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Jack D
Fri, Nov 4, 2016, 2:34pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: The Plan

I don't think wanting to kill all humans is illogical from the Cylon's POV at all. They consider humans to be evil. As a whole, Cylons aren't seeking the approval of humans or an apology from them. Maybe that is an unexpressed psychological need of some or all, but it isn't at the surface of their thought process. The most straightforward way to interpret their original plan is that they think humans create problems so they don't want there to be humans anymore.

Cavil, specifically, has a more complicated view - he does very much want approval and apologies, not from humans but from the "Final (original) Five."

A few general comments ...

1 - I agree with the multiple comments that some stuff revealed in this movie, such as the fact that Shelly Godfrey was a physical #6 and not a manifestation of Head Six, would have been better left mysterious.

2 - "The plan" itself ran its course in the first day, with the Galactica slipping through the cracks. There was no permanent plan after that, other than to hunt and destroy the Galactica and its civilian fleet - which at times was sidetracked into other temporary goals such as forcing the humans to live in harmony with them on New Caprica.

(On that topic, by the way ... I understand that Caprica Six and Boomer were figuring a lot of stuff out, and represent in many ways an immature society that thinks it has more answers than it actually has ... but even so, wouldn't they realize showing up with a bunch of raiders and centurions, and demanding the surrender of the human government, would create an immediate adversarial relationship? If they were sincere in their hope of living in harmony, why not send one or more envoys, or offer gifts or in some other way demonstrate their sincerity? I would particularly expect Boomer to understand how Adama et al would react to the arrival of an overhwhelming Cylon military force. But, this is technically a nitpick for the season 2 finale, not for The Plan.)

3 - I am glad the show left some stuff, such as the fate of the passengers on the Olympic Carrier, undisclosed.

4 - Overall, I halfway enjoyed watching it. But even as a very dedicated fan, I would be equally happy if it had never been made. I am sure everybody involved was trying to cash in while they still could, and the movie doesn't really hurt the show's legacy, but it's definitely optional.
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Jack D
Wed, Nov 2, 2016, 3:54pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S3: Maelstrom

Great episode on multiple levels (acting, character arcs, series mythology, effects).

I take it literally - I think through some power that transcends space and time, Kara really is back on Caprica talking with her dying mother - not a vision of her or even her ghost or an angel version. One of the great guilts of her life (her mother dying alone) is resolved not psychologically but through some unknown movement.

As a general comment - I see over and over again people who don't like "the metaphysical/religious stuff." With all respect, and very seriously: you should find a different show to watch. It's like watching the NFL while endlessly complaining how you don't like football. Perhaps there are SOME elements of the show you like (low-tech, gritty scifi) and you wish the show was more tilted toward that and less tilted toward other aspects. But, it's not. Posting verbose rants won't change it, never would have, but certainly won't now that the show is complete. The "metaphysical/religious stuff" is a core of the show along with gritty low-tech realism, and always has been. Remove either and it's a different show. It isn't a crutch overall (though of course it's used as a crutch occasionally to speed up storytelling), but is one of the key aspects of the story this show wants to tell.

To the person who said if it's all happened before and will all happen again, why bother ...

Many faiths including mainstream Christianity perceive humans as having free will within a master plan controlled by God. My personal interpretation of what is going on in this series is that God is providing an opportunity for humans to take a step forward; God has probably provided the same opportunity or similar opportunities in the past and they were not fully accomplished; this time it is accomplished (we think) and that is the reason we're watching a show about this iteration and not about the exodus from Kobol or anything else that happened in the show's past.

In other words, life is a crucible or a test or a learning experience. In this show, we see humanity come out of the crucible stronger, or pass the test, or learn important new things (pick your favorite analogy). God is making sure the opportunity is there, but people need to come through.
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Jack D
Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 8:47am (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S3: The Woman King

This is a below average BSG episode, for a variety of reasons. The acting is fine and the specifics of the writing are fine. I side with Helo. I find the villainous doctor to be well-acted.

And the idea of prejudice and a social hierarchy within colonial society is interesting, one that deserves exploration. This is one of the episodes that spends the most time on that topic. I wouldn't want it removed from the series (though I don't think it deserves three stars).

Problems with the episode, in my opinion:

1 - Is it honestly plausible that this sort of bias against other humans would lead to murdering humans? Put yourself in a scenario where the human population is down to 40,000 or so and scrambling to survive as a species. What would lead you to conclude, after careful thought, that it would be a good idea to kill some of those 40,000? If he was refusing to treat sick people because he's hoarding the medicine for people he prefers, that would be at least somewhat understandable, but he is injecting healthy people with something that makes them sick. He isn't conserving anything, at least not in the short term. Perhaps he rationalizes future savings, but that seems a bridge too far IMO to make sense even to a prejudiced person in this scenario.

2 - There are certain episodes in which Adama and/or Roslin suddenly turn stupid or evil to support a plot. It creates a feeling that these episodes were written by a "guest writer" from another show who spent 15 minutes adapting a plot from somewhere else, plugging in BSG names ("I need a stupid slash evil authority figure, let me look up who that would be on this show - Adama?").
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Jack D
Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 10:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S3: Crossroads, Part 2

In fairness, I am reading these comments in 2016 and have seen how the series ends; I have seen the entire series about three times. I won't post any spoilers for those reading these reviews in sequence.

But I see a lot of posts here by people who clearly just don't understand the show at all ... to the point that I wonder why they are watching it, why they are posting about it.

1 - Without getting into spoilers - Starbuck died with the coaxing and reassurance of a "Leoben" who could be realistically thought of as an angel. In that context, Starbuck returning with a path to Earth not only makes sense - it explains why Starbuck died to begin with. I saw someone refer to Starbuck returning with the path to Earth as some bewildering occurrence since she was dead. Hello? She died SO THAT SHE COULD LEAD THEM TO EARTH.

2 - There are lots of assumptions here about "plot holes" pertaining to the Final Five, which are really just people assuming the show won't resolve that stuff. Again, no spoilers, but ... if you give the writers this little credit, why don't you watch something else?

3 - The inclusion of Bob Dylan lyrics is another "plot hole" or "deliberately mysterious" or "nonsensical" item that ... without spoiling anything ... let me just ask, why would you assume the writers do NOT have a plan for this? Why would they include it if they didn't have a plan? Do you think they're sitting around under gas lanterns rubbing their hands together saying "yeah, Bob Dylan lyrics! That's the ticket to huge ratings!" ?

In general - a lot of you guys seem to be pretending you don't realize that religion and divine intervention are a major, serious and integral part of the show. Like you've ignored it all along, coming up with excuses to ignore the numerous hints and plot points based on this, in denial, and now when it can't be denied anymore, you melt down and start talking about how your weird rationalizations don't make sense. Your weird rationalizations never made sense. This episode just exposed that fact.
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Jack D
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 9:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Blood on the Scales

Dyac ... Adama, not Adams. Roslin, not Rolling.
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Jack D
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 9:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Blood on the Scales

@Michael: Your concerns are based in real issues (Adams and Rolling are willing to ignore rules when it suits them), carried to hysterical extremes (do you really think Adams or Roslin have any interest in power for power's sake?).

Also: LEE, of all people, as a future dictator?
STARBUCK, of all people, as a future president?

I can only assume that you have spent less time watching the show than you've spent typing comments about it.
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Jack D
Thu, Aug 4, 2016, 4:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Daybreak, Part 2

Dyac -

Adama, not Adams

"Cylon Lee as", not "Cylon Leads"
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Jack D
Thu, Aug 4, 2016, 4:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Daybreak, Part 2

I really like how the series concludes overall. The idea of giving up all technology is a bit silly, but the loss of logic is worthwhile to create the bridge from Galactica to our world today. Had they kept technology, that would have created even bigger issues.

Appropriate, moving endings for most characters.
- Starbuck is at peace. And (pet theory), may have ascended to whatever status Head Six and Head Baltar have. My belief is the "angels" are individuals, human or cylon, who met some threshold in the past the way Kara has during the series.
- Roslin and Adams - wow.
- Lee is free in ways he never could be with Kara, Dee and his father around.
- Baltar, in a way, has had the most profound journey on the show in terms of personal growth. Caprice Six, too.

Anyone distressed about the show's religious aspect wasn't paying attention. It has been there all along, and it pays off immensely.

Now to add a few nitpicks about various episodes and themes. Putting them here because they aren't worth multiple posts under different episodes. I have seen the series all the way through four times, and some stuff emerges that way that you can miss on first viewing.

1 - After Adama says he knows the way to Earth, how come nobody asks any follow-ups at all? Not Tigh, the XO. Not Gaeta, who plots the jumps. Not Baltar, the science expert. They seem to accept it, briefly celebrate, then go about their business as if it is unimportant. I think it would have been a 24/7 obsession for everyone in the fleet. How far is it? Has there been any contact? Do we know for sure they are still alive? Can they send forces to retake our colonies? Etc.
2 - Cylons cannot be distinguished from humans even on thorough medical examination. But, they have super strength and speed, and their spines glow during sex. OK. I suspect Moore regrets some of those early choices they may have felt obliged to make for ratings or promotional reasons.
3 - Assuming all of the Sixes, Sharons and Leobens were rebels, how did Cavil kill all of them except one baseship worth? Aren't there millions of copies? Were there no rebels on the Cylon home world, or if so, were they separately purged?
4 - How is blending human and cylon via Hera going to prevent future cylon enslavement and rebellion, considering that the 13th Tribe was pure cylon, and was wiped out by cylon enslavement and rebellion?

To expand on my pet theory about the "angels," this is what I like to imagine ... But I have no idea if Moore/writers had the same idea.
- Same or similar story arc has occurred not once or twice before, but many times before, dozens, hundreds, maybe thousands.
- The same people have been involved in different incarnations - as Leoben said, maybe he was the interrogator and Starbuck was the prisoner. Maybe Roslin was a doctor or admiral, maybe Lee was a cylon infiltrator.
- Over time, the accumulated stresses or lessons result in one of the incarnations reaching a higher state, or becoming "angels."
- Those angels see long-term patterns and perhaps have an incomplete grasp of a divine plan. They use this knowledge to intervene, manipulating current incarnations toward better outcomes albeit sometimes via short-term pain.

Maybe 100,000 years from now, Angel Starbuck will be using Cylon Leads her catspaw to push the Cylons closer to humanity ... If, that is, the cycle isn't broken. Though I suspect it is, and that is why the show was about this particular set of incarnations and not the dozens or hundreds of others.
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