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Sam Mickle
Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 1:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: The Host

Everyone is thinking way too hard about this episode. It was about the most simple issue that everyone seems to overlook in this episode. Penis size. Don't believe me? ok think about this. Odan must have had THE BIG ONE. So he dies right and the host swap out happens. Then oh look Riker is the new host. Well guess what? Bev is his doctor so guess what she knows? That's right his peepee size. And then at the end of the episode that lady doesn't have one at all. Bet that makes you think huh.
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I.D. Kline
Mon, May 6, 2019, 9:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: What You Leave Behind

Thank god, the end of "Star Trek: Days of Our Lives"...
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Spockless
Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 2:19am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

@GG what makes you waver are the things that I love. Instead of just merely being a paragon of near perfect virtue, there is a little Ed in all of us. He will more easily make tough moral calls and have a tough time worried about manners, names and whether they will "screw this up." What middle aged man still has that 10th grader inside of them wanting to break out? His sense of "aw golly" humor is so refreshing after watching hundreds of hours of star Trek reruns . Also people are so eager for it to do it's own thing.. it is.. And usually the people that say that are the ones that don't mind that every other property, even superhero films, banks on nostalgia. What makes Orville so great isn't a need to be original, but to retell stories from twenty years ago with a slightly fresh take.. because there is nothing wrong with those kinds of stories, and no one ELSe is telling them, and what makes it SO great are the subtle differences and nuances.. the fact that you think you know what episode you are getting, and you may be right, but the small details are what surprise you.
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Spockless
Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 8:56pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

@Gerontius I meant to write that's what the show HAS..

I must have gotten my pasting of my own posts wrong.. i probably was pasting something about Discovery.. uhg
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Spockless
Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 8:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

@Robert H "And the biggest caveat: in the previous episode (Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow), knowing that Past Kelly could contaminate the timeline with knowledge from the present, they should have locked her up in a room and not say anything, apart from explaining she came to the future. And don't let her interact with Ed and Present Kelly. That is just common sense, even if there is no prime time directive. (But then there would not have been this and the previous episodes I guess.)"

Uh the episode made it clear that they were not sure which time travel theory was going on .. and after some time they agreed that her presence would not affect the timeline. That they were wrong about that doesn't change the fact that they considered it for a time
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Spockless
Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 5:32pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

I take comfort in the show redoing old stories and giving them a new fresh bit of paint.. I like having a beer and being already generally familiar with the trops... that way sometimes the best surprises are the more subtle ones rather than any big ones. And the last time a long loved franchise tried to blatantly "subvert our expectations" we wound up getting a film that was tone-deaf about what the franchise was about. The fact that this episode felt like a lot of alternate timeline episodes of 90's Trek.. mixed in the with DS9 mirror universe episodes.. was something I really liked. I'm having too much fun with Seth's take on Trek I'm in no hurry for the Orville to be radically different just because people are never satisfied.
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Spockless
Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 5:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

@Galadriel.. what the show lacks are likeable characters, fresh humor that pokes fun at the conventions of Trek but still has affection, steady, simple camera work, awesome production design.. and most of all.. a soul
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i.d.kline
Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 11:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S4: Home

I, for one, would love to debrief T’Pol.
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Spockless
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 5:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow

I think repeating stories is genius.. feels like a "new rerun".. we have watched these episodes over and over, but now they are redoing them with 20 years of hindsight, to make changes that make them more interesting.
that is what is secretly brilliant. It's more surprising when the DO go off script. I often find that modern shows and films that are in established franchises often try too hard top be different, but what ends up happenign is that tstiories don't work, they seem more hackneyed, more contrived and more convoluted. Discovery is just one example.. Last Jedi is another. Seth knows that hsi series has to lay the groundwork.. that he has to build off something. and he can employ the lessons he an d his staff learned form years of TNG and the years that passed between then and now. His commentary track on "Cause and Effect" predicted his vision for the Orville without mentioning it by name
People say the latest episode is just another take on Second Chances.. and it IS, but it also focuses on the Ed - Kelly relationship and its importance to the story, and it also focuses on the flaws and shortcomings of both characters within the framework that Second Chances already laid out
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Spockless
Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 10:12am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow

More than anything, this show is about relationships.. and the main relationship was always Ed and Kelly. I think true fans of the show will like this episode because the those two characters were forced to re-evaluate a lot because of the science fiction gimmick used here. I think this was a near point exploration of what the point of the series is!
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I.D.Kline
Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 5:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Homestead

For being a character with "no adequate purpose", Neelix sure seems to have taken up a lot of screen time in a lot of episodes. No wonder Beltran was pissed at the lack of development of Chakotay.
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Spockless
Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 7:54pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

So the whole last episode was S31 managing to acquire more than half of the sphere data from discovery and having it downloaded to their ship.. yet...

This episode starts with Saru saying "we have determined that sphere archive could not be removed or deleted form this [Discovery] ship"
\This is why Discovery fails. WRITe CONSISTENT STORIES.. otherwise there is no drama and no investment
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Spockless
Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 5:00am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Perpetual Infinity

watching that episode was like watching and listening to a helium balloon deflate in slow motion, as well as whatever I might have had invested in the "story" .. and next week's episode looks worse. They might have done themselves a favor and followed Orville's lead and took two weeks off
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I.D. Kline
Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 5:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Repression

TUVOK: "I was tending to my duties."

Cringe-worthy dialogue, that.
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Spockless
Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 11:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Lasting Impressions

@sc and others who want more sci fi .. I'll remind you that this show is aBOUT relationships. It's in one of the taglines. He is interested in exploring relationships, romances and the life of having a temp job on a ship.. that's his angle.. you want more sci fi or lasers, you might have to wait.
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Spockless
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 11:32am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Lasting Impressions

@Lynos

One of the Orville slogans I saw on a poster or banner somewhere went something like "in 400 years there have been lots of changes in technology. Relationships: not so much" This show isn't about the tech, or even the ray guns. this is a show about relationships. And the computer recognized the device because LaMar had already hooked it up. Anyway.. I was a bit taken by the fact that the crew already uses a lot of colloquialisms we have today (Gordon even speaks of Manwhich and American Idol in "Majority Rule that constitutes his only dialogue in that episode) yet everything in the phone seems really foreign to them (and where is the internet?) Yet because the story was so sound, none of that mattered.
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Spockless
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 2:04am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Lasting Impressions

@Kat

i thought of that too, and I am sure they were tempted to have ti that the photo taken at the end of the episode was always on the phone.. just like Picard knowing how to play the flute. Tempting, fascinating, but I'm glad Seth resisted the urge to go there.

I loved this episode. I got so much out of it that I'm in tears thinking about how it moved me. Simple, elegant, and perfect
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Spockless
Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 10:13am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Lasting Impressions

I was under the impression that Disney doesn't have all of Fox's assets, that Fox still exists as a broadcasting network, so maybe the Orville still falls under that umbrella. All I DO know is that this show makes me happy
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Spockless
Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 10:02am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Lasting Impressions

I loved it! LOVED it. I'm glad they didn't do the Yesterday's Enterprise twist and have the picture at the end of the episode actually be on the phone
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I.D. Kline
Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 10:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Fury

Any episode featuring Kes gets an automatic two-star reduction in my view. Perhaps the biggest "who gives a feck" character in the Trek universe.
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Spockless
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 8:03pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Blood of Patriots

@Trent
You are so right about "Birthday Cake" This kind of mentality has snuck into social media as well and represents everything I hate about our reactionary YouTube/ Facebook culture .. it seems you can sit there twiddling your thumbs doing nothing, but people out there can create a group that they hate.. slap a label on that group, so it has a name, put YOU in that group, and then make general statements why they don't like you when they are in fact making statements about the group they hate, which they actually created . And yes the word "haters" counts.. anyone who hates TLJ or Captain Marvel are called "haters" and then those people now have a group label for it that they can generalize
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Spockless
Sat, Mar 9, 2019, 11:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Blood of Patriots

@Erik

I think it can be both a comedy yet tell (or re-tell) old Trek stories in a way that 20's years of reflection cna offer and the humor pokes fun at Trek conventions but the drama can still be there. I think it's a great way to approach nostalgia.. whereas other franchises bring back old characters to risk ruining them (Spock, Luke skywalker, Superman, Optimus Prime) this looks and feels like 90s Trek so very much, yet the canon is clear.

Also I agree "Krill" is my favorite episode .. it really gelled
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Spockless
Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 8:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Blood of Patriots

@Yanks

I'm the opposite. It's very rare that I'll watch a Discovery episodde more than once, yet I love the Orville, from the professionalism to how it';s shot, to the way it really builds the characters. Discovery is so interested in style, that tehy will show a door at a 90 degree angle so that it looks like a hatch before straightening the cmaera.. and many of the decisions made by characters have the logic of Wile E Coyote episode.. and how the episodes are strung together .. you just have to say "if you say so" to the writers.

The orville on the otehr hand is a throwback to 90's style Trek storytelling. Not every episode is going to knock our socks off, but tehy will give us something to think about. In particular, with this episode, I was really trying to figure out how Mercer kept his cool.. as he hada lot on his plate..the specific's of Orin's plan really wasn't the point.. the point was that Mercer had to do his duty and yet it caused conflict between he and Gordon. Maybe the script could have leaned into that just a bit more, but in the end I was good with it.

The "boarding regulations" seemed a bit off in its humor I will agree. Plus the twelve hour deadline both seemed arbitrary and we had no idea how much time was passing until the last 30 minutes..


The script could have used once more polish, but I liked that it gave us a conflicted Ed, a conflicted Gordon, and a villain that seemed to be having consistent with his story. And the story had a certain logic to it. One thing I like about the Orville is that it IS predictable.. instead of "subverting our expectations" (we all all know how it can ruin something when you try that), it gives us the comfort food of Trek's history..
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Spockless
Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 1:22am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: If Memory Serves

WTH episode was that... the teaser is all kinds of WTF
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Spockless
Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 5:14am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

Sure I could pick apart this episode's conveniences.. but it won't matter.. I love it the way it is.
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