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grumpy_otter
Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:07am (UTC -5)
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story

@Chrome

Oh! Well I'll be looking forward to hearing your responses to them! Apparently, where peoples' reactions to Rogue One divide is based on whether or not they connect to the characters. I did, so I love it. And it has the funniest droid of ANY movie, lol

And about the site -- It's not that it was better, just that there weren't as many active commenters, so conversations moved more slowly. But I am glad it is the way it is--it encourages me to go back and re-read old conversations, and it is fun to see replies continuing to come in to old discussions.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 5:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

@Chrome and William B

Actually, I googled and figured out that the one I saw and thought was bloated and boring was The Dark Knight. I didn't enjoy Ledger's Joker or any of the characters, so I never bothered to watch any more in that series. So I can't speak to the quality of the prequel.

Oh, I'd forgotten that Daniel Craig did Casino Royale--the only one I've seen with him is Skyfall. Oddly--I don't think I've discussed James Bond in ages--today my grandson came over in a suit and explained that he was Bond. James Bond. He saw "Goldeneye" and got hooked, lol

But I was actually over on the Solo: A Star Wars Story board and got an inspiration, so I continued the prequel discussion there. I tagged you in my comment, Chrome. :-)

But the basic idea is that a prequel can be successful if we don't know too much about what it is prequeling. If we know too much, our expectations can be too high.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 10:15am (UTC -5)
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story

@Chrome

So, I realized when I wrote the comment above that you hadn't commented on this review but thought you might wander over some time.

Anyway, while I'm on the topic--do y'all get notifications somewhere when someone tags you like that? I simply go back to my previous comments and then read from there to check for replies.

But I've been on Jammer's site for 12 years (WOW) and it's a lot bigger than it used to be. Used to be easy to find stuff. Now not so much.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 10:08am (UTC -5)
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story

@Chrome

As a continuation of our discussion of "prequels suck" from the TLJ review, I was struck by this line in Jammer's review of Solo -- "They are dutiful back-fillers of character histories we've already been told about or imagined well enough on our own."

I think that's generally the problem with prequels. I loved Rogue One, as you know, and I think part of the reason it worked so well for me is that it was based on one simple fact--we knew that the Death Star plans were in Leia's possession. Beyond that simple fact, we knew nothing. So the creators of that story were free to develop it however they wished.

I enjoyed Solo, and wouldn't mind re-watching it, but I think I agree completely with Jammer about the flaws. We know Han Solo SOOOO well that any prequel is going to be burdened with all our collective imaginings. It was okay, but nothing to write home about.

Now, "Many Bothans died to bring us this information" might make for a good prequel because that's all we know about it. I can imagine a heroic Bothan with a great back story. We never saw a Bothan in the movies, but from a google it looks like they have been depicted in other things and they look awesome.

But on the prequel topic, I am reminded of this absolutely hilarious proposal for an eventual prequel--about that guy in the tower we saw at Yavin IV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVJbmQgt2kc
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 9:09am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: Attack of the Clones

@Davidw

"If only the Game of Thrones people were in charge, you might have gotten a tolerable movie out of it."

I'm sorry, your comment made me laugh and laugh. I am a fan of the books and gave up watching the TV sometime in Season 2 because I got tired of how much was left out and it just felt so flat to me therefore. Though I must admit I did enjoy the online horror after the Red Wedding. Muwhahaha--we book readers all knew it was coming!

But as the series came to a close I thought I'd check in with it again--watched bits here and there, read reviews to catch up with the direction the show had gone, and checked out the finale. And all i have to say is . . . the BELLS.

Do you still think the GoT people would have done a good job? lol

That's not a lol at you--I just think the general consensus is that they butchered the ending.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 7:59am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens

@Jason R.

I just finished answering the responses (including yours) to my recent comment on TLJ, so then had to go check up on what I'd written originally about TFA. And then I realized I never wrote a reaction to Rogue One when I first saw it because I went here and wrote THIS one (you can see above) instead, and then forgot, I guess. And then TLJ sucked all the hope out of me again.

I finally realized something--you may have noticed I am not terribly analytical, lol--I've only seen TFA once, and I didn't feel inspired to comment on it at the time. I didn't feel inspired to comment on it until after I got excited by Rogue One. Looking back more objectively, and now especially after TLJ, I see how lame TFA was. What I said above is still true, to some extent, but looking back at it more clearly, I realized that all TFA did was give me a little glimmer of hope going forward that the prequels were forgotten and we were heading in a good direction. But I had no desire to see it again (with the original Star Wars--it wasn't "Episode IV" then--I saw it 5 or 6 times in theaters) because it wasn't good. But it felt like Star Wars, so it was okay. It was actually my excitement about Rogue One that was buoying me when I wrote the comment above, lol

Anyway, you and I are of one mind on many things--Abrams included.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 6:42am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

@Chrome

You mentioned Batman Begins, Casino Royale, and The Godfather II as evidence that prequels don't suck.

I think I'll trust William B. on this because (say it softly) I haven't seen Batman Begins or Casino Royale. I saw the first Batman with Christian Bale – Batman Beyond? Whatever – and found it bloated and boring. I was amazed it got all the praise it did. So I never bothered to see Batman Begins. And wasn't Casino Royale the funny one with David Niven? I am not expert in that world. But the Godfather II – Ahhhh! I think there is one crucial difference to most prequels – have you read the book? Vito's backstory was all in there already, and left out in the original Godfather for space. So they already had that very-strong script just waiting to be written.

But Wikipedia has a page called “List of Prequels” – take a look at it. There are a few gems in there—a VERY few—but for a film where the original was great, like “Dirty Dancing,” the prequel was just ugh. Maybe I should refine my definition. Maybe a prequel could be great if the original wasn't all that wonderful. But if you have a bar that high to hit, it's hard to not fail miserably. Trying to capture magic in a bottle a second time is difficult.

I won't analyze Star Trek 2009 here except to say I wish they'd come up for a different name for this new series set in space.

@Booming

“You think that Rogue one was the second best Star Wars movie.
Why?? The characters were all the bland and boring.”

I've discovered something through over a decade of participating on this site, watching people argue what the best Star Trek series are—you need characters you connect with to really love a film or series. I don't like DS9. I have tried really hard, but none of the characters clicked with me enough to carry me through episodes I don't like. I love (most of) the characters in Voyager and TNG so much that I can enjoy even weak episodes because I like those people so much.

I really like Jyn Erso. I connected with her. I liked her compatriots. And I thought that droid was hilarious. And then the story was exciting and made sense. But I can totally see how if you didn't connect with them, it would be boring.

@Chrome

“Not to mention Rogue One is a Star Wars prequel. ;-) “

Bingo! Good one—I'll give you that.

@Jason R.

“I didn't care for The Last Jedi but when people like Grumpy_Otter deride it while praising The Force Awakens, it really touches a nerve with me. Not because TLJ doesn't deserve derision, but because like so many, he has been hoodwinked from the start.”

First, grumpy_otter is a girl. But that's okay—It's kind of hard to tell with otters. Go back to what I wrote—if you could have heard my tone of voice, I wasn't really praising it. A little backstory to clarify—the prequels devastated me. I saw the original when I was a child and grew up with them, and had been looking forward eagerly to the new ones. And then . . . sigh.

So when the new ones started coming out, I didn't even bother. TFA was out for more than a year before I saw it, and I only saw it because I was on a LONG plane ride and it was one of the movies I could watch to pass the time. So I hesitantly started it and . . . it was okay. I liked Rey at the beginning, and Finn, and Poe, and loved seeing our beloved Han and Leia and Chewie and a wee bit of Luke. But it got weaker as it went on – does Rey EVER fail at ANYTHING? And have you seen Mark Hamill talk about how he thought his character should have come back? In the big snow fight, he thought he should jump in and save Rey before Kylo beat her. But oh well.

So yeah, it was far from perfect, and my “I liked it” was sort of a shrugging, offhand thing. Obviously it has flaws for days, but I thought it captured the feel of the originals, and it had enough likable characters that I felt a tentative flicker of hope for the next ones. You said it was “hollow and empty,” yeah, I can see that. It was trying so hard to be ANH that it had nothing left to be itself. But I think some blame has to be set at the feet of Johnson. As I said before, watching Mark Hamill talk about trying to warn him was heartbreaking. (btw, I agree with you completely on JJ Abrams)

@Peter G.

“I'll pick on a more innocuous part of grumpy_otter's post: You really liked Attack of the Clones better than Revenge of the Sith?”

Well, they are pretty much all horrible, but at least Clones is laughably bad and if you are drinking the scenes with the “love” story are funny. But if you ignore all that, Obi Wan's story of trying to find out about the clone army is pretty fun. I liked the water planet and fighting with Boba Fett.

ROTS made me want to rip my eyes out.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 5:25am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

Well thanks, y'all! Appreciate the kind remarks Springy, and wolfstar and Latex Zebr. Which makes me wonder if something has happened to Latex Zebra? lol

I've been disappointed ever since it ended that we didn't get to see all the reunions with their families, so there we go!
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grumpy_otter
Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 3:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

I wrote MY ending for it.

They have received the news that they will be home soon. The method is unimportant. Alien technology, a wormhole—whatever. The first hour will deal with their reacitons to this news.

Seven is nervous about meeting all the new people and talks to Doctor about her concerns. There are tears and hugs and joy and sorrow as they say their goodbyes and make their plans. Naomi and Samantha are joyous that she'll finally get to meet her Dad--and so are we as I don't think we ever saw a K'tarian before, did we?

Harry is bouncing off the walls. We smile at his enthusiasm. Everyone else is happy and we touch on what all the the characters are looking forward to.

Then the second hour is actually pulling into a docking port and the crew leaving the ship, hugging Captain Janeway as they step off for the last time, and the reunions begin. Harry is first off, leaping with joy to his parents. And Libby maybe?

Tom and his father see each other and Tom starts to run to him, then hesitates--maybe Dad is still angry? Then Admiral Paris runs to him and hugs him so tight he can't breathe. B'Elanna is standing hesitantly behind, holding the baby, and finally the admiral releases his son and turns to her and hugs her, saying "I am so happy to meet my daughter in law," then takes the baby and says "I might give her back someday," and cuddles her lovingly. B'Elanna's father says, "You might have to fight me for her, Admiral." And B'Elanna bursts into tears and hugs her Dad.

Tuvok is greeted by his wife and family, in the subdued Vulcan way, but as he raises his hand to greet T'Pel, palm to palm, we see the merest suggestion of a tear glimmering in the corner of his eye.

Seven and Chakotay step off together and suddenly a crowd of reporters and curiosity seekers swarm towards her. Fearfully, she steps back and looks behind her, and suddenly realizes. She runs back to the ship and says, "Captain, where is the Doctor? There are no holoemitters on the dock. Does he have his mobile emitter?" Seven runs to sickbay and finds the Doctor tidying up his things. She says "When I became afraid, I looked around for the person I trust most in the world, and he wasn't there. I need my best friend to face all this with me." She then extends her hand to him, and they leave the ship together. She spots Irene Hansen in the crowd coming toward her, carrying a strawberry pie. Seven introduces the Doctor to her, never letting go of his hand. Lewis Zimmerman walks forward, surprising the Doctor. He looks well. "So happy to see you, my . . . son." They hug. The Doctor says, "I'd like you to meet Seven of Nine. She is my . . . " his eyes glisten as he looks at her curiously. "Fiance," Seven says definitively.

Chakotay is greeting his family as he sees the Doctor and Seven leaving together and he smiles. He knew his own flirtation with Seven was more convenience than real attraction. He greets Reginald Barclay, who has been dashing back and forth, greeting everyone from the ship, so happy he can barely speak. We see some familiar faces leaving, a great mass of happy reunions all over the dock. Chakotay looks back toward the hatch and cannot see the Captain. He goes searching for her and finally finds her on the bridge. "It's hard to leave," she says. He understands. "Have you relinquished command?" he asks.

She nods. "The admiral spoke to me a few minutes ago. I just wanted to say goodbye to her.." Chakotay walks up to her and takes her hand, then pulls her close. "You're not my Captain anymore, Kathryn." She turns her face up to his and kisses him the way she has been dreaming of doing for years. He kisses her back the same way, probably with tongue.

Five years later they meet for a reunion. And they all live happily ever after.

Yes, I'm a total sap.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 7:33am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

TFA had given me hope that Disney was trying to bring Star Wars back to the style of the originals. I definitely had new hope that, as derivative as that story was, it was clearly trying to capture the feel of our young protagonist up against all odds. I liked it.

Then Rogue One, which is my second-favorite of all the Star Wars movies. (Empire at the top, of course) I thought it was amazing, moving--a clear plot with a clear objective, likeable characters, and no moments where I said "Why did they do that?"

So my hopes were high!

And then . . . this. I wanted to love it so much, but it was so flat. I was CONSTANTLY saying "Huh?" and "Why?" It had no clear goal, characters who seemed to have no idea what they were supposed to be doing, and WAY too many throwaway moments and people acting like idiots.

They want a strong female lead? Great! Then don't make her act like a dictatorial idiot!

Watching Mark Hamill talk in interviews about what they did to Luke is heartbreaking. You can tell he was disappointed beyond belief. And apparently he TRIED to tell them that Luke was completely unbelievable, but they thought they knew better. Think about that. A bunch of young upstarts with dollar signs in their eyes thought they understood Luke better than Mark Hamill.

And don't even get me started on Leia flying through space like a bad CGI Superman. Good lord. That was as bad as Anakin being a virgin birth. I understand they took the reins from the ones responsible for this mess. Well good. Maybe Luke can fucking wake up at the beginning of the next one and say "Oh, it was all a dream." It certainly couldn't be worse.

I understand people have different likes and dislikes, and I'm not mad at anyone who likes this one. I'm just sad.

This is my list:

Empire
Rogue One
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
Solo
The Last Jedi
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith


The prequels are all pretty equally bad--I just put them in the order I'd least object to watching them again.

And speaking of prequels--go look up a list of all TV and movie prequels and see if ANY of them weren't terrible. Prequels suck.
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grumpy_otter
Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 7:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: Balance of Terror

@ Iceman

"You gave up the episode before "Improbable Cause"? Ouch. "

Okay, I'll give it another shot. But if they go back to that damn pointless mirror universe, I am going to be pissed.
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Grumpy Tribble
Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 12:42pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: The Visitor

It's certainly not a bad episode by any means. It was fine. But I just don't get what I'm missing here. It was cliche and predictable, the old-age makeup was hilariously crappy, and the alternate future (the only reason I personally watched the episode in the first place) wasn't very interesting.

That said, if most people find this episode moving, I'd say that's a good thing. It's not like there's anything bad writing or bad messages in this episode. This episode had good goals IMO, and if those goals succeeded on most people, then that's also good.
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grumpy_otter
Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 11:02am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: General Discussion

@ OmicronThetaDeltaPhi

You said, "3. It is known that TPTB are actually paying people to create this kind of mayhem on trek-related discussion boards. After all, it is in their best interest to paint people like you and me as negative crazy people who do nothing but complain. And while this place is relatively clean in this respect, I'm quite sure that at least of few of these troll-shills have found their way here is well."

Is that an educated guess/assumption, or you have some proof of it? I'd hate to have my cynicism verified with proof, lol
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grumpy_otter
Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 9:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: The Vulcan Hello / Battle at the Binary Stars

I wanted to catch up on the Big Bang Theory so I signed up for the free week of CBS All Access. Once I finished Big Bang, I looked through their other offerings. I have until the 20th to cancel without being charged. Oh boy--they have CSI! That might make the service worthwhile! Wait, what? They only have three seasons of it? 1, 2 and 15? Oh, well I could go back and watch the first seasons of Big Bang! Oh, they only have the current season? Well, maybe they have some good movies--Oh--they have 9 movies total? Okay. Well, they have all the Star Treks, looks like--and so does Netflix.

So they are really depending on Discovery to keep this service afloat? Is that it? Okay, I guess I'll give it a shot.

I am one of those who saw the first picture of the rebooted Klingons and groaned. It's just that I don't get it. If you want to make a Star Trek series, why do you want to completely change one of the integral species? Is there a reason? What could it be?

Well, I was right. Discovery's Klingons were plastic and awkward. The new "vision" turned them into emotionless robots that looked like silver goons. Not to mention that they all wore the exact same uniform--a sort of metal necklace thing? Okay.

Their tooth appliances turned all their voices into slurred blabbering. Compare Kern and his crisp orders to the crew and these yammering . . . things. Oh, and the subtitles were in all caps? Okayyyyyy . . .

I almost cried during the first two episodes thinking that the unification of the 24 houses could have been such an epic and moving story because we KNOW the Klingons. We've seen Gowron battle to keep control of the High Council, we've seen the Duras sisters and their machinations--we know these stories are to come. The way the Discovery crew portrayed the Klingons . . . have they even SEEN Star Trek?

I'd heard people complain about the lens flares--after I got annoyed by them (at minute 17 of the first episode) I decided to start counting them, just for fun. In 10 minutes, (to minute 27) there were 32. Then I stopped counting and just cringed at the rest of them in the episode.

Okay, so the characters. Michelle Yeoh is fucking awesome and I loved her. But I knew she wasn't going to be on the show for long so, meh. I tried not to get invested in her character, but she was the only one I loved right from the start. I could feel her strength and her underlying humanity--she was very Picard-like.

Michael. Ugh. I kind of don't really like the Vulcans much, so I steeled myself not to get too judgy about that. But, hell. Her acting is not as bad as Sisko's, but Wil Wheaton once said that to portray an emotionless character like Data or Spock takes a great deal of skill and subtlety. Michael didn't have it--she was just wooden. I didn't like her at all, and flashbacks in the first two episodes--especially when they interrupt exciting moments--are not a way to endear you to a character. Back stories are better presented in small doses, over time.

Oh, there's Sarek! I felt like they were screaming "WE ARE REALLY STAR TREK BECAUSE THERE IS SAREK AND HE IS SPOCK'S DAD!"

I had lots of other notes but most of them just boil down to – why did you call it Star Trek? I'll be canceling before the 20th.
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grumpy_otter
Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 8:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: General Discussion

@ OmicronThetaDeltaPhi


“nothing that was produced after 2005 should be called "Star Trek" in the first place. It doesn't look like Trek. It doesn't feel like Trek. It doesn't obey the "laws of nature" that were established for Trek. It doesn't have the aliens and technology that's normally associated with Trek. It isn't consistent with the established in-universe history of Trek.”

I finally watched the first two episodes of DIS, DSC, Disco, STD – whatever they are calling it – and in preparation for writing my own review, I skimmed through most of the comments there on the first ep review, and then came here. Partway through that process I saw you and Jammer having a spat, so I went to your comment thread and read most of what you've said in the last two years. (BTW, I'm glad you changed your mind about leaving the site)

lol

Yeah, I'm bored and have some time on my hands.

Let me just say—we are of one mind.

All the Star Trek up to 2005 was set in the Star Trek universe that Gene Roddenberry created. They bent some rules, they sometimes strayed, but they never left that universe.

Everything since 2005 has kicked that vision apart and created its own. Which is not to say they are all bad, or lacking in value—they just aren't Star Trek. I gave up on DS9 because I got tired of the religious blather and I couldn't find any characters to connect with (that's very important to me) but I would never say it wasn't Star Trek, because it was still in Roddenberry's universe.

I can understand how someone who had never seen and loved and lived Star Trek might like Discovery. I didn't.

On another topic--My first comment on this site was in 2007, so I think I have the cred to comment on its evolution. Yeah, it used to be more civil, I think. Of course, back then we used to get 30 comments on an episode and now we get hundreds, so that is to be expected.

I will say that this is still the best place to discuss Star Trek—I think I'll just stick to discussing the pre-2005 Trek.

Now I think I'll go rewatch TOS.
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grumpy_otter
Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 9:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: The Squire of Gothos

It irritates me that Spock comes out with such garbage. Less than a minute in and he defines a desert as a "waterless, barren wasteland." That is not at all the definition of a desert, which depends solely on the amount of precipitation--it can be teeming with life, such as in the Australian outback, or somewhat sparse, as in Antarctica. But sheesh! You'd think Spock wouldn't yammer unless he were sure of his facts!

Aside from that, this was a fun romp. I too thought Trelane must be a Baby Q, and William Campbell played him to perfection!
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grumpy_otter
Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 8:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: The Galileo Seven

I find it absurd that the entire crew except Spock wants to stop their URGENT repair work for a funeral. I understand the point they were trying to make, but that was a bit ham-handed.

I also did not find it logical to leave a man alone as a guard--especially not in some poor-visibility canyon

And Spock talking about how long the creatures will take to attack, and assuming phaser fire would scare them is based not on logic, but intuition. There's no evidence to support his claims--and he's almost immediately proven wrong when a creature kills Katano anyway.

And then he completely abandons logic when he goes along with the crew's request to bury Katano. In a life-threatening situation, it's logical to bury a dead guy? Not so much.

I see what they were going for, but Spock's choice to burn the fuel to create a flare effect seemed completely logical to me. They were going to die in 45 minutes anyway--why not try to attract attention with the fuel burn, even though it shortened their survival time a bit? They were going to be dead either way--at least burning the fuel gave them a chance of being noticed.

It seems to me the writers didn't have much logic for this one. And the fuzzy cavemen were pretty lame adversaries.
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grumpy_otter
Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 8:23pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: Shore Leave

What bothered me about the whole thing is that all the actors had clearly read the script. I can understand they are all rather amused by the idea of a rabbit, but they maintain that amusement while Kirk gets attacked by Finnegan, Yeoman Barrows is assaulted by Don Juan, and Sulu is menaced by a samurai warrior. They seem to finally get a bit worried when they are being strafed by fighter jets and Dr. McCoy DIES, but sheesh. The very lighthearted tone was inappropriate to what was actually happening.

One other thing--when they first chose this planet for shore leave because it was so pristine and lovely, where were they planning to sleep? I didn't see any camping gear . . .
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grumpy_otter
Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 7:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: Balance of Terror

I gave up on DS9. I gave it a fair shake--through most of Season 3-- but I just could not get to identify with any of the characters like I do in other series. So I am resuming my re-watch of the entire original series that I halted two years ago to try DS9. Such a relief to start the video and see people I love!

This one starts out so cute with Kirk saying the same basic lines Picard did before Miles and Keiko's wedding! Well, obviously, Kirk said it first, but still cool continuity! But the bride putting a white bit of fluff on her head while in uniform is not a good fashion choice! It was pretty cruel to kill her groom, though I think they were going for the "senseless death" kind of angle.

Overall I think this episode was excellent, although I was a little confused when Spock's Dad turned out to be on the warbird! But a quick google cleared that up. After that, I liked it just fine. They did a good job creating tension, and I really like the lighting. The Romulan Captain's final speech was very moving.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 5:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Through the Looking Glass

After reading the review and the comments all I have to say is, "Seriously? We have to go to the mirror universe AGAIN after this?"

I am tempted to give up on the whole thing.
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grumpy_otter
Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 4:32pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Distant Voices

I thought the intro was very promising and seemed to have a good deal of heart in Julian and Garak's conversation about aging, but then I literally rolled my eyes when the alien seeking bio-mimetic gel was found rummaging through the pharmacy. Was the door seriously left unlocked? If they don't address that in the episode, that loses a whole star from me.

Well look at that--what a surprise! They did address it at the end! The beginning of the show and the ending were very nice--I enjoyed G & J's banter.

As for the rest, blech. I don't know why, but I despise episodes like this where a character "comes to know themselves" by traveling through a hallucination. I had the same problem with "Barge of the Dead." I guess I just don't enjoy self-exploration unless it takes place in the real world.
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grumpy_otter
Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 8:37pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Visionary

Loved this one! With time travel, one must just refuse to question while it's happening, and I have no problem doing that when the story is engaging. I love Miles, and I thought he was hilarious in this--especially when he was working with himself. I loved how future Miles was never surprised to see present Miles--he'd already been through it! I thought this was a stellar time-travel episode, and everything that happened seemed to work logically.

Technobabble? I hear people complain about it often, but it never bothers me. I have no trouble following it, and in this case I thought the explanation was fine--the quantum singularity worked like a magnet. The only time-travel plot hole I perceived was that Now-Dead Miles, in order to travel in time, had to have the overdose of radiation so he could use the magnet to pull him through time. So I don't understand why giving the armband to Pajama Miles would have worked--he didn't have the magnets in him. But whatever--if I may paraphrase "The Big Chill,"--sometimes you just have to let art, I mean time travel, flow over you.

The one thing that made me angry is that they just let the Romulans--involved in a plot to destroy the station and wormhole--go free with no consequences. Very stupid.
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grumpy_otter
Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 7:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Prophet Motive

Oh joy, another Ferengi episode.

Whoever came up with the idea that Ferengi ears are sexual organs should be punished severely.

I like the new Rules of Acquisition--if the Ferengi turn into socialists I might get to tolerate them. But does the Grand Nagus have spiderwebs in his ears?

Would someone please tell me that all the Ferengi die soon? Sigh. I know they don't, but I find them so tedious. If a person is unable to acquire profit, they are useless and reviled. So like out own system, where the only people celebrated are those who can generate revenue.

The Julian story was lightweight--not offensive but not much else--was there a point to it?

I'd give this one zero stars.
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grumpy_otter
Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 6:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Destiny

Peter, just to be clear I was talking mostly tongue-in-cheek, not angrily, but wow! You came up with an explanation for prophecy that actually makes some sense! I am very practical and hate mysticism of all sorts, so having some sort of practicality to a prophecy makes me pleased.

I am not sure if your reference to Oedipus was a reference to my presenting a prophecy--just fyi--I was referring to the prophecy given to Croesus before he attacked the Persians.

Appreciate your input!
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grumpy_otter
Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 7:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Destiny

Peter G., you said, "Except for the fact that Bajoran prophets get their messages from aliens who can literally see into their future. "

Yeah, I know--so don't give vague blah blah about a "sword of stars" and "vipers"! That's what I meant--the prophecies are so vague they can be interpreted any number of ways and it is only after the fact that it is clear they might have applied to this situation.

I am reminded of the annoying-as-hell Oracle of Delphi who acted the same way, once telling a king, "If your army invades the enemy, an empire will be destroyed." He thought that meant he would be victorious, but of course the Oracle meant HIS empire would be destroyed. Why didn't it just say, "Don't do it, dude. You'll be toast."? lol Fucking prophecies.
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