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Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 1:47pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S6: Far Beyond the Stars

What I'd forgotten about this episode is how much *fun* much of it is. Seeing the actors without makeup, how they conform (or don't) to their established characters. The scenes in the writers' room, which have great dialogue and pacing. Michael Dorn in general, but particularly trying to squelch his resonant baritone, and J.G. Hertzler changing his Martok voice not at all.

It's also worth noting that was probably the first scifi show that could field a group of black actors out of the regular and recurring characters to play the scenes set in Harlem.

Fenn's comment last year with the MLK quote and the way it it fits for Odo as well as Pabst is brilliant. It also alludes to something that the episode did particularly well, which is showing racism as a systemic problem, rather than the fault of a few individuals, which is what a lot of US media was doing when talking about racism and is still doing now.

I feel like the discussion about Brooks' acting in the breakdown scene is irrelevant, largely because how most people react to it depends on how they react to the episode as a whole. Bluntly: like the ep? Praise Brooks' acting. Don't like it? Say it destroyed the whole story.

The anecdote about Brooks getting lost in the part and actually breaking down was really interesting (and touching), but it points out that we react to that scene based on how we view things outside the story itself--which everyone does.

I love this episode for how it plays with reality, how it talks about race, what it means within the ST canon. But this rewatch reminded me how much I *like* this episode: the dialogue and characterization, the story (which is, thank god, not allegory), the set decoration and costuming.

I also like that it's still got an active thread here 14 years on. Because the episode is iconic and Jammer is amazing..
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Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 1:48pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S6: Aquiel

This episode is a gem for one reason and one reason only: the way Riker has no idea how to interact with the dog and ends up awkwardly clobbering the poor thing’s muzzle every time he tries to show it affection. It gets worse each time he does it and everyone just continues on with a straight face as if he didn’t just do an extremely strange thing to a dog; it’s hilarious.
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Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 2:07pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S1: The Naked Now

It seems that I am coming to this from a different point of view than most: I watched all of TOS a few years ago, but had never seen TNG before a couple of months ago. I started with season 3 because of all the warnings about the first two seasons. I decided to watch this episode — my very first from season 1 — after watching season 4’s “In Theory” (which I did not like) and hearing that Data’s character had originally been played as far more human, a possibility that made questions about his personhood seem more interesting to me.

As someone who watches the show mostly for the hypotheticals/moral dilemmas and not so much for character drama, I expected to hate this episode, but I actually rather liked it. A smiling, biologically vulnerable, and perhaps quietly emotional Data who is so tantalizingly close-but-not-quite-there in human terms is more interesting to me than the Data at the conclusion of “In Theory,” where the writers seem to definitely proclaim that Data is merely a computer we love to anthropomorphize (it is also annoyingly inconsistent with his behavior in other episodes). On top of that, this was my first introduction to Tasha Yar who seems like someone with an interesting background who I would’ve liked to get to know better — with her tough exterior and vulnerable inside she’s far more interesting than either Troi or Crusher. Her seeking out Data reads more genuine and compelling than the random coupling we see in “In Theory” — imagine we’d had a storyline about Tasha’s mixed feelings about having, well, _feelings_ for a robot, and how much more that could have propelled Data’s story too, instead of the rather limp one-off we get in “In Theory.” It seems clear that originally the writers were envisioning a long-term storyline as with Troi/Riker and Crusher/Picard and I think that could have been more fun to watch than either of those two couples.

I’m glad the show ultimately moved away from Geordi’s eyesight being a source of consternation for him though — I always thought it was nice how his eyesight is a non-issue for most of the series, with neither Geordi nor others making much of a big deal about it. Geordi is just Geordi: excellent engineer, endearingly unlucky in love, and all around nice guy. We are aware he is blind, and it’s not hidden from us or without its challenges, but that’s not the most prominent or deepest part of his character.

Riker gets a nice turn to shine here — his ability to keep in control after being infected is both a comment on his strength of character and on how different he is from his colleagues: he seems to be the only member of the crew who’s not really hiding anything and who wears his heart on his sleeve. His relative sobriety is perhaps also a tacit indication about how “out of control” everyone else really is. The contagion is repeatedly compared to a state like drunkenness, and it’s not altogether uncommon for genuine drunkenness to also provide a cover for knowingly engaging in behavior that will later be excused. Picard, Crusher, and Troi may be inebriated, but whatever logical part of them that’s left (and there is some since Crusher, for example, manages to concoct a cure, etc) also knows that they can say or do anything while infected and it won’t “count” against them later.

Most of the other characters (Crusher, Troi, Worf) are surprisingly consistent with their later characterizations given what I’d heard about the unevenness of season 1. The only person who comes off a bit more poorly in this episode is actually Picard, who, whether he’s dislikes children or not, seems too genuinely flustered by Wesley, and without the calm and cool so familiar in later seasons. I’ve never understood the Wesley hate, so his prominent presence in the episode is not a problem for me either.

All the complaints about cringe-inducing dialogue detailed in other comments certainly stand, though. I couldn’t watch Crusher’s horribly on-the-nose comments about Picard being attractive complete with the cliched unzipping of the top of her uniform without some definite squirming. But because I already knew the characters far better by the time I got around to this episode than I think most viewers did when they first viewed it, the episode overall mostly played for me the way it was supposed to: a fun way to watch the crew let their hair down.
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Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 9:00am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S5: Trials and Tribble-ations

Love this episode, but noticed something in the comments from the posters Mad and Paul Allen. Of course you're so concerned about *slut shaming*, or maybe you get your rocks off on the idea of sexed women unrealistically drooling over men. As a feminist, let me let you in on a secret, there is no such thing as female sexual liberation in capitalist society, it's a way that men reframe treating us like pieces of meat, sexual objects, by pretending that it is liberating instead of humiliating, and it's a lie that many women convince themselves of to cope with the constant degradation of being viewed sexually by men.
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Lizzy DataLover
Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 12:24am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S7: All Good Things...

Omg I remember my anticipation for this episode! Sitting there in my room and pressing play on my DVD player was a moment I'll never forget. It was a little anticlimactic I think *only because it was meant to be to usher in the movies* but all in all a pretty great episode. (And let's be honest here definitely better than Nemesis ending wise. And in every aspect for that matter) I was dreading watching it because I didn't want the show to end but I knew It had to. Senile Picard was so sad, married Geordi was cute (Leah?) Captain Beverly was cool and omg Data with a dozen cats!! ^-^ I always knew he'd go down that road.

Regarding what Asher said earlier religion really is a driving force for our society and I doubt it's just gonna go away because we met up with some aliens in the future. In fact I would think religion would be pretty popular in Star Trek time because of all the crazy stuff they've seen. They have plenty of reason to believe in a higher power. They've literally met gods before! (Q, various TOS weirdos) I'm just saying I really admire Gene R's view of the future but the "no religion" thing really bugged me.

Also Troi and Crusher were pretty sadly underused. Troi is just the most useless annoying character I've ever seen. You could tell she really didn't have any idea what she was doing. Crusher was pretty poor as well, but not as much. And honestly, I'll take a boring Dr. Beverly over an evil Pulaski any day.

Real quick because I cant resist:

Picard: Sir Patrick Stewart is a real king and his character is very admirable but I think the early seasons just kinda ruined him for me. Later Picard can be downright badass but Early Picard needs to get off his high horse.

Riker: dude, this guy. I never really liked Riker he's just so shamelessly Kirk. Although for me Kirk did have some admirable moments despite being a ladie's man but Riker was just weird. That grin of his made me want to punch him so hard too many times.

Data: without a doubt the greatest character to ever be created right along Spock. His innocence and obvious humanity (which he is oblivious to) is just so appealing I could go on about him for hours. He is just the sweetest man. Not to mention Brent Spiner did him so much more than justice.

Geordi: he could have been somebody but he was reduced to the nerd boy who's really awkward around girls. Idk I feel like he's really likable but they didn't really give him a chance.

Worf: I love Worf. Maybe not as much as I love Data or Spock but Worf is runner up in the awkward outsider character field. He's funny and cool *when he's not getting his butt kicked of course* but I'm just a sucker for the outsider characters. They remind me of me.

Beverly: yeah kind of a waste but she had potential. I think her relationship with Picard was the main thing she had going for her and it was interesting to see but she could have been given more.

Troi: oh dear. She was just so useless! "I sense the Romulan commander is very anxious" yeah you mean because we have like all our phasers and torpedoes aimed at him? Who would have guessed.

Tasha: she had potential. But no. All she did was wine and cry and seduce innocent Pinocchios into her bedroom and I just couldn't stand her.

Wesley: boy am I glad they canned this little brat.

Pulaski: she doesn't even belong on the list but if i must then she is terrible and was a horribly written and mean spirited character who made season 2 worse than season 1. Somehow.

Wow it looks like Data really is the only reason I watch this show. I love Star Trek with a burning passion but dang, those characters. Sometimes they just disappointed beyond belief.
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Lizzy DataLover
Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 12:28pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: Shades of Gray

There is only one great thing about this episode. Pulaski's leaving!!!!!!!! :D

Y'all probably saw that one coming. But anyway the episode itself is pretty dry and the story *or lack there of* was pathetic. I understand they were going thru the writer's strike and what not, but seriously? At least some of the clips were from decent episodes.

Well it's all in the past now. Anyway I'm off to Starbase [insert number] to greet the lovely Dr. Crusher. ^-^

But before I go:

The Child: 3/10 I really don't like Deanna.

Where Silence Has Lease: 3/10 I just didn't understand anything.

Elementary, Dear Data: 6/10 cute. But it would have been nice if it stayed a Data episode.

The Outrageous Okona: 4/10 Data is funny tho.

Loud As A Whisper: 3/10 what in the world?

The Schizoid Man: 5/10 any excuse to do a Data abduction episode.

Unnatural Selection: 3/10 eww Pulaski.

A Matter Of Honor: 5/10 KLINGONS!!!!

The Measure Of A Man: 8/10 duuude this one. It loses points because Maddox is a little terd who I want to punch multiple times. Also this is the twenty fourth century. EVERYBODY is supposed to be accepted. Still good tho.

The Dauphion: 3/10 oh Wesley. I'm not even gonna bother checking to see if I spelled it right.

Contagion: 7/10 finally another good one.

The Royale: 5/10 silly.

Time Squared: 5/10 this one and Cause And Effect remind me of each other. I liked Effect better.

The Icarus Factor: 4/10 dude WTF?

Pen Pals: 6/10 Data is soooooo cute!! But ugh all that Prime Directive crap.

Q Who?: 7/10 I don't know bro. I always hated the Borg. They're just too good at being bad.

Samaritan Snare: 5/10 the Pakleds are funny. They make things go.

Up The Long Ladder: 3/10 what's with all the early season stereotypes?

Manhunt: 5/10 ehh. Hey Lwaxana was there.

The Emissary: 8/10 duuude K'Ehleyr is so cool!! And her and Worf brooo! I wish she could have been brought back. You know, for more than just a stupid death scene.

Peak Performance: 7/10 I love it when Data kicks ass.

Shades If Gray: 2/10 bye bye Pulaski.

Season 7 is still better.
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Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 9:17pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S1: The Last Outpost

This episode really was boring wasn't it? I always hated the the Ferengi *until Quark came along* so the whole time I just so wanted Picard to turn off that dang view screen.

Also it is pretty ridiculous and somewhat disrespectful a joke to say that Data can't find his way out of a finger trap. Nonetheless it was a cute little moment but only because every other moment was pure agony. And my goodness has anyone else noticed just how red Brent Spiner's eyes were in S1?? They always looked a little irritated by the contacts, but they're bad here and worse in Justice.

Also official ratings for S1:

Encounter At Farpoint: 6or7/10 it wasn't a perfect pilot by any means but I thought it was cute.

The Naked Now: 4/10 I had no idea what kind if perverted thoughts plaqued the crews minds.

Code Of Honor: 1/10 bro I didn't even know where to begin.

The Last Outpost: 3/10 just narrowly beating out Naked because at least it was amusing to see them trying to keep from tripping over their own feet.

Where No One Has gone Before: 5/10 it had its moments.

Lonely Among Us: 4/10 Data as Sherlock Holmes. That's all.

Justice: 2/10 oh wow.

The Battle: 4/10 more Ferengi. And whatever else was happening.

Hide And Q: 7/10 finally a halfway decent episode. Man Q is HILARIOUS.

Haven: 5/10 Majel Barret is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen.

The Big Goodbye: 8/10 it started the endless parade of holodeck madness to come. But it was a darn good episode.

Datalore: 8/10 it introduced Lore. ^-^

Angel One: 2/10 okay I'm fed up now.

11001001: 6or7/10 it was Riker centric and a bit confusing but good compared to the rest of the season.

Too Short A Season: 2/10 someone kill me.

When The Bough Breaks: 3/10 ugh.

Home Soil: 6/10 decent.

Coming Of Age: 4/10 I dont understand the praise of this episode it's Wesley centric for Q's sake.

Heart Of Glory: 5/10 so this is where all the mighty Klingon episodes began. Worf is really good tho.

Arsenal Of Freedom: 6/10 I was honestly astonished.

Symbiosis: 3/10 after school special.

Skin of Evil: 6/10 I never liked Tasha but this seemed a bit much. Although the creepiness of it all was interesting.

We'll Always Have Paris: 5/10 it loses points because Data uses a contraction. Plus it's dull.

Conspiracy: 7/10 duuude total creep factor.

The Neautral Zone: 6/10 decent.

Over all I'd much rather watch S7. It's times like this I'm so glad I watched them out of order. Now off to season 2.
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Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 11:52pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S7: Masks

Masks is a generally underrated episode IMO. I really don't get what all the fuss is about, I didn't find it boring at all, in fact it was actually kind of exciting because it was so odd and exotic. But I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed a lot of S7. I feel the urge to rank this season's episodes real quick based on my personal opinion. *which to be honest usually defers from most*:)

Descent: 7/10 it had Lore in it. ^-^

Liaisons: 3/10 it was pretty dull.

Interface: 5/10 hey it's a Geordi episode where he's not fumbling over some chic.

Gambit: 6/10 I've never been a big Riker fan but the episode holds it's own. *episodes that is*

Phantasms: 8/10 it's creepy in all the right ways and was a weird change from normal.

Dark Page: 5/10 unlike most I'm a Lwaxana fan because I love Majel Barret and this was a somewhat interesting turn to see her character take.

Attached: 4/10 for some reason I strongly ship Picard/Beverly even though there seems to be an age difference there. That said, I didn't need an entire episode about it.

Force Of Nature: 3/10 painfully boring the only redeeming quality being the Spot B-plot.

Inheritance: 8/10 it gave us more insight into Data's background and family which I thought was cool. All he was missing was a mother.

Parallels: 8/10 awesome episode with some very interesting possibilities explored. I wish we could have seen more alternate realities.

The Pegasus: 5/10 like I said Riker episoded don't normally do anything for me. And how many evil admirals are in Starfleet?!

Homeward: 3/10 everyone in this one seems like a total dick because they refuse to help the dying species from finding a new home until they're backed into a corner and forced to. Lame.

Sub Rosa: 2/10 the only reason I give this one 2 is because I usually like the attempts at a darker atmosphere like Phantasms. This failed miserably however.

Lower Decks: 6or7/10 now before you send me hate mail let me explain that I'm just not a big fan of focusing more on random side characters. Most side characters are great, and I would have liked an episode about them, but most of the characters here are people we haven't even met and will never see again. I read a lot of Trek novels and whenever they focus all on a random OC more than the crew it makes it really dull for me. Apologies.

Thine Own Self: 8/10 I didn't expect an episode like this and it was pretty intriguing. Plus, Data. ;) although the B-plot with Deanna was dreadful.

Masks: 6/10 I don't know, I found it compelling because I wanted to see where it was going.

Eye Of The Beholder: 4/10 I think it's safe to say that Deanna is my least favorite character on TNG. Just beating out Riker because at least Jonathan Frakes is a good actor. :(

Genesis: 5/10 as ridiculous as it is, I have a soft spot for it. It's fun to see the crew turn into weird animal people. I think. Kinda. 4/10

Journey's End: 3/10 UGH WesleyBoyWonder is back. Yay.

Firstborn: 4/10 Klingon stuff has always confused me. I couldn't keep up anymore on DS9. But poor little Alexander tries so hard. And I like Worf.

Bloodlines: 3/10 this was just a confusing mess. But hey nice humanizing moment for Piacrd. Kind of.

Emergence: 7/10 yet another episode I enjoyed better than most fans. It was just really fun and thrown out there which I thought was compelling.

Preemptive Strike: 5/10 I didn't feel this was a suitable ending for Ro Laren at all. I really liked her and hated to see her leave especially under these circumstances. And it started the whole Maquis thing that would be done to death.

All Good Things...: 9/10 an instant classic. All Data's cats.

Over all not a bad season IMO, just underrated and underdone in some areas.

Plus I love when the talented Brent Spiner gets to strut his stuff. He's never as good as when he's Data, but that's because Data is a cosmic role beyond all roles.
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Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 10:02pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S1: Lonely Among Us

I didn't watch this show when it first aired on TV, *having not been born yet :)* but when I finally starting watching it, I saw most of the seasons somewhat out of order, so I already knew about Data's fascination with Sherlock Holmes and was so excited when I realized this was where it all began. I couldn't help but yell at my TV *yes! You will love him! Read the books!!* but then everyone was kinda rude to him about it. Yet another lame thing about S1 is just how mean they all were to Data most of the time. Of course everyone had such an attitude back then. Which really shows in this episode especially with the alien delegates. Sure they were kind of a nuisance but they were being considered for Federation membership.

All in all a pretty forgettable and dull episode. And what was with the ending? "Sir, one of the aliens was just brutally murdered, but that can wait, after all what's more important than mooning over the captain?" And why does Denise Crosby always sound like a teenage girl on the verge of blushing? *except in those moments where she's yelling about how mad she is. Sheesh.*
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Lizzy DataLover
Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:29pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S5: The Inner Light

@Peter G.

Thank you for your thoughts I believe they have given me a better perspective on the matter. I just always thought it was like he had literally just experienced a thirty year gap from his regular life and would have a hard time readjusting to the Enterprise. And then I thought about all the future episodes where someone mentions a past event from a previous season and laughed to myself, thinking (as Picard) "oh, you mean the Farpoint mission? Oh sure! It's been three decades, but I definitely have a very clear memory of that day." But your explanation makes more sense.
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Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:54pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S5: The Inner Light

I'm just gonna come out and say it, I never loved this episode as much as everyone else seems to. Don't get me wrong, I understand the appeal and it is a good episode, I was just never a huge Picard fan. But mostly the problem for me was that there's this plot hole type thing which has always bothered me. Allow me to explain:

When Captain Picard wakes up from his journey, everyone tells him what happened and he explains what he experienced and all is well correct? But my problem is... how in the world does he still remember these people?? I know they're his friends and they've served together for a while now, but remember, he spent 30 years on that planet. I know it hasn't actually been that long, but for him it has. He's just woken up from a literal lifetime of experiences and he's like "oh hey everybody, it's nice to see you all again. Welp, I'm off to play my new flute." When he really should have been like "oh, where am I? *gasp* Beverly? Beverly Crusher is it really you? You're just as beautiful as all those years ago. *gasp* NUMBER ONE! it's been so long! Such a good officer.. *gasp* DATA! my old friend! You're even more human than I remember." *looks around for a good ten minutes absorbing everything* "I'm finally home.." Seriously this was just odd to me. I mean come on dude it's been 30 YEARS and he acts like he just woke up from a freaking nap! *which he did, but again, he doesn't know that.* It would be like trying to remember all your old high school friends from back in the day. He'd have the whole nostalgia feelin' going on. I don't know. This has just always bothered me. You'd think Starfleet would at least have him go thru some tests or something to make sure he still remembers what everything is and what it does. But this is just my honest opinion.

All in all a good episode and I don't mean to stomp on it, I just hate plot holes as much as every other true fan. Please forgive. :)

Also I read Luke's comments from years ago and I have to sort of agree with some of the things he said. It really would have better if they had just asked Picard if he wanted to experience that life. But whatever. And I didn't read all the other comments *coz there are a lot* but if someone has already addressed the issue I brought up earlier then I'll be sure to ponder their thoughts. Thank you for not hating me. ^-^
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Sun, May 19, 2019, 11:04pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S7: Parallels

Also them blue eyes on Data. Lol. ^-^
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Lizzy DataLover
Sun, May 19, 2019, 11:00pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S7: Parallels

A universe where Guinan is captain of the Enterprise, Geordi and Data are a couple, Tasha Yar lived thru Armus only to be killed by Nagilum, (sparing poor Mr. Innocent Redshirt) Picard married Beverly and had to *shudder* adopt Wesley, using a holoemitter like the Doctor's they brought Minuet off the holodeck and she and Riker are in their own jazz band, Data dyed his hair mint blue for a new look, Deanna is SUPER modest and always wears very heavy sweaters, Wesley had a *not so accidental* accident and now he's paralyzed in a wheelchair, Worf and K'ehleyr are married with eight children, ect, ect.
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Lizzy DataLover
Sun, May 19, 2019, 9:47pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S7: Force of Nature

A rather dull episode. But being a HUGE Data fangirl, I enjoyed the filler with him trying to train Spot the transgender cat.

"Geordi, I cannot stun my cat." Lol!!
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Lizzy DataLover
Sun, May 19, 2019, 2:24pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: Elementary, Dear Data


Yes, they were trying to recreate the Bones/Spock dynamic but for me they failed miserably.

And as I told Booming, even if Data can't be hurt on the same emotional level as we can, that certainly doesn't give Pulaski the right to disrespect him so much. And besides, I think we've seen time and again that Data sometimes can be wounded, maybe not entirely in the same way, but enough to where being looked at as a mere machine is unpleasant and not something he enjoys contemplating. I tend to defend him passionately on this issue mainly because he was a good person, and did not deserve the unfair treatment he received from Pulaski.

That is why I very much prefer Beverly, despite being so underused in storytelling it wasn't even funny. But to me, Pulaski was the bland one, because all I got from her character was prejudice and stubbornness which I didn't enjoy watching.
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Lizzy DataLover
Sun, May 19, 2019, 2:54am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: Elementary, Dear Data


Ah, we meet again. I do apologize for my potty mouth but you know how passionate I become.

Also dude even if Data doesn't have emotions, (which I for one am on the fence about) that doesn't mean it's okay for Pulaski to just stomp all over him! And my point about Moriarty is that if she really doesn't place much value on artifical intelligence then why is she so comfortable around a hologram, rather than an actual, physical being? I just will never understand her.

Which is why I am more than thankful they brought back Dr. Crusher. She may have been underused, but at least she was nice.
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Lizzy DataLover
Sun, May 19, 2019, 1:46am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: Elementary, Dear Data

I enjoyed this episode but ugh. Too much Pulaski. She managed to insult Data at least twenty times within the first ten minutes of the ep. And she was grossly wrong about everything she said too. No, Data would not "short circuit" if he had to solve a real mystery, he does it almost every day when he's on duty. And furthermore, I'd like to point out why Pulaski being on the show longer would not have been very appealing; having her around as a constant hamper on Data's quest for humanity would have ruined every episode involving his arc. He needs friends who encourage him like Geordi or Picard, not this bitch.

Worst part overall:
Pulaski seems perfectly comfortable around Moriarty, the douchebag hologram who kidnapped her; (she actually seemed kinda flirty) and yet she treats Data like shit, the sentient android who is nothing but kind and polite to her, even tho he should be flippin' her off. Ridiculous.

Also, am I the only one who noticed how Geordi sounds like he's got a cold?? Lol
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Lizzy DataLover
Thu, May 16, 2019, 4:46pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: The Child

You are all making very good points I just hate it when people talk crap about Data. He's such a wonderful character, and to me he just seems like such a wonderful person. Every time some dumb jerky extra comes on the show and gives him *that look* I just get soooooooo pissed off. It's like, whhhhyyyyyyyyy????

I know I'm getting emotional here. But I seriously think that there is real potential in who Data is, and what could soon become him in our actual future.

Also is it too late to change my username to Data Got The feels?? Lol
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Lizzy DataLover
Thu, May 16, 2019, 12:00pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: The Child


I do see your point and I'm glad you're on my side. Thank you for defending Data in my absence!!


How dare you call him an "it". How dare you. Hoooow dare you. You're worse than Pulaski. I am no longer going to acknowledge you on this board.

And this is Star Trek man! Anyone can be alive if they want to be! HOPE FOR THE FUTURE!!!!
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Lizzy DataLover
Wed, May 15, 2019, 3:07pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: The Child

Also, commenting on what Chrome said, I would like to say that I do understand how one might be skeptical in this situation, but there is a difference between being skeptical and being flat out disrespectful. Data is an officer, and a darn good one at that, a member of the team, and is considered sentient and even *alive* (as his service record supposedly states) by Starfleet. So going in with a closed mind, but willing to explore his possibilities would have been much more tolerable than the way Pulaski basically snorts at Data and gives him such a holier than thou attitude all the time.

I really just don't appreciate the rude disrespectful and frankly unprofessional manner she presents to him. Always spewing "oh God, not this *thing* again" under her breath constantly. (Although she actually just said it all straight to his face which was far worse.)
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Lizzy DataLover
Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:38pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: The Child


Awesome name by the way. It's true that Data is obviously sentient and sapient based on the way he acts and integrates himself into society and the relationships he has with others. But I for one would like to think he is more than just a self aware collection of circuits and sub processors, and is truly the mechanical equivalent of a living human being with needs and feelings. Okay well I know the feelings part is kind of on shaky ground, but if you've seen all the Data episodes, then you know he's got a lot more going on than he believes. ;)

What's that Data? You say you can't feel anything? Ok sure I believe you. (Wink wink winkity wink)
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Lizzy DataLover
Wed, May 15, 2019, 1:24pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: The Child


I guess I do have to agree with everything you said. *mostly the nice things you said about Data* ;) and perhaps you're right if someone approached me and said they just created sentient artifical life I may want to see for myself. Siri and Alexa *no offense Charles I love them too* are obviously very different from Data and not entirely comparable in this situation, so presenting them may not be as impressive. But if you gave me someone as complex and human like as Data, I may be very well inclined to believe that perhaps there is something to the whole AI thing.

And you're right, we are meant to be on Data's side every step of the way, so I'm obviously more inclined to defend him than I might be in real life. But I have to say, that if the time ever does come when someone out there is able to create a being like him I will be eager to see the potential.

I just love Data so much I cant help but see him for the wonderfully kindhearted man he is! XD
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Lizzy DataLover
Wed, May 15, 2019, 10:13am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: The Child

My vote is also yes Dave. I just hope that I've gotten through to either Thomas or someone out there who doesn't want to believe in the power of Data. I also hope that if he's still listening we can agree to disagree on this one because I will keep fighting for Data until the end so this could go on forever. :)

Star Trek power!!
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Lizzy DataLover
Wed, May 15, 2019, 12:34am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: The Child


You said *if* he is an extremely complicated and intelligent computer. What if he's not? Then what? Is that so hard to believe? You really need to watch The Measure Of A Man. Because in that episode Captain Louvois says that these very questions are meant for saints and philosophers. Although I doubt even they could give us our answer. This is a *big* issue which we may never have the true answer to.

Although being the fighter I am, I would like to add another thing: you also compared Data to a computer that walks and talks and interacts with people without being aware of doing so. But Data is aware. He knows exactly who and what he is. He even aspires and even *desires* to improve himself and become more than whatever he truly is. And the same for his brother Lore, who is, basically, a very complex person with a very complex personality. He even holds malace towards his father for both condemning him to an existence that will always be questioned, *like right now* and for treating him like nothing more than a machine himself, by tearing him apart and leaving him behind. I dont know, sounds pretty alive to me.

You know you remind me a lot of Commander Maddox in that way, but everyone kinda hated that guy's guts so...
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Lizzy DataLover
Tue, May 14, 2019, 11:46pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: The Child

Whoops I meant upgrade not download. :P

But seriously dude why do you think that? Is it so hard to believe that maybe life is more than just being born flesh and blood? Giving Data the title of 'living status' does not mean that we, by comparison are anything less. In fact by inviting the possibility of Data being more than he supposedly is, actually means life is even more than just what you're made out of. Why should only organic beings be allowed to have life? I'm not saying that any old tricorder is alive and sentient, *although ya never know*;) I'm saying that if Data, a being with a positronic brain of all things, can be truly alive, then that means that life *is* more than just an arrangement of molecules and is something far greater, something much more mystical than we'll ever know.

And one more thing; Star Trek is a show about life and all its different forms, and exploring and learning to understand those different forms. So if this is truly how you believe then I question why you watch it.
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