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John Harmon
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 8:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

“A fair number of plot holes, but that doesn't matter, the whole episode worked well.”

That is a wild sentence...
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John
Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 7:23pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

Jason R. - The show is about Picard because next episode this Picard will be revealed to be an android, with the real Picard being held captive on the planet with 8 suns, because the fake Picard was planted in order for him to lead the Romulans to Soji's home planet so it can be destroyed, even though it's only a tiny commune and there are probably millions of other AIs in the universe there's the Destroyer there so we need 250 ships! But don't worry, Kurtzman knows what he's doing.
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John Harmon
Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 5:58pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

@Lynos is completely right. The entire Borg cube side plot was pointless. Was it a legit operation hijacked by the bad guys or was it all a front to draw Soji in? Who knows? Where did all the workers go? The show has not told us and we know will not either.

It’s another symptom of Kurtzman Trek. He expects the audience to forget about things like that. He hopes the fast pace and explosions and melodrama will be enough to distract people into FEELING in the moment because that’s all that matters, feeling something in that moment rather than having a story that makes sense. It’s why you can have one scene deliberately contradict the previous one or even one sentence contradict the previous one.

What happened before doesn’t matter at all. With Kurtzman what happens RIGHT NOW is all that matters and it doesn’t matter if that moment is forgotten or contradicted later. It’s exactly how both seasons of discovery were made as well. Full of dropped story threads and gaping plot holes. It’s incredibly depressing that he keeps doing it and so many people are ok with it.
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John Harmon
Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 4:34am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

@Lynos except even with a novel, each chapter has to make sense and be engaging and move the plot along logically.

A writer can’t say “I know this all seems like nonsense, but trust me everything will retroactively make sense in the final chapter.” Because that’s an insane and frustrating way to construct a story.
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John Harmon
Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 10:54pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

@Drea saying Data and Lore were twins is a huge retcon. Data and Lore were different from one another, same as B-4. They were made separately. Soong learned mistakes from each model to improve until he got to Data.
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John Harmon
Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

@Marvin absolutely this entire season could be reduced to a 3 part episode, with plenty of the season left for other adventures.

The reason it’s not is laziness. Why waste multiple ideas on one season, when you can stretch one single idea over 10 episodes and you get to save other ideas for future seasons. That way you don’t have to try as hard.
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John Harmon
Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:12pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

More personal attacks against people who criticize these new shows. If you’re a fan of the show, go ahead, but don’t attack someone for not liking it. I never see it the other way around.

The show is poorly made and I’m sorry if you don’t notice the gaping plot holes and dropped story threads that plague everything Kurtzman puts his fingerprints on.
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John Harmon
Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

Are we ever going to get an explanation for why these androids have to be made in pairs? It seemed like a huge deal early on. Was the only reason that was established so they could immediately kill off one of them and then have the “shocking” reveal of the other one? I can’t think of another reason.

I’ve seen people cite Data/Lore as the reason, but Data and Lore weren’t made in a pair. They’re not twins. They were made and developed separately, one assumes possibly years apart. Surely the writers/producers aren’t using Data and Lore as the basis for this. I guess it wouldn’t surprise me that they’d base a major part of their series on something they don’t understand about classic Trek.

I’m guessing this will never be explained and it will be one of those famous Kurtzman plot holes where he expects all the action and noise to make the audience forget about anything that makes no sense.
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John Harmon
Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 2:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

I gave up on this show a long time ago, but I guessed at the beginning that no matter what the season would end with a giant multi faction mind-numbing space battle just like discovery season 2. Because Alex Kurtzman is a hack. Sounds like that’s where it’s headed.

I’ve never played Mass Effect, but after hearing so many people talk about how similar this show is to it, I looked it up and yeah...it seems to be a blatant ripoff. Not even an homage or similar premise, but almost seems like a lawsuit worthy ripoff of that story. It’s shameful. And it seems like they’re taking a lot from ME3, the one people hated. So good for them.
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John Harmon
Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 5:16am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Broken Pieces

Glad to hear you’re safe Jammer.
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John
Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 5:03pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

Wow people still discussing this episode to this day.

I actually find it a good litmus test for whether people see the world in monochrome or shades of grey, idealism or pragmatism, shoulds or ares. I do also think one side are a little sanctimonious but I dont want a flame war.

It's like this. Tuvix was a usurper. Yes, he had a right to live, but so did Tuvok and Neelix. For me, arguments of well, they died and it's sad but now Tuvix lives and no one has a right to take his life away, don't cut it for me, and I'll tell you why.

Tuvix's life was disputed territory, and as others have said, no easy answers exist here, but the solution is not necessarily a question based solely on morality. In an awful situation, sometimes the least awful action is the correct one. Do nothing, two men remain dead. Do something, one man dies so two can live, separately.

You see it's not just a question of life, its potential, it's possessions, it is everything Neelix and Tuvok could ever have (wives, families) and everything they could ever be or do (in Tuvoks case, get home). Tuvix would usurp these possessions for himself, but despite his joined consciousness, they are not his.

He becomes afraid when reality sets in and insists on his survival imperative, but he has, unintentionally, stolen two lives, potentials, existences. If he fundamentally IS, then Tuvok and Neelix fundamentally are NOT. And if they are not what they have, possess and are, is lost.

Janeway sees what is the solution, the lesser of two evils, two lives for one. And so do the crew. Tuvix, bless him, is an aberration. One with rights, but one that usurped what Tuvok and Neelix had and his actions are selfish.

Janeway does something heroic, in a very awful way. She takes the guilt and the culpability of the crew and makes it entirely her own. Once Neelix widow Kes goes to her, her mind is made up. Something is wrong and it must be made right. And she looked Tuvix in the eye when she did it. I was never more proud of her.
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John Harmon
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 8:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S2: Black Market

I can’t help but think that Zarek’s “utopian fantasy” line was a dig at Star Trek.
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John Harmon
Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 4:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Nepenthe

So synths will destroy the entire galaxy. You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. They’re doing this shit again. How many times can they recycle “thing will destroy the entire galaxy”? Seriously, they just did that with Discovery season 2. Technology will destroy the galaxy.

I was really hoping, in vain it seems, that Picard wouldn’t do the same thing as Kurtzman a Trek before and have it all culminate in something threatening THE ENTIRE GALAXY but here we are. No doubt the finale will end with an overblown space battle and then a cliffhanger that leans heavy on nostalgia to trick people into coming back. My guess is it will be Q.
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John Harmon
Sun, Mar 1, 2020, 8:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The Impossible Box

Happy 25th anniversary Jammer! It’s so cool you’ve kept this up throughout the years. Congrats.
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John Harmon
Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 6:34pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The Impossible Box

“Another thing nobody mentioned so far (I think). So Soji and Dajh were/are 37 month old? How did Dajh get into school and then accepted into daystrom? How did Soji get whatever references she has as a scientist? Both their biographies had to be constructed and then made so convincing that one could get into the best institute in the Federation and the other on a very sensitive post.”

@Booming the writers were hoping people would forget that. It’s the JJ/Kurtzman way. Nothing matters except what’s happening in that exact moment, whether it makes sense with what came before or what’s to come after. Doesn’t matter. As long as it looks good in the moment.
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John O’Hara
Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 1:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The Impossible Box

I haven’t posted here for a long time.

I’m enjoying this new incarnation of Trek because it reminds me Trek by it’s nature is the challenge to do just that, whilst remaining faithful to what has gone before. So it deserves a wide berth.

I’m enjoying it for what it is and clinging to hope for what it could be. There are some good moments across the episodes aired to date and lots of unrealized character potential. So I keep an open mind.

There have been a few outstanding moments (Seven/Picard dialogue topped only by the outstanding Picard/Hugh reunion) but I’m waiting for that outstanding episode to land. Hope we will see at least one this season.

Peace to all and that you to everyone for all of your views. And thank you to Jammer who started this for us 20 years ago.

LL&P
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John Harmon
Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 2:17am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

“ Picard goes into a preachy rant about "humanity" that is obviously intended to mock the high-faluting speeches Picard gave in TNG. Because that's all he did: Give speeches and then never act, never help those in need. He gave speeches and then went home and felt his job was done. And look at the world that has come out of that mind-set. Look at what the Federation has become.

That's why its so amazing that Annika - who has reclaimed her name and her humanity - listens to his bullshit and then goes back to doing what needs to be done: Taking action. Punishing those who need punishment. Righting wrongs and not letting people get away with their disregard for others.”

What an utterly depressing outlook. Even more depressing is that so many Trek fans seem to agree with it. It’s honestly sickening. No, vigilantism and revenge killing is not, nor has it ever been, the right thing to do. It can be very fun to watch in fiction, but making yourself judge, jury, and executioner makes you a bad person in real life. Judge Dredd is not a “how to” for society, it’s specifically mocking the overly violence obsessed sentiment so many people seem to have.

This notion that speeches and diplomacy have no place in problem solving is legitimately terrifying. More good has been done through sharing ideas and talking than through the barrel of a gun. And to see this kind of violence so gleefully glorified in something with the Star Trek name attached to it and justified as “BADASS” is utterly gut wrenching.
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 4:21am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

“ They, for the most part leave the audience to figure out what the point is, to ask why, and then examine what they are watching to figure out the answer. So its a lot more demanding on the audience”

What are you on, because I want some.
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 1:56am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Wow. Haven’t seen Jammer this worked up in a long time. I couldn’t agree more about this episode and series. They just straight up do not have good writers and show runners working on this thing.
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John Harmon
Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 8:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

“ You cannot keep a fanbase alive over multiple generations solely via nostalgia.”

Oh the irony. That’s exactly what JJ, Kurtzman, CBS, Paramount, whoever have been trying to do for over a decade. That’s why the ‘09 movie was a reboot with the TOS characters, because TOS is still the ultimate most iconic nostalgia well for Trek.

It’s why Discovery is pre TOS and they brought in Spock. It’s why they desperately threw together a Picard series. Star Trek is nothing but nostalgia driven these days
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John Harmon
Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 1:15am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

@Tim C
”I would like to say just how much I personally prefer the way the new shows are geared towards adult viewers. Adults swear, bat'leths stab, people bleed, and the preachy utopia of a well-run Federation starship in peacetime is revealed to be so much self-congratulatory back patting once you move outside of that bubble, something that anybody who has travelled to poorer countries knows today.”

Why are there so many supposed Star Trek fans that are so cynical? You like that they swear and show violent horror movie gore? Seriously? I could understand not minding it, but these things actually make you enjoy the show more? I’m pretty sure the swearing and violence are put there just because they want to show how edgy they can be for the 14 year olds who won’t even care about the show in the first place.

”Eventually, I'm going to want to see a return to a show aboard a happy-go-lucky ship, just for a change of pace”

Yeah that’s never going to happen. It’s all grimdark action dreck and has been since 2009.
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John Harmon
Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 5:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

Remember The Inner Light? Remember how it was about Picard living out the life of someone on a long dead alien planet? And throughout the episode we find out it was their star going nova that killed the planet and they knew about it for years? And this was a society of non space faring people. Their only hope of any kind of lasting was sending that probe into space, which was as advanced as they were technologically.

You absolutely have to suspend all logic or believe that the entirety of the Romulan empire just got really stupid to not be able to tell the sun of their home world was going to go nova.

If they did know about it for years, they could have evacuated everyone from the planet in time without Starfleet (as an aside it bugs me that these writers don’t know the difference between the federation and Starfleet). They could have used ships from the other planets in their empire. Asked the Klingons, paid the Ferengi. Never mind the fact that Starfleet aren’t the only ships in the federation that could have helped them. The federation is made up of over 150 planets. And if it really was only up to Picard for some dumb reason, he could have gathered a non Starfleet force of ships in many different ways to go rescue those Romulans
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 5:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

@Booming I agree. The idea of one great and moral man being able to completely shift an entire society back to the good way of thinking is nonsensical and cartoonish and lazy. It’s something a fan fiction writer would come up with.

Oh wait...
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 2:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

@Bold Helmsman BSG was timeless dialogue as well except for “frak”. They didn’t have anyone use 2000’s slang.
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 1:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

@ Bold Helmsman how is it at all odd the way they spoke in TOS and TNG? They made sure to stay away from contemporary slang that would horribly date the show and had them speak more formally and classically, to keep the dialogue timeless. There’s nothing odd about it.
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