least Clones is laughably bad and if you are drinking the scenes with the “love” story are funny. But if you ignore all that, Obi Wan's story of trying to find out about the clone army is pretty fun. I liked the water planet and fighting with Boba Fett.

ROTS made me want to rip my eyes out.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 5:25am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

Well thanks, y'all! Appreciate the kind remarks Springy, and wolfstar and Latex Zebr. Which makes me wonder if something has happened to Latex Zebra? lol

I've been disappointed ever since it ended that we didn't get to see all the reunions with their families, so there we go!
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grumpy_otter
Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 3:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

I wrote MY ending for it.

They have received the news that they will be home soon. The method is unimportant. Alien technology, a wormhole—whatever. The first hour will deal with their reacitons to this news.

Seven is nervous about meeting all the new people and talks to Doctor about her concerns. There are tears and hugs and joy and sorrow as they say their goodbyes and make their plans. Naomi and Samantha are joyous that she'll finally get to meet her Dad--and so are we as I don't think we ever saw a K'tarian before, did we?

Harry is bouncing off the walls. We smile at his enthusiasm. Everyone else is happy and we touch on what all the the characters are looking forward to.

Then the second hour is actually pulling into a docking port and the crew leaving the ship, hugging Captain Janeway as they step off for the last time, and the reunions begin. Harry is first off, leaping with joy to his parents. And Libby maybe?

Tom and his father see each other and Tom starts to run to him, then hesitates--maybe Dad is still angry? Then Admiral Paris runs to him and hugs him so tight he can't breathe. B'Elanna is standing hesitantly behind, holding the baby, and finally the admiral releases his son and turns to her and hugs her, saying "I am so happy to meet my daughter in law," then takes the baby and says "I might give her back someday," and cuddles her lovingly. B'Elanna's father says, "You might have to fight me for her, Admiral." And B'Elanna bursts into tears and hugs her Dad.

Tuvok is greeted by his wife and family, in the subdued Vulcan way, but as he raises his hand to greet T'Pel, palm to palm, we see the merest suggestion of a tear glimmering in the corner of his eye.

Seven and Chakotay step off together and suddenly a crowd of reporters and curiosity seekers swarm towards her. Fearfully, she steps back and looks behind her, and suddenly realizes. She runs back to the ship and says, "Captain, where is the Doctor? There are no holoemitters on the dock. Does he have his mobile emitter?" Seven runs to sickbay and finds the Doctor tidying up his things. She says "When I became afraid, I looked around for the person I trust most in the world, and he wasn't there. I need my best friend to face all this with me." She then extends her hand to him, and they leave the ship together. She spots Irene Hansen in the crowd coming toward her, carrying a strawberry pie. Seven introduces the Doctor to her, never letting go of his hand. Lewis Zimmerman walks forward, surprising the Doctor. He looks well. "So happy to see you, my . . . son." They hug. The Doctor says, "I'd like you to meet Seven of Nine. She is my . . . " his eyes glisten as he looks at her curiously. "Fiance," Seven says definitively.

Chakotay is greeting his family as he sees the Doctor and Seven leaving together and he smiles. He knew his own flirtation with Seven was more convenience than real attraction. He greets Reginald Barclay, who has been dashing back and forth, greeting everyone from the ship, so happy he can barely speak. We see some familiar faces leaving, a great mass of happy reunions all over the dock. Chakotay looks back toward the hatch and cannot see the Captain. He goes searching for her and finally finds her on the bridge. "It's hard to leave," she says. He understands. "Have you relinquished command?" he asks.

She nods. "The admiral spoke to me a few minutes ago. I just wanted to say goodbye to her.." Chakotay walks up to her and takes her hand, then pulls her close. "You're not my Captain anymore, Kathryn." She turns her face up to his and kisses him the way she has been dreaming of doing for years. He kisses her back the same way, probably with tongue.

Five years later they meet for a reunion. And they all live happily ever after.

Yes, I'm a total sap.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 7:33am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

TFA had given me hope that Disney was trying to bring Star Wars back to the style of the originals. I definitely had new hope that, as derivative as that story was, it was clearly trying to capture the feel of our young protagonist up against all odds. I liked it.

Then Rogue One, which is my second-favorite of all the Star Wars movies. (Empire at the top, of course) I thought it was amazing, moving--a clear plot with a clear objective, likeable characters, and no moments where I said "Why did they do that?"

So my hopes were high!

And then . . . this. I wanted to love it so much, but it was so flat. I was CONSTANTLY saying "Huh?" and "Why?" It had no clear goal, characters who seemed to have no idea what they were supposed to be doing, and WAY too many throwaway moments and people acting like idiots.

They want a strong female lead? Great! Then don't make her act like a dictatorial idiot!

Watching Mark Hamill talk in interviews about what they did to Luke is heartbreaking. You can tell he was disappointed beyond belief. And apparently he TRIED to tell them that Luke was completely unbelievable, but they thought they knew better. Think about that. A bunch of young upstarts with dollar signs in their eyes thought they understood Luke better than Mark Hamill.

And don't even get me started on Leia flying through space like a bad CGI Superman. Good lord. That was as bad as Anakin being a virgin birth. I understand they took the reins from the ones responsible for this mess. Well good. Maybe Luke can fucking wake up at the beginning of the next one and say "Oh, it was all a dream." It certainly couldn't be worse.

I understand people have different likes and dislikes, and I'm not mad at anyone who likes this one. I'm just sad.

This is my list:

Empire
Rogue One
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
Solo
The Last Jedi
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith


The prequels are all pretty equally bad--I just put them in the order I'd least object to watching them again.

And speaking of prequels--go look up a list of all TV and movie prequels and see if ANY of them weren't terrible. Prequels suck.
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grumpy_otter
Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 7:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: Balance of Terror

@ Iceman

"You gave up the episode before "Improbable Cause"? Ouch. "

Okay, I'll give it another shot. But if they go back to that damn pointless mirror universe, I am going to be pissed.
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The Companion
Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 8:51am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

As someone who lurks these forums and reads message by message (and anywhere else would be considered an "SJW"), I absolutely do not see the extremes with which someone here is complaining of. Curse words, sure, but this is an adult forum. What I do see are sharp critiques of writing and storytelling and I hope that they continue.
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Tempeh
Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 10:27am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Ascent

I love how there's always a planet nearby when a ship needs to suddenly land. Anyway, this episode is uneventful and unnecessary. We've already had enough prior interaction between Odo and Quark; no resounding changes happen to thier relationship here. The B plot about roommates disagreeing about cleanliness is about as interesting as this sentence.
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Tempeh
Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 11:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Nor the Battle to the Strong

I don't like this episode. It attempts to shock you while trying to make you feel back for Jake. It works a little bit, It's just not entertaining.
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Ocampa
Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 7:09am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: The Red Angel

I have read now that after one episode she returned to the Enterprise? O, okay. Was expecting to see more of her.
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Ocampa
Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 6:21am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: The Red Angel

Where has Number One (played bij Rebecca Romijn) gone?
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Tempeh
Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 9:27pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Blood of Patriots

I agree with the very first comment. Boring, and one of the worst episodes of the Orville so far.
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Tempeh
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 7:02am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Accession

This is probably one of the best Bajoran-centered episodes. Very compelling drama all around.
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Tempeh
Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 9:23pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

A good episode, but very predictable. We knew Issac would change sides again, and that the Krill would come at the very last minute (see DS9 Sacrifice of Angels). The space battle was too busy to watch (see opening of Revenge of the Sith). Despite those major gripes, 3 stars.
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Grumpy Tribble
Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 12:42pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: The Visitor

It's certainly not a bad episode by any means. It was fine. But I just don't get what I'm missing here. It was cliche and predictable, the old-age makeup was hilariously crappy, and the alternate future (the only reason I personally watched the episode in the first place) wasn't very interesting.

That said, if most people find this episode moving, I'd say that's a good thing. It's not like there's anything bad writing or bad messages in this episode. This episode had good goals IMO, and if those goals succeeded on most people, then that's also good.
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Tempeh
Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 6:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part I

There are twice as many comments here than there are on the Best of Both Worlds Part 1 review. I'd say the Orville has made its mark.
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Ocampa
Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 12:41am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: The Sound of Thunder

So according to the Disco captain and crew the Ba'ul can just f*** off and die. Okay.
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Tempeh
Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 6:28am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part I

My prediction is that the whole genocide backstory and upcoming attack is just a test designed by Issac's people, to see how the Union reacts.
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Tempeh
Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 9:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part I

An easy four-star episode! My biggest complaint is the intended attack on Earth. Attacks on Earth are a huge cliche in sci-fi.

Issac seemed a lot different once he was restored, and I'm not sure why his people are keeping him alive. I thought they said he had fulfilled his mission and would be recycled. Maybe I need to see it again.
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