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Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2
@Booming
I'm not exactly making that point. I am, however, saying that Discovery appears to be geared to what certain producers think a certain demographic wants. Whether or not that tactic has worked is another argument.
I will agree that TNG, DS9, Voyager and even Enterprise were geared to appeal to a wide range of fans. That is not the case with Discovery and that appears to be intentional.
@Booming
I'm not exactly making that point. I am, however, saying that Discovery appears to be geared to what certain producers think a certain demographic wants. Whether or not that tactic has worked is another argument.
I will agree that TNG, DS9, Voyager and even Enterprise were geared to appeal to a wide range of fans. That is not the case with Discovery and that appears to be intentional.
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2
@Mark -- I do believe a lot of hate for this series has to do with the fact that those of us who loved TOS and the 1980s/90s shows are not in the target demographic for Discovery. Frankly, I hate Discovery, but that stands to reason -- I'm simply too old for it as are virtually all of us Generation X types. CBS is marketing to a younger demographic and that's OK.
@Mark -- I do believe a lot of hate for this series has to do with the fact that those of us who loved TOS and the 1980s/90s shows are not in the target demographic for Discovery. Frankly, I hate Discovery, but that stands to reason -- I'm simply too old for it as are virtually all of us Generation X types. CBS is marketing to a younger demographic and that's OK.
Re: DS9 S5: Soldiers of the Empire
@TrekJoy -- I thought the same thing. Then again, I find all of the "Dax plays tough with Klingons" episodes to be ridiculous.
@TrekJoy -- I thought the same thing. Then again, I find all of the "Dax plays tough with Klingons" episodes to be ridiculous.
Re: DSC S2: Brother
Although the CBS app is required in my home (we got rid of cable and Hulu doesn't have a selection of the CBS shows my wife loves), I am now happy to pay for that streaming service.
Why? Discovery sucked last season and is now much improved. Good deal!
Although the CBS app is required in my home (we got rid of cable and Hulu doesn't have a selection of the CBS shows my wife loves), I am now happy to pay for that streaming service.
Why? Discovery sucked last season and is now much improved. Good deal!
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue
"Watching it is kind of riveting, but thinking about afterward it is pretty deflating."
That rather sums up the entire series so far...
"Watching it is kind of riveting, but thinking about afterward it is pretty deflating."
That rather sums up the entire series so far...
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition
@Todd -- what contrast? We had a "mirror universe" guy blend into the Federation quite easily. The point has been made that the mirror universe "savages" were identified immediately upon returning to Prime in TOS because their behavior was so out of bounds.
That wasn't the case at all here, and that is a real problem with this series.
@Todd -- what contrast? We had a "mirror universe" guy blend into the Federation quite easily. The point has been made that the mirror universe "savages" were identified immediately upon returning to Prime in TOS because their behavior was so out of bounds.
That wasn't the case at all here, and that is a real problem with this series.
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition
@Rahul -- good "B story," too. Of course, we can't forget about the torment poor Nog went through in "The Siege of AR-558," either...
@Rahul -- good "B story," too. Of course, we can't forget about the torment poor Nog went through in "The Siege of AR-558," either...
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition
@Gee -- Wow. How could I have forgotten "Treachery, Faith and the Great River?" Great one!
@Gee -- Wow. How could I have forgotten "Treachery, Faith and the Great River?" Great one!
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition
@Rahul -- Yes, those two Ferengi episodes were dreadful and cannot be defended. So, I won't even try.
Honesly, if the Ferengi episodes tended to be more like "The Magnificent Ferengi" and "Little Green Men" than "Profit and Lace" and "Ferengi Love Songs," they wouldn't have such an awful reputation amongst DS9 fans.
@Rahul -- Yes, those two Ferengi episodes were dreadful and cannot be defended. So, I won't even try.
Honesly, if the Ferengi episodes tended to be more like "The Magnificent Ferengi" and "Little Green Men" than "Profit and Lace" and "Ferengi Love Songs," they wouldn't have such an awful reputation amongst DS9 fans.
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition
That's it. I officially hate this show now. It's just shallow, boring, completely predictable and beyond redemption. Phooey on this nonsense. They should have left that glowering, sulking mutineer n the clink and had done with it.
As long as we're ranking captains...
6) Lorca
5) Archer
4) Janeway
3) Picard
2) Sisko
1) Kirk
I may be biased in favor if Sisko because DS9 remains my favorite Star Trek series, of course.
That's it. I officially hate this show now. It's just shallow, boring, completely predictable and beyond redemption. Phooey on this nonsense. They should have left that glowering, sulking mutineer n the clink and had done with it.
As long as we're ranking captains...
6) Lorca
5) Archer
4) Janeway
3) Picard
2) Sisko
1) Kirk
I may be biased in favor if Sisko because DS9 remains my favorite Star Trek series, of course.
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Ian, that's exactly how I feel about Last Jedi. I'm glad I saw it, but I doubt I'll watch it again. Last Jedi didn't rise to the level of suck that those dreadful prequels did, but it was nowhere near as great as the original trilogy. That just leaves us with a very average movie that looked great but is ultimately shallow.
Ian, that's exactly how I feel about Last Jedi. I'm glad I saw it, but I doubt I'll watch it again. Last Jedi didn't rise to the level of suck that those dreadful prequels did, but it was nowhere near as great as the original trilogy. That just leaves us with a very average movie that looked great but is ultimately shallow.
Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go
@Trent -- "cruel and joyless" does sum up this series fairly well. Had this mid-season finale not been so solid, I'm not sure I'd be back for more of this.
I remain hopeful in that I really do want to see a new Star Trek series that is a great one. This particular episode hinted that "Discovery" may become that one day, and perhaps that's good enough for now.
@Trent -- "cruel and joyless" does sum up this series fairly well. Had this mid-season finale not been so solid, I'm not sure I'd be back for more of this.
I remain hopeful in that I really do want to see a new Star Trek series that is a great one. This particular episode hinted that "Discovery" may become that one day, and perhaps that's good enough for now.
Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go
Well, lookie here! The cast and writers jumped off the suck train long enough to deliver a good episode. Will wonders never cease? I'm actually looking forward to what comes next.
Well, lookie here! The cast and writers jumped off the suck train long enough to deliver a good episode. Will wonders never cease? I'm actually looking forward to what comes next.
Re: DSC S1: Lethe
So, it appears a Starfleet captain may have manipulated a situation that resulted in an admiral getting kidnapped by the Klingons? Why? So he can keep his ship?
Wow. That's just awful. Perhaps this thing is set in the mirror universe, after all...
So, it appears a Starfleet captain may have manipulated a situation that resulted in an admiral getting kidnapped by the Klingons? Why? So he can keep his ship?
Wow. That's just awful. Perhaps this thing is set in the mirror universe, after all...
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain
@Peremensoe -- stating that escapism is the opposite of moral courage may be true, but how is that relevant in the least to Discovery? These cats are some of the most morally bankrupt, amoral people we've seen in positions of authority in Starfleet. Again, these folks behave like the jerks that are messing up the 21st century. Who wants that?
@Peremensoe -- stating that escapism is the opposite of moral courage may be true, but how is that relevant in the least to Discovery? These cats are some of the most morally bankrupt, amoral people we've seen in positions of authority in Starfleet. Again, these folks behave like the jerks that are messing up the 21st century. Who wants that?
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain
@William
"Discovery's storytelling is certainly more in line with modern television, but its moral bankruptcy is apparent when held against the standards of the past. Attempts at cloaking those dark choices behind "progressive" casting and representation choices doesn't change the underlying fact that our heroes are less heroic, and we feel the need to describe our enemies as vile to the point of cannibalism."
Bingo! And that sums up the main problems I have with this series. One of the things that makes Star Trek great is that we are presented with a society where a lot of "modern" problems have been effectively addressed and citizens of the Federation are essentially living in paradise. The Federation was presented as an ideal which appealed mightily to the escapist in all of us.
Discovery presents a world that's full of the same self-centered jerks that are making a mess of things here in the good old 21st century. Yuck. Who the hell wants that? It's hard to root for any of these amoral drama queens and, in fact, one of my favorite moments of the whole series came when that self involved engineer broke his nose on a console.
@William
"Discovery's storytelling is certainly more in line with modern television, but its moral bankruptcy is apparent when held against the standards of the past. Attempts at cloaking those dark choices behind "progressive" casting and representation choices doesn't change the underlying fact that our heroes are less heroic, and we feel the need to describe our enemies as vile to the point of cannibalism."
Bingo! And that sums up the main problems I have with this series. One of the things that makes Star Trek great is that we are presented with a society where a lot of "modern" problems have been effectively addressed and citizens of the Federation are essentially living in paradise. The Federation was presented as an ideal which appealed mightily to the escapist in all of us.
Discovery presents a world that's full of the same self-centered jerks that are making a mess of things here in the good old 21st century. Yuck. Who the hell wants that? It's hard to root for any of these amoral drama queens and, in fact, one of my favorite moments of the whole series came when that self involved engineer broke his nose on a console.
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain
@Black Ajah:
Good to hear. Civil discourse is fast becoming a lost art.
@Black Ajah:
Good to hear. Civil discourse is fast becoming a lost art.
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain
@Black Ajah
First off, it was clear from the hype surrounding "Discovery" was going to feature a gay couple. Anyone complaining about it at this point wasn't paying attention. If someone is bothered about that aspect of the show, they are free to simply not subscribe to CBS All Access. Frankly, I don't care whether the series features a gay couple or not, but that's strictly a personal view with which others are free to agree or not.
Meanwhile, this is an open forum. Suggesting someone should unsubscribe and not post because you don't agree with their views is, in itself, offensive. Shouldn't people be able to discuss all of the issues surrounding the program?
@Black Ajah
First off, it was clear from the hype surrounding "Discovery" was going to feature a gay couple. Anyone complaining about it at this point wasn't paying attention. If someone is bothered about that aspect of the show, they are free to simply not subscribe to CBS All Access. Frankly, I don't care whether the series features a gay couple or not, but that's strictly a personal view with which others are free to agree or not.
Meanwhile, this is an open forum. Suggesting someone should unsubscribe and not post because you don't agree with their views is, in itself, offensive. Shouldn't people be able to discuss all of the issues surrounding the program?
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain
This series is becoming entertaining at times, but this Michael character just seems extremely limited. In fact, we can primarily find her doing three things:
1. Following orders when she agrees with them.
2. Disobeying orders when she does not.
3. Glowering at people.
It's telling when the most enjoyable parts of the show are the ones without her in them. And, she's supposed to carry this series?
This series is becoming entertaining at times, but this Michael character just seems extremely limited. In fact, we can primarily find her doing three things:
1. Following orders when she agrees with them.
2. Disobeying orders when she does not.
3. Glowering at people.
It's telling when the most enjoyable parts of the show are the ones without her in them. And, she's supposed to carry this series?
Re: ORV S1: Krill
A very entertaining episode, but they should have toned down the "wacky guys in space" shtick for this one. All the horsing around they did when trying to blend into the Krill crew was just distracting, although I couldn't help but laugh when they identified themselves as "Chris and Devon" to the Krill crew. Still, you've got wonder about the competency of anyone involved in that particular mission when they couldn't even come up with convincing Krill identities.
A very entertaining episode, but they should have toned down the "wacky guys in space" shtick for this one. All the horsing around they did when trying to blend into the Krill crew was just distracting, although I couldn't help but laugh when they identified themselves as "Chris and Devon" to the Krill crew. Still, you've got wonder about the competency of anyone involved in that particular mission when they couldn't even come up with convincing Krill identities.
Re: DSC S1: The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry
"Captain Sisko is great. Avery Brooks the actor... not so much."
What? It was like watching Hawk in space.
"Captain Sisko is great. Avery Brooks the actor... not so much."
What? It was like watching Hawk in space.
Re: DSC S1: The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry
@Jason -- I completely agree. It is really difficult to embrace "Discovery" because the primary character is so dull I find myself wishing she'd just vanish and be replaced by someone interesting. Expecting her to carry an entire series is just asking for too much (rather like centering DS9 around Jadzia Dax).
And, double shame on those who complain about Avery Brooks -- Captain Sisko was just awesome and who couldn't help but root for that guy? He was one of the many reasons DS9 is still my favorite Star Trek series. I doubt you'll ever find fans that enthusiastic about this moping Michael character...
@Jason -- I completely agree. It is really difficult to embrace "Discovery" because the primary character is so dull I find myself wishing she'd just vanish and be replaced by someone interesting. Expecting her to carry an entire series is just asking for too much (rather like centering DS9 around Jadzia Dax).
And, double shame on those who complain about Avery Brooks -- Captain Sisko was just awesome and who couldn't help but root for that guy? He was one of the many reasons DS9 is still my favorite Star Trek series. I doubt you'll ever find fans that enthusiastic about this moping Michael character...
Re: DSC S1: The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry
There's still a major problem with this show -- so far, Voq is a more sympathetic character than anyone in Starfleet. That's a bad sign moving forward...
There's still a major problem with this show -- so far, Voq is a more sympathetic character than anyone in Starfleet. That's a bad sign moving forward...
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