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Jason R.
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

Well in the show's defence there is also Vosh, and Ro in at least one episode.
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Jason R.
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 8:42am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

Riker backs out the instant there's even a whiff that Yuna can't consent wholeheartedly. For Riker it is matter of personal integrity rather than any concern with legalities or even morality, but either way, his behaviour is impeccable even by 2021 standards.

As for whether it's "creepy" I really dislike this word because 1) It is ridiculously subjective and 2) At least some women seem to use it as a catch all to describe *any* unwanted advance, even if consent is respected completely and the man backs off immediately upon being rejected (or realizing consent is in question).
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Jason R.
Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 9:48am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: The Pegasus

One thing I always wondered is why the phasing tech had to be married to a cloaking device. Surely an uncloaked phasing device would be ridiculously useful too. So why was it necessary to scrap the whole project? Does the treaty ban phasing too?
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Jason R.
Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 5:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Q Who

I figure "Q Who" refers to Q's role on the show. If we retcon it so that Q Less precedes Q Who and Qpid doesn't exist then Q Who is the turning point in the series from Q as villainous antagonist to Q as helpful trickster and even mentor. In Q Who we ask: who is Q? And the answer at the end is different than at the beginning.
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Jason R.
Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 5:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S3: Proving Ground

@Peter Andorians like Shran haven't had much contact with humans other than the Enterprise bridge crew and Archer would be the most memorable. So even if in-universe there are buckets of Sri Lankens and Nigerians on the crew, Shran wouldn't be paying much attention to them.

Incidentally, wouldn't most east Asians have somewhat "pink" skin too? Is there a pinkish hue to Chinese / Japanese / Korean skin? I don't know. It is certainly closer to being pink than it is to being black or brown. Don't Asians get pinkish when they are flushed?? If they do then Shran's slur is pretty inclusive of much of humanity.
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Jason R.
Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 1:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S3: Proving Ground

Well in universe, with the exception of Mayweather, every human the Andorians encountered was basically pink or close to that (Hoshi included). I am sure that the Andorians figured out there were variations, but I'm also sure they didn't give a shit because it's a slur. Nobody worries about being offensive or reductive when they use a slur. That's why it's a slur.

I guess it's the fault of the showrunners that so few black or brown people were in the cast - but as a plot point in-universe, it's a pretty ridiculous quibble.

I mean if Archer decided to call the Andorians "smurfskins" is it supposed to be more offensive because unbeknownst to Archer, there are white skinned Andorians? Is that the thing to focus on?
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Jason R.
Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 12:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S3: Proving Ground

TeeBone is offended that the Andorians' derogatory slur for humans isn't PC enough.
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Jason R.
Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 5:36am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: Booby Trap

@Booming haha when I first read the comment stream I thought you were correcting Tish for thinking that WW2 started two years before Pearl Harbor :)
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Jason R.
Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 5:18am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

@Trish it is true that all major religious movements likely started small, with a tiny cult around a single religious figure.

Yet it is fallacious to imagine that this means that any one particular cult is likely to expand into a world-dominating religion.

The way the scientist puts it, you'd think that it was somehow inevitable that this one tiny village would spread the Picard religion to the ends of that world when in fact, the chances of that happening were undoubtedly vanishingly small.
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Jason R.
Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 8:33am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Descent, Part II

@Glom Voyager was where it got to be its worst. In early TNG even throwaway technobabble lines usually referred to some kind of concept rooted in science. Like the stellar core fragment in The Masterpiece Society or Q's suggestion to change the "gravitational constant" of the universe in Q Less. Somebody gave some thought to this in reference to real science.

By Voyager it was all "let's remodulate the neurogenic phase variance of the chiropractic glutons to bring down their shields"!
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Jason R.
Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 6:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Ensigns of Command

@Ben D. The Sheliak look nothing like Armus. Actually I would say they are carbon copies of those rock guys in TOS The Savage Curtain.

And yes they think they are superior- nowhere in the episode is it stated that they outgun a Galaxy Class Starship. And I'd imagine a ship in 3d space could block another by perfectly mirroring its movements to be between it and wherever it is going.

The colonists believed Data because he was obviously an android from Starfleet which they knew about even if they had not been in contact with for ages. They are not primitives on some uncontacted world. They know what the Federation is. Which makes their actions even more ridiculous.
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Jason R.
Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 12:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

@Booming I know - I was just using it as an example of a cutting edge genetic technology that is becoming more common, not suggesting that it specifically could be used to create supermen.

Actually what intrigued me most about the technology was its potential for egg rejuvenation. So if you are a 45 year old woman with "old" eggs who wants to have your own genetic offspring, you swap in a 20 year old's mitochondrial dna and presto you have your dna in a young egg.
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Jason R.
Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 12:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

Sorry Mal looks like I misred your post. I guess we are not disagreeing that this tech is coming soon.
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Jason R.
Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 12:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

@Mal the reason they haven't done it is because the technology is not there yet. No one is breeding Khan supermen - yet.

But it's getting there rapidly. Give it 10 years, 20 tops. It will start in the fertility industry, where egg / sperm donation with genetic testing is extremely common for professional women.

Things like mitochondrial donation (where you combine the mitochondrial dna a donor with the dna of the host mother) are a thing now in certain jurisdictions.

When you think about it, egg / sperm donation is already a form of eugenics. But that's going to be the tip of the iceberg.
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Jason R.
Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 8:51am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

@Booming there are genetic characteristics that are unambiguously negative - Taysachs to use an extreme example. Without researching this, I am sure it is far from the only such example.

Make no mistake - eugenics is coming back in a big way. It won't be called that because that word is radioactive- but that is what it will be.

It will start as weeding out unambiguously terrible things - like Taysachs - and will progress to curing diseases both terrible and perhaps not so terrible and eventually it will end up with straight up enhancements.

I am dubious that much can be done to stop this and moreover, not certain either way if it *should* be stopped. But again, I profess no certainty either way.
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Jason R.
Tue, Jul 13, 2021, 1:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Threshold

@Michael in TOS the warp system did not have any kind of upper limit so they could go Warp 10 or 15 and it didn't mean much except "really fast". By contrast, by TNG it's clear that Warp 10 is unattainable, that it's sone kind of upper speed limit of the universe - so it's all warp 9.7, warp 9.9, warp 9.95.

But then in All Good Things they are claiming to go Warp 13 again.

The best explanation is that the system for describing warp speed changed between TOS and TNG and then again in the alternate future timeline.

My head canon is that Warp 10 is like reaching the speed of light (which is physically impossible according to Einsteinuan physics) *while at warp*.
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Jason R.
Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 1:39pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Turnabout Intruder

"… the execs had accepted the first pilot, female characters could have had a lot more lines that would have been a lot more compelling than "Yes, Doctor" and "Hailing frequencies open."

You forgot "what is--- love?"
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Jason R.
Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 6:13am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Insurrection

@Trish I thought you were going to mention being Locutus.
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Jason R.
Fri, Jul 9, 2021, 7:26am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Survivors

Another point I hadn't even considered is that we literally have no way to even know if there was a crime, other than through Kevin's confession. If the Husnack civilization could even be located, it can't anymore. Is Kevin's confession enough to prove a crime took place?

If I walked into a police station tomorrow and confessed to a murder, but there was no body, no witness, no weapon, no identifiable victim, could I be charged with murder purely on the basis of my confession?

Let's even imagine that the police can rule out me being delusional or having made it up, and all the shrinks say I am 100% lucid and sane.
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Jason R.
Thu, Jul 8, 2021, 7:36pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Survivors

The only way I can make sense of this, in retrospect, is that Kevin's ethics and pacifism were so strict that he was loathe to use *any* violent force, no matter the provocation. So he was futzing around trying to frighten the Husnack away with parlor tricks and illusions and they just bypassed his little game and nuked the planet from orbit before he could react.

Not only was he not ready to use the kind of force that was required to stop them, he simply couldn't fathom the brutality they were capable of and did not anticipate or prepare to counter it.

At that point, holding his dead wife in his arms, and having lived a little too long as a human, he just lost it and poof, bye bye Husnack.

As for punishing him, I'd say Ben might be right on the letter of the law that he could be in Federation jurisdiction but I agree 100% with Picard: what the hell is the point? Deterrence, restitution, incapacitation and rehabilitation are totally inapplicable as there is nothing to deter (how do you deter a god?), no one to give restitution to (the Husnack are dead!), no basis for rehabilitation and incapacitation is meaningless if it's completely voluntary.

Literally the only traditional purpose of criminal law that could conceivably apply is retribution. And even that is iffy because the Federation had nothing to do with the Husnack - they didn't even know the species existed. And the "crime" didn't even take place in the Federation but on the Husnack homeworld, wherever the hell that is.
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Jason R.
Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 12:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Mark of Gideon

"HODIN: The atmosphere on Gideon has always been germ-free."

Ok I am going to point out again that this episode is idiotic and fails both as science fiction and drama. Seriously? Germ free? As in zero micro-organisms?

Unlike Omicron, I think we were all better off *not* talking about this episode.
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Jason R.
Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 9:30am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Mark of Gideon

@Omicron and you have read them?
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Jason R.
Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 8:39am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Mark of Gideon

@Booming

It sounds like you're saying there aren't any better sources.

Which makes me wonder why you are critical of Pedro's reliance on those documents and what alternative sources you believe would be superior.
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Jason R.
Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 7:46am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Mark of Gideon

@Booming

Out of curiosity, if you are trying to ascertain how a past society viewed themselves, what sources would be superior to books, letters, diaries and wills?
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Jason R.
Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 3:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Mark of Gideon

"What happened next, is that people like myself pointed out just how baseless statement #1 is. It was not "dismissed with the wave of a hand", but refuted with actual counter-arguments."

I should point out that several of your statements, such as the claim that a billionaire and a working man have "nothing in common" were self-evidently false and ridiculous even to this layperson.

Pot and kettle indeed.
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