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Mal
Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 8:29am (UTC -5)
Re: ANDR S1: Harper 2.0

Awesome catch @eastwest101 ;)

Lexa Doig may be the hottest woman ever to star in a scifi show. The writers must have loved that line!
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Booming
Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 4:07am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Ship

"but so much could or would have gone terribly wrong before that which could have effectively ended the war before then"
As they say in the states woulda coulda shoulda. :)

" Maybe Churchill's books on the series are biased"
Maybe... As one historian wrote: In Callahan's view, Churchill was guilty of "carefully reconstructing the story" to suit his postwar political goals.

"No documentaries I have seen about the Battle of Britain suggest that it was some cakewalk -"
As I said between the defeat of France and the invasion of Russia there was a short time were the Axis was superior in some areas. In 1943 on the other hand most major German and Japanese cities were already what the historian calls "completely destroyed". Germany and Japan as the upstarts could get some wins in during the first two years of major warfare (mid 1940- mid 1942) but after that the complete superiority in every area became more and more overwhelming. It was the time span GB and the USA needed to convert their much larger economies from peacetime to wartime and mobilize their populations.

"Frankly I am a little surprised at you agreeing with Trent's borderline equivalence between Nazis and allies - you always seem more hardcover anti fascist in these situations."
In these debates I'm always reminded of what Michael Shermer said about scientific training. It makes it really hard to not see objective reality, if it is pleasing or not doesn't matter.
I wouldn't say that there were "good" countries on either side but the allies definitely included the better countries. It is true though the Nazis copied the race laws of the southern states in the USA. GB let millions starve to death in India in 1943. The Soviet Union under Stalin did (insert horrible crime here). The Allies weren't knights in shinning armor but compared to the Nazis and imperial Japan they were the better side. A somewhat free press and an equally somewhat fair legal system (for some), a certain hesitancy to actively murder millions. It was good that they won. :)
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Nota Name
Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 12:35am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: The Immunity Syndrome

@okrad del diablo

You have some serious anger issues, racism issues and a glorification of violence. Your way is clearly “the American way”. Democracy through the barrel of a gun, other cultures can go F themselves in the face of our superior might....

Why you watch Star Trek at all is hard to fathom, and I say that as a fairly right wing individual myself. Roddenberry’s pacifism annoys me at times, but I don’t go around hating on an entire race with an interesting and well developed culture. God forbid anyone like you would ever represent our species, you’d get us all killed because someone looked at you wrong or failed to recognise the superiority of humans (the deep irony that you have a god complex toward humans (and Americans I suspect) while hating the Vulcans for the same.

It’s reactionary, low-intelligence bullshit of the highest order, and your comments in this thread where you are violently hating on Spock (wanting him slapped harder until he bleeds) are deeply disturbing, to say nothing of cowardly (anonymous Internet thug talks violently about others, yawn). I worry for whoever you live with, no doubt if they looked at you wrong you’d give them a slapping too.

Seriously, get help. And by the way, I don’t love Vulcans, I’m not a pacifist or a serious Trek fan, so don’t try and misdirect toward those things. This is about your unpleasantness and nothing else.
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Booming
Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 6:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Ship

@Jason
"I am not trying to be difficult here but the French lost."
Sure, doesn't mean that France didn't have a better army. The Sickle Cut was just batshit crazy. It was an incredibly risky gamble.

"I mean the Iraqis might have had more ground troops than the USA in the Gulf War but who cares? The Arabs also had a ton more men and tanks than the Israelis during the s?Six-day-war - big deal."
The first example is obviously off and in the second the Israelis were definitely the underdogs.

I'm not sure if we are actually debating the word underdog. What I want to say is that Germany and Japan could have never won that war. If the BEF would have been annihilated maybe GB would have sued for peace, maybe but probably not. It's like with the Confederacy. They beat the USA in what 10 battles in a row. Didn't matter. Lee remarked after Fredericksburg that this victory meant nothing because the USA could easily replace the losses.

The moment Japan attacked the USA and Germany declared war on the USA as well (even though the Japanese never declared war on the Soviet Union) both Japan and Germany were doomed. The GDP of the USA was bigger than that of all Axis powers combined. Russia alone had more soldiers than all the Axis powers combined. From then on it was just a matter of time. The only thing that could have saved them... Prophets. :)

"They were hardly churning the things out like gumballs!"
They kind of did but it took a while. The span between Pearl Harbor and Midway was what, seven month? Takes a little longer than that to build Carriers.

Wouldn't it have been cooler if the Dominion had been as strong or maybe even somewhat weaker but still won at first? Or Proxy wars...
But they went with the most simplistic option. Big unstoppable empire has to be stopped. I found the Klingon war far more interesting. It made no sense because the Klingons don't border the Cardassians but hey the Federation supported a former enemy for zero political gain because it was the right thing to do.
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Booming
Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 1:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Ship

@Jason
You are not debating me but reality. I posted the numbers above.
It is not revisionist history.
The French had more and better tanks but these tanks often had no radio and were supposed to be coordinated by flag commands which obviously is not a good solution. They were also used as infantry support and not as separate units like the German army used them. The Maginot line wasn't build up to the channel because of Belgian protests and the French military deemed the Ardennes impassable for a larger force which made the Sickle Cut possible.

Yes, the Germans had better/very risky strategies !because! they were inferior. They left very little troops in Poland on the Soviet border, while the French had their troops everywhere. For gods sake, in 1935 Germany basically didn't have an army and no air force. What do they teach you in Canada?

"So yes, I am taking serious issue with this revisionist history casting Axis powers as the underdogs in this"
Can you take it down a notch. Don't worry the Nazis still lost the war. If you want to believe that Nazi Germany was this gigantic empire and those plucky soldiers of the tiny British Empire stood against it, fine.

"And on the Pacific side, awfully lucky that America's carriers were on exercises during Pearl Harbor and weren't sent to the bottom of the ocean. No carriers = no chance of victory against Japan."
What?! Can you research this stuff before you post it. At the end of the war the USA had 28 heavy carriers and 71 Escort carriers. In 1943 with or without the original carriers the US would have had superiority in this area.
This is not about heroism or anything this is about industrial capacities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_World_War_II#/media/File:Carriers_ww2_by_country.png

@Top Hat
Thanks.
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Booming
Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:11am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Ship

"The Pacific Ocean comprises 30 percent of the Earth's surface. The Gamma Quadrant is 25 percent of the galaxy. Close enough."
I meant it in the sense that even if the Dominion would control all of the gamma quadrant it wouldn't border the Federation while the USA border the Pacific.

"The Dominion flat out told the Federation that *any* incursion into the gamma quadrant was a violation of their territory."
When did they do that?

"As for the Axis being the underdogs in WW2 that is a little hard to swallow but I suppose it depends on the time frame. After the fall of France and Dunkirk? Very hard to swallow."
They were from start to finish. Maybe the short phase between the defeat of France and the attack on Russia.
The French army was bigger and better equipped than the German army (apart from the air force) and there the was the BEF as well. Not to forget the Maginot line.
The French were just lead very badly and made some grave strategic and tactical mistakes. Same is true for the Red Army in 41, less so in 42 and after.
When the USA joined, the production of the Allies vs the Axis was around 10 to 1.
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Booming
Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 2:14am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Ship

@Jason
"If Imperial Japan declared the entire Pacific Ocean their domain, should the USA as an enlightened power accede to this demand to avoid provoking them? More importantly, does this avoid war or make it even more likely to occur?"
That is not really comparable. More like Japan declaring the Chinese sea/East Asia their domain. The whole Allies vs Axis thing doesn't work anyway because the Axis even at the height of their power never came close to the endless amounts of production and resources the Allies had at their disposal.

Here a few numbers to highlight that: Production 1939-1945 Allies vs Axis
- Tanks, self-propelled artillery, vehicles 4,358,649 670,288
- Artillery, mortars, guns 6,792,696 1,363,491
- Aircraft 637,248 229,331
- Ships 54,932 1,670
- military personal 80,000,000 30,000,000
- Crude oil 1,043,000,000 66,000,000
- GDP 97,707,908,723.20 10,268,201,776.37

As you see the Allies were vastly superior which is a reversal of the Dominion Federation/Alpha Quadrant situation.
As Trent said. They Federation should have armed itself, strengthened any alliance and avoided any action that could have lead to a sooner war.
Trent is also right in saying that if the Federation doesn't have the power to enforce anything in the Gamma Quadrant then it really doesn't matter what the Federation thinks.
It is also true that the Federation made the attempt of the Romulans and Cardassians to commit genocide possible. What did the Federation think the Romulans would do with the info of the founders homeworld.

If you know that somebody wants to commit genocide, not at some point but now, with the info you provided, and then you don't warn the threatened people. How guilty are you?

The Federation started it's slow descent into the dirty upside down Federation of NuTrek. These people disliked the positive vision of Star Trek or maybe they did but thought that you couldn't market it to a big enough audience.
Especially the US likes to think of itself as the underdog who still somehow wins, even though it is normally vastly superior, like during the cold war were they battled a Soviet Union that was devastated after WW2 and the US is still proud of beating them. It's like being proud about winning in a fight against a guy who coughed blood and had broken arms and legs while you are a heavy weight champion.

So they turned it into a good vs evil plot where good is much weaker. It very simplistically appeals to the emotional desires of much more people.
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Tom
Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 12:25am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: The Deadly Years

I'm a Millenial and as far as I'm concerned, the Boomers can have the world. The X-ers might feel disenfranchised but for myself and the other Millenials I know you tend to look around and wonder what the fuss is all about and what everyone is fighting over. Regardless, I think the world will be a very different place once the Boomers are gone.
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Peremensoe
Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Distant Origin

Humans *did* explore and populate almost the whole earth with technology just a couple steps beyond rafts (outrigger canoes), so I'm not sure how that analogy even works to make the Voth journey seem unlikely. Neither the humans nor the Voth made the trip in a single generation, of course.
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MS
Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 1:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Critical Care

Its pretty entertaining to me seeing people call this episode an indictment of "socialist" healthcare; as if patients in Canada and the UK are deemed "worthy" for treatment by a "social credit score" or something.

This is very obviously a critique of the US private healthcare system. "TC" is a stand-in for wealth, and social class. The "red" section is the lower class, the poor, the working class. The "blue" section is the upper class; the professionals, the administrators, the wealthy.

The "allocator" is the market. The wealthy, those with "TC" that's high enough, are afforded the chance to get the best healthcare they can get, to the detriment of everyone else. The poor, those with a "TC" that's too low, get the worst standard of care, that's barely serviceable.

This has been how healthcare has worked for most of human history. This is not a new phenomenon. The rich have gotten good treatment, the poor have gotten, well, poor treatment. The private healthcare system in the US just formalizes this arrangement.

I'm not sure how healthcare worked in Communist countries; I'm not even sure that they're relevant, or comparable to countries like Canada or the UK. This is an American television show, they are talking about the American healthcare system.

It's funny, this reminds me a lot of the "Colbert Report" effect; people of whatever political persuasion just believe that the show is agreeing with them, despite what the performer is actually trying to convey. I believe something similar is happening here.
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Mark
Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:42am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Remember

I cannot believe the nit-picky comments here. Why did Jora/Kirina pick B'Elanna? Why not? She had to pick someone, B'Elanna was working with the Enarans a lot, and B'Elanna had the personality to push the truth no matter what. Why didn't Jora/Kirina do it herself? Because she's not B'Elanna, she was obviously far more cowardly and shy. B'Elanna would have NEVER done what Jora/Kirina did in the final dream. Why didn't the Enarans know about the massacres when they're all psychic? Because it's established they can't read minds, they can only project the specific memories of their choosing when they want to, and can hide them just as easily. And also, it's established that they didn't want to know even when proof is readily available, which is certainly true of the many people who deny historical atrocities on our planet. Was the episode black and white? Of course it was. Because sometimes people are just 100% wrong. That does happen. And I certainly don't want to see Star Trek try to present the "other side" of the issue where genocide is concerned. This was a powerful, disturbing episode. It had something important to say. I'm disappointed at all the people nerdily nit-picking it apart, or saying it's not a realistic analogy. It is, and you guys remind me of the Enarans who refuse to believe the truth also. I mean, the Enaran government officials even dressed in a way vaguely reminiscent of the Nazis. This did happen, and with their well-done metaphor there was really only one position Star Trek could take on it. And like The Diary of Anne Frank, they personalized it to the experience of one person, which made the point more relatable. Kudos.
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Atomguy
Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 9:24am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back

I must say, this film is damn perfect. I didn't grow up on Star Wars, but by god I love this movie so so much, especially the god. damn. score.
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Booming
Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 8:20am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Melora

Yeah and that is why certain groups are often portrayed as being unfriendly or whatever you want to call her behavior so that the normals can feel justified in being annoyed of the groups these people represent.
In essence they turned a script by a guy in a wheelchair that wanted to shine a sympathetic light on how it is to be disabled, especially in connection to the problems normal people create, into a script that made disabled people look shitty.
To give a visual representation of what they did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXbvtov9FHg&ab_channel=EmojiDystopia
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Booming
Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 5:56am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Melora

I get it but in this case it is more about the vast majority often perceiving people who are outside the spectrum of normalcy as bothersome or problematic and switching that around is less easy to digest so they didn't.
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Booming
Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 2:56am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Melora

The disabled person being the problem and acting difficult while the normies are not. Never seen that before...

In the original draft, written by a disabled person, it was actually the other way around. The normies were the once creating the problems and the disabled person was the one who had to deal with that but for some very easily understandable reason they didn't do it that way.
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Tomalak
Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 1:59am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Melora

"Extremely mediocre episode. What bothered me endlessly was how Melora's borderline insubordination in the beginning is never even commented upon.
"I know Starfleet isn't strictly military, but an ensign being rude and even hostile to superior officers without anyone even saying something?"

Indeed, it wasn't realistic. "Rude guest star joins the main cast for an episode" can work. In Data's Day the Vulcan (Romulan as it turned out) Ambassador was noticeably rude - but she wasn't part of the Starfleet hierarchy. In numerous TNG episodes Ro Laren was rude too - and got in trouble for it. But simply inserting a bolshy, unprofessionally difficult Ensign into the DS9 cast and seeing them completely overlook her behaviour made no sense.
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James G
Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 12:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Time's Arrow, Part II

Comments here apply to both parts.

I was really looking forward to this one - the idea of Data's head being discovered in San Francisco was fascinating and intriguing. In practice, the whole story turned out to be, for me, an overlong dog's breakfast of fanciful nonsense. It's comfortably one of the worst-conceived ideas of the whole Trek canon, so why it was singled out to be padded and stretched out to a two-parter is beyond me.

Now - I know you have to suspend your disbelief a bit in science fiction. Especially in time travel stories. But Christ on a Bike, there's so much wrong with this.

This idea that the aliens are invisible because they are living in a fractionally different time - why? You'd just see them as they were a fraction of a second previously. There's no character development for the villainous aliens at all. Why is it even necessary for them to be visiting 19th Century Earth from the 24th Century? Their own time could just as easily be the 22nd Century, or the 26th, or even the 13th!

Star Trek period pieces always bore me I'm afraid but the Mark Twain character makes this one unbearable.

There's a curious feature in this story in that Crusher appears to speak a lines intended for Geordi: "I haven't been able to determine if our phaser energy can generate a stable field". Similarly for some reason early on in the first part, Geordi turns out to be an expert in cellular fossils, and their origin.

I think it's just really sloppy writing.

There's some real, awful technobollocks around this idea of "synchronic displacement".

We're supposed to accept that Data's head is over 500 years old now, for the rest of the canon.

I quite like the idea that Guinan was in 10th Century San Francisco, even though it's a bit of a coincidence. She continues to live for another five centuries or so before she turns up on the Enterprise. I sort of like that. But at what point in this timeline do the Borg attack her planet, and leave the rest of her species wandering like nomads? She already seems to have that existence.

Data tells us that there is "no way to prevent it", on the subject of his severed head. You just can't change destiny. But Guinan refuses to tell Riker what he should do, on the basis that you can change it. The whole 'First Contact' movie is based on the idea that you can. Who's right?

I wondered if Data building some sort of improbable technology from 19th Century bits and pieces was an homage to Spock doing similar with 1930 tech in City On The Edge Of Forever.

Anyway the various plot holes and logical faults are not really the problem here. It's just not engaging or interesting, it's not coherent and all the fanciful flamboyant tripe like the old bugger with the cigar and Picard's acting troupe, and the old Irish landlady are grindingly boring.

For me the worst episode of the 5th series, and - hopefully - of the 6th.
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James G
Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 12:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Time's Arrow, Part I

I watched the first of this two-parter a few days ago, and the second part just now. I really didn't like it. But I'll summarise my thoughts about both parts in the comments for the concluding part.
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Mal
Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 11:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S4: Fourth Season Recap

Wow @Jack Bauer, that ENT documentary was extremely cathartic!

https://youtu.be/hYGGXRNvR5Q

Reminds me of the Ronald D Moore interview @Keiren posted in @Jammer's review of Voyager season 6,

https://www.jammersreviews.com/st-voy/s6/recap.php

I especially liked hearing a little more about the Ronald D Moore/Brannon Braga feud. Man, Braga fucked up. But Star Trek's loss was nBSG's gain!
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Mr Peepers
Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 8:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Family

Just watched this again today.

Jammer was wrong. Worf's father used to be a warp specialist on the previous generation of Starships. He had the schematics for the newer class because his son served on the newest class ship.

My nitpick is that Chief Petty Officer O'Brien is enlisted, but he wears Lt. Pips on his collar. Sergey even commented that he also was an enlisted Chief Petty Officer, and was proud that Worf was commissioned and a higher rank then he was.

I love the episode, but Picard's brother needed a beat down. Knowing how he was, I would never go back and visit him.
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Marcus
Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 6:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang

I gave i 4/5 for now, it's fluff, but quite entertaining at that. I liked the baseball episode even more though.

Racism is no longer a big deal in 2400s but everyone in the show seems to know a lot about earth history, and especially pay a lot of attention to historical injustices and how things went wrong, in order to avoid them.

This is also a result of it being written in the 90s for people living in that time - even though it's set in 2400s - and there racism still exists, and one doesn't have to go far back for it to have been much worse, so it's only natural the writers also focus on that occasionally. In this case only for a few minutes, and still people are so defensive.

Being surprised and annoyed at left wing politics such as being against racism in Star Trek kinda surprises me. In many ways humans in Star Trek live in a leftist utopia, discrimination among humans and other federation species (mostly) being a thing of the past, and they live in a post scarcity society with no rich or poor, people wanting for nothing, so focus can be more on enjoying life, bettering ourselves and a sense of duty. I also remember Riker mentioning they don't eat animals as well (replicated, sure, that's like cultured meat in our time), so empathy has also been extended more to the other sentient animals besides us. At least in TNG.

In the larger scheme of things there certainly are tons of issues still in their time though, as problems are interesting to write and make stories about, so there's plenty of conflicts with other species, and disagreements among humans about how to tackle them etc. The utopia isn't in the universe as a whole, and the federation and star fleet themselves aren't without issues to solve.
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Neilmack
Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 1:58pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Tears like niagra falls at the end!!

I was a little underwhelmed with most of what went on this season. Yes, there were good moments and some great TNG nostalgia but I wasn't too bothered how episode 10 panned out.

With 15 min to go I was like "oh this exciting but so what?" Then Picard dies and those scenes hit me hard! Emphasised by having just finishing watching the whole of TNG from start to finish over a 3 to 4 month period.

I discovered Jammers reviews after another guy's reviews ended in season 4 or 5 of TNG. Love reading your thoughts after the episode!
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Jeremy
Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 12:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: First Contact

Just watched this episode for the first time in a while. I found the parallels to our society fascinating. In universe, it would have been awesome to get a "Second Contact" follow up episode.
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Booming
Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 9:01am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Distant Origin

"Isn't that like someone fleeing New York on a raft and settling in Japan?"
Or on the moon.
So yeah it is pretty ridiculous for many reasons.
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Atomguy
Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 8:00am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Retrospect

This comments section functions as a really interesting time capsule, with people getting more passionate as time gets on.
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