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brian l
Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 4:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@wolfstar
"The show just wanted to go "look, some gays" without wanting to put any of the work in of showing an actual relationship. That applies to all the straight characters too."

And, sadly, it also applies to everything else in the show as well:
"Look a borg cube."
"Look a murder."
"Look a horrible future event."
"Look a head getting sliced off with a sword."
"Look someone saying fuck."

They treat the audience like an infant, trying to get them to look in the camera. Snap your fingers, make a funny face, maybe they'll look for a few seconds.
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Brian
Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 8:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

“I'm just pointing out a broader dilemma we all face.”

Ah yes, the royal we at work again. Don’t presume you speak for all of us. Or any of us. We can think for ourselves.
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brian l
Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 3:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Daniel
"Raffi and Seven holding hands isn't a big, shocking thing. It isn't "in your face". In a series (and franchise) where people have hooked up with members of the other species--often only shortly after meeting, this is an extremely tame expression of affaction. What it is, is a possible avenue for character development and story building. I'm all for normal, and even subtle depictions instead of showpiece "in-your-face" or "to make a point" kind of depictions."

well here's the problem, it's a token "relationship" thrown in with absolutely no background, no buildup, essentially no story. It's probably the most cliche and lazy thing they could have done. "Hey audience, LOOK at THIS! This is where the former borg who desperately wanted to be normal and human instead turns into a vengeful, murdering alcoholic, and finds solace in another bitter substance user who abandoned her family, and now they can HOLD HANDS. LOOK at them holding hands. Isn't TRUE LOVE so beautiful? Aren't we a great writing team? Look how awesome we are."

They did the same thing with Jurati and Rios. Another "relationship" launched after a random sexual encounter that makes literally no sense, with no buildup, no story, and really, no chemistry between the actors (and how could there be when they had no time to build any).

Look, your missing the point. What the writers are doing, is thinking that they can get away with tossing a relationship up on the screen in the laziest way possible. Any TV series where relationships just "start" at random without any explanation or backstory, comes off like the writers are just lazy, or very young, or both. It's tailor-made for a generation of young people who swipe faces on Tinder. "Relationships" appear and disappear at random, depending on the situation. "Stuck on La Sirena for a few weeks? Aw shucks, I guess we should hold hands."

"It's so deep".

Please...it's not.
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brian l
Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 2:01am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

It had some nice character moments (finally), but the nail in the coffin for me was the "magic device" which is able to create an entire fleet of ships with warp signatures at precisely the moment the plot requires, to give Picard enough time to give his pep talk to Soji. They literally hinged the entire plot and resolution of the season on a magic device that is hand-waived away. I literally burst into laughter and was done with the show in that moment. It was like the writers were subliminally telling us "just use your imagination, pretend this is a good show, just smile and nod."

I also hate what they did to 7of9. Turning her into a confused old lesbian alcoholic vigilante is just asinine, and worse than that is how the writers cannot even figure out how to use her. They just copy-paste her into the script whenever the plot demands it.

All the build up on the borg cube felt like a waste of time they could've used to develop more important characters.

Retconning in a new Soong at the last minute makes it seem like the writers were desperate.

And finally, the division between synths and humans is academic at this point. Soji is basically a human. And now Picard is a synth. And the real synths are a race of extra-dimensional space worms ala Stephen King's "The Langoliers".

Sorry, I'm just not into it. Give me a show where Seven becomes a house-wife in suburbia with kids and then suddenly gets activated again. Give me a show where Picard becomes a xeno-archaeology professor who is obsessed with returning to the dyson sphere and he drags his graduate students into an epic indiana jones style adventure. Give me a show where ANYTHING, PLEASE ANYTHING happens except a retread of the same old science fiction tropes we've been wearing out for decades now.
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ian
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 6:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Cletus: "And good grief at that quick disco teaser, Burnham just saved the galaxy, now she is the lone vanguard in saving the Federation, she is so awesome."

Agreed. They should just get it over with and rename the series, "Michael Burnham" because everything just revolves around her.
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Ian
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 6:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Lynos: "The Enterprise bridge at the end of Discovery S2 looked stunning. It was genuinely a beautiful thing to behold. I wanted a series on that space ship with this crew. Heck, just remake TOS with Pike and Spock."

I wish we had a Christopher Pike series instead of STD. Anson Mount did a fine job in that role.
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Ian
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 11:59am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Regarding the comments above about Sisko and DS9: I'm a big fan of DS9 and like the character of Sisko very much but I agree that it was odd that he was given so much authority during the Dominion War. It would have made sense if he was promoted to Commodore or Admiral during that time. He was treated as such. But it really doesn't bother me. It was a good series.

I wish Picard, the series, did a better job of explaining the post-Dominion War political dynamics between the Federation and the Romulans. I'm also curious about the status between the Dominion and the Alpha Quadrant. Maybe we'll learn a little about this next season.
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Ian
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 11:38am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Angela - "I will watch whatever Trek they throw at me, but I gotta say I was sad that Jean Luc Picard DIED and we weren't really allowed to mourn that beyond a few over-the-top scenes of people we don't know that well crying over him."

Angela, I totally agree! If characters we don't care about and who don't really know Picard all that well are reacting like that over his "death" then people like Worf, Riker, Geordi would have rip their clothes and committed seppuku.
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Brian
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 3:46am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Most of this was terrible with a few very bright moments. Honestly we did not need this much buildup for this. Could have been done in an hour. These characters do not know one another well enough to be best buds the way they are here.

I don't know. I kind of enjoy watching this show (In that "something is better than nothing" way) but it was completely unnecessary to sully the legacy of TNG with this slop. I just sat there not believing they wrote this and made it believing they were making good stuff.
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Ian McDermott
Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 9:06pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Underwhelmed.

I have no idea what season 2 will be like. Perhaps it will be episodic. I hope it will be better. Can we please have a stronger, more assertive Picard?

My favorite part was Picard saying, "Goodbye, Commander" to Data.
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Diana
Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 12:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

Overall I enjoy ST: Picard. Not to say I don't have some quibbles. I would think the EMH would be able to sound an alarm if it sees medical abuse in any form. I found that Jerati being able to dismiss the EMH so handily was just too easy. I find the relationship (sexual) between Rios and Jerati as unimportant and wish the writers had not gone there. Does there always NEED to be a sexual encounter when it is not needed or required? If that was to make me sympathetic to this character, it's not working. I also find the characters casual acceptance of her murder very disconcerting. I find it hard to believe that Jerati is a scientist and the character is not a favorite (she is jarring and grating to me) and not sure if that is how she is supposed to be portrayed. There has to be a suspension of belief, but you would have to be dullard. Overall, I still enjoy it and want it to continue, but I do cringe. I hope the writers step up and write the best Trek they can. First seasons are an exploration and hopefully the next season and/or seasons, will be great! I have hope and that's Star Trek.
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Brian
Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 10:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

@Henson

"We already know that there are godlike aliens in the Trek universe that evolved from “lesser” forms so we know for a fact that organic-synth conflict is not inevitable. Unless the Douwd, Organians, Metrons, Cytherians, etc. just complete anomalies that never developed any AI? And they never bothered to warn any of the less advanced races of the impending synthpocalypse? None of the organics that evolved into energy beings bothered helping other organics avoid it? Were the Organians and Metrons just f’ing with Kirk when they implied that humanity can advance to their level thousands of years in the future?"

Well, there is one more episode to reveal any sort of twist. So far, the Borg are just “there” but they represent a hybrid of synthetic and organic life so they still need to fit in to the overall story somehow besides just conveniently having a Cube for defending the planet.

Plus Commodore Oh. I wonder if she has a long ago past with one Section 31 member named Georgiou.

Anyway, as you brought up the Trek universe has so many “advanced” lifeforms, it’s hard to keep up on all of it. This has to be where Picard gets his mojo back and saves the day. So far there have been fleeting moments but he’s still nowhere near the stature he once was.
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Ian
Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:05am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

@Steinway: "For some reason, the synth colony didn’t really work for me on a world-building level. They all just seemed to be soft of just hanging around that building that seemed pretty small for so many beings. And then nothing else on the whole planet...I just kept saying, what do they DO all day?!"

Same here!

I was expecting a synth homeworld, an actual civilization but instead we see this small, new age, kind of commune yoga outpost that's small enough to board on the ship Picard arrived. Seems like ridiculous overkill that the Romulans are sending 218 warbirds to wipe it out. Though to be fair, they don't know what to expect when they arrive.
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Ian
Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 10:59am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

@William D Wehrs: "Picard says in the newest episode "Anyone who treats me like a dying man, runs the risk of pissing me off." This is something Dr. McCoy would say, not Picard. And I'm sorry but appropriate dialogue for characters matter. It's what gives them an identity and makes them feel real"

Thank you! One of the disappointing things about this series is how "un-Picard" Picard has been. I did not expect him to be the same character he was in TNG but we learned enough to get a good sense of what he would be like in his later years and this is really not it.
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Brian
Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 6:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

At this point, I'm just gonna change my "Wait and see" mindset to "This ain't Trek and this ain't never gonna be Trek and whatever this is, it's also not even good and I'm only gonna keep watching because I've already watched this much of it"

I'm gonna pretend that Patrick Stewart is playing an alternate universe version of Picard where Picard just pops into existence as an old man and doesn't know anything about Star Trek. This Picard also has all the video files of DS9 and Voyager stored in his mind where TNG also doesn't exist. This is mostly Picard taken out of TNG and inserted into everything that came after TNG. Which was also not Star Trek. It was sometimes good and often terrible (Voyager was mostly terrible and ended in exactly the kind of way you'd expect for a show that was a cheap knockoff of Star Trek). At least DS9 was good.

This is Patrick Stewart in space. He barely even knows he used to be Picard. It must be the brain tumor. This show would honestly work just as well without him. Except nobody would be watching it. Which I guess is the only reason he's there.

But hey. This is a show that tried to expand on the idea that Data had to be destroyed because Brent Spiner was tired of playing him. I mean, that's probably what it really was. The idea that androids don't age so he couldn't keep playing him only works if you have the worst writers ever. I guess nobody could think of a plot twist that would make data able to plausibly age. It's not like a Star Trek writer never brought Spock back to life or made alternate universes where Tasha Yar was never killed by an oil slick or anything.

Why don't we just bring Luke Skywalker into the picture now and complete the clusterfuck that is this show?
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Ian
Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 12:26am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

The best thing about season 2 is Anson Mount as Captain Christopher Pike. Makes me wish that instead of Discovery that there was a Christopher Pike Star Trek series.
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Brian L
Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 8:58pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Broken Pieces

@kukalaka
"Aren’t holograms synths too?"

YES. Thank you for bringing this up. Every time someone brings this up, it gets hand-waived away. STP itself completely ignores this problem. I'd like to explore the idea behind this more.

People forget that the fear of AI and synths is really just a proxy for a generalized fear of technology. The overarching theme in most all "dangers of AI" story is that humans start on a path of self-destruction the moment we begin to transcend our biological niche. Humans have been afraid of the changes we ourselves are undergoing for all of human history. That's why we keep on re-telling this doomsday story to ourselves, over and over again. The idea that our technology will one day destroy us has become cliche to the nth degree.

At its root lies fear, and this is the reason why I object to its use in a Star Trek show. Star Trek has always been a show about defying and resisting fear of the unknown, and fear of the future. The reason Trek resonates so deeply with us, is that deep down we all know the only way to avoid destroying ourselves is to to precisely that--to defy and resist fear while going forward. "To boldly go."

And so the best thing a Star Trek show could do, the most defiant and daring thing, would actually be to show us a future where synthetic organisms are widespread and relatively benevolent. A sort of modern-day "Roddenberry's box" for the writers. No "our own tech kills us" scenarios. You have to come up with something better than that.

If ST:Picard ends up giving us a novel, creative take on this story, for example if they end up having the advanced AI save us from some other threat we never anticipated, or god forbid, ourselves, I'd drop my popcorn and give a standing ovation.
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Brian Lear
Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 1:19am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Broken Pieces

Trent, thanks for your perfect explanation for "why we still watch" and what we are hoping for. I didn't realize just how much of a "workplace" show Trek can be. It totally is! But it hides it well. Regardless, I think TOS, and then TNG, showed an entire generation of kids how to work together as a team. I imagine that must have some kind of concrete effect in the real world. Unfortunately, in the real world, people are a little less perfect. And in some ways, I think those shows set us up for massive disappointment when dealing with real people. Still, there is real value to those early lessons, and I think Roddenberry knew that.
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Brian
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 12:36am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Broken Pieces

@Captain Jon
we watch because we love Trek and we want it to be good. We are waiting for it to get good. And if we don't feel like it is cutting it, we say so. We have valid reasons for not liking new Trek series. I have given credit where credit is due, for the odd well written episode, but overall in my opinion, nu-Trek suffers from a deplorable over-reliance on exposition, clunky dialogue, questionable plotting and pacing, and a dependence on slowly unfolding mystery box formats. I believe other series have done the "serialized sci-fi drama" format much better, DS9 and BSG to name two, and they did much better from day one. All told, I've only enjoyed about 10% of the Trek that has come out post-Enterprise. Whereas prior to that, I enjoyed over 70% of it.

And here again, you not so subtly imply that we don't like nu-trek because "its not perfect". Here's a tip, don't do that. I'm an intelligent adult, and I don't toss things in the garbage because they aren't perfect.
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Garymartian
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 6:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Nepenthe

I loved that episode. Probably for nostalgia reasons, but it made me happy. Loving the series in general. Also probably for nostalgia reasons, but it has me hooked, and I’m always looking forward to the next instalment.
I’m mainly a reader on Jammer’s site, but always enjoy the back and forth of the comments.
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Brian
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 8:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Nepenthe

@MidshipmanNorris

Both Riker AND Troi chastize Picard for not understanding Soji. He doesn't mind that Picard is going about this on his own, but he gave him a word of warning about teenagers. Like Tommy D. said, I'm not sure what's so hard about this.
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Brian
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 5:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Nepenthe

As far the arrogance thing goes, Riker was calling Picard arrogant in the context of not being ready to deal with a teenager. That's fairly consistent with Picard not being able to handle Wesley or those kids on the Disaster-Enterprise at first too. Sopan Deb of the NY Times is a basketball reporter, so he's not exactly a big Star Trek aficionado like Jammer or Zack Handlen.

"Come on, jammer. Out with the review, I wanna hear your opinion about the best episode since Enterprises fourth season"

He's out there crusading for Daylight Savings Time. Let the man be!
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Brian L
Sun, Mar 8, 2020, 8:12pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Nepenthe

I really don't understand why a lot of people who didn't like Discovery, now like Picard. I think Picard feels 99% the same as Discovery and I dislike it for all the same reasons.
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Ian
Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 5:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Nepenthe

Best episode so far. Wonderful to see Picard with Riker and Troi again and thankfully this was not mangled by the writers of this current series. Though I do not understand the “classic Picard arrogance” comment made by Riker. Where did that come from?

Questions/Comments:

- Why didn't Elnor do anything to help Hugh and the other XB's while they were being held at gunpoint?

-I'm surprised that Soji hasn't asked more about Data. They couldn't show her a photo of him? There was a great opportunity here for her to learn about Data.

-Shame that Thad had died. Riker would be a great father for a son.
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Ian
Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 4:54pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Nepenthe

I really hate what happened to Hugh. Was hoping we would see more of him.
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