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Thu, Dec 1, 2011, 6:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: No Exit

"I was just re-watching "Razor", and I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, but When we flash back to the first Cylon War, and to the young Bill Adama, we see him try to free several people from a room. no in "No Exit", We learn that Cavil locked all of the Final Five in a room and killed them, once the Cylons decided to end the war.

Is it possible that the people Adama was trying to save were the Final Five? i swear I heard Tyrol's voice yelling for help, and perhaps saw a somewhat younger Sam, and a younger Ellen from the quick shots of them. i think it's entirly possible... Cavil could have come back and killed them after that.

I dunno. It came to mind and I thought I'd ask, not really sure myself. "

No, I don't think this is possible. When Bill Adama found those people, either the treaty had not been signed yet or he didn't yet know about it. The Centurions signed the treaty with the Colonials because the Final Five had reached them and had offered them flesh bodies and ressurection tech if they would stop the war. Therefore, at the time Bill Adama found the trapped people, I don't think there would have been time for the Final Five to create the promised flesh bodies, bring them to maturity, nurture them and allow time for Cavil to become all bitter and twisted and wipe out his brother Sevens - all before the Centurions stopped fighting. I think the Centurions probably stopped fighting first and THEN the FF carried out their promise. That leaves a 40-ish year gap between the First Cylon War and the first appearance of the FF-created humanoid Cylons, which makes sense timewise - plenty of time for Cavil to go all nasty and carry out his plan.

Those people he found - those were just the unfortunate future victims of the Centurion experiments. Also, Cavil killed the Final Five by suffocation. That room did not look airtight.
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Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 3:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Razor

subunit - can answer your last point - Gina can't kill herself because it's a sin against her god. She had hoped the Colonials would kill her and then she'd ressurect - she didn't expect to be kept alive and tortured.

She also didn't expect to fall in love, which she clearly did, which is why she couldn't kill Cain when she got hold of a weapon after her nature was revealed in the CIC. This is one of the problems with Cylons being constructed with human emotions as well as appearances - they can fall in love by accident, like Athena-Eight and Caprica-Six.
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