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Geekgarious
Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 1:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story

@Sean Hagins, you've hit the nail on the head concerning the total lack of regard for character motivation in these films. The same goes for the use of Leia in Rogue One as compared to the story told in the radio dramas. In the latter, it was established that Vader suspected that she was helping the alliance since he kept finding the Tantive IV at planets with rebel activity but he couldn't prove it. Hence the "You weren't on any mercy mission this time" line. Same goes for the sloppily recreated death scene in Into Darkness. It brings to mind the writing in X-Men The Last Stand as compared to the story in the comics.

Enjoyed reading your review, Jammer. However calling Kathleen Kennedy one of the most grizzled Star Wars veterans in the game really isn't correct. She's a grizzled veteran in Spielberg circles but hadn't worked on SW prior to the Disney buyout. That's not an inherently bad thing as I was excited in 2012, but it's become obvious that there's not going to be any worldbuilding or sense of wonder in these films.

*watches The Wrath of Khan and listens to the SW radio drama*
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Geekgarious
Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 5:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: General Discussion

A year or so ago I was at least a little excited for discovery. Now I am not at all. There is just no one who cares about the spirit of this franchise involved creatively anymore. I’ll be checking for comments by people whose reviews I generally agree with (like Peter G). If some of them rave about it I’ll give it a shot. Otherwise, no more. I’ve been hoping things will improve ever since the first JJ film and they haven’t.
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Geekgarious
Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 6:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story

Saw this at cheap movie night last night. It was about what I expected, quite fun at times but also kind of forgettable. I didn't really buy this version of Han, but the dialogue exchanges and Lando made it worthwhile.

And it looks like this will be the first SW movie to bomb at the box office. It will be interesting to see whether SW turns out to be in the same place Trek was in the late 90s.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/solo-may-do-the-impossible-lose-money-for-star-wars/
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Geekgarious
Fri, May 25, 2018, 8:07am (UTC -5)
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story

Rogue One was a mess and a slog that added nothing to the saga, so I’m not seeing this in the theater. Based on the comments here, I may give it a viewing when it shows up on streaming services since it seems like an inoffensive, fun enough film. But that doesn’t change the fact that this doesn’t seem like a story that needed to be told, and less is really more when it comes to characters like this.
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Geekgarious
Sat, Jan 6, 2018, 7:20am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

No, as the radio adaptation of ESB is around five hours long, consisting of 10 half-hour episodes and spans five CDs.
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Geekgarious
Fri, Jan 5, 2018, 9:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

That’s exactly why I wrote this.

The Sound of Her Voice: How NPR’s Star Wars Taught Me to Build My World

https://enlighteningponderings.com/2017/05/11/the-sound-of-her-voice-how-nprs-star-wars-taught-me-to-build-my-world/
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Geekgarious
Fri, Jan 5, 2018, 7:39pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

@SlackerInc
"Radio dramas?"

Yes, the A New Hope radio drama is my single favorite piece of Star Wars media ever produced. I keep going back to these every time a new movie is coming out. More info here.

https://www.tor.com/2015/12/16/sounds-of-star-wars-the-audio-dramas/comment-page-1/
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Geekgariousric
Fri, Jan 5, 2018, 3:32pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

The prequels gave us numerous new environments and vehicles. I agree that they weren't good films, but they had a ton of world-building. As did the old novels. World-building in Disney's films is almost non-existent as shown by the fact that both sides are still using X-wings and tie fighters. And we are still hearing about death star tech. It's a symptom of the obsession with nostalgia which is making so many Hollywood products feel hollow. Even Stranger Things, a pretty good show, leans way too heavily on 80s nostalgia to be great.

I think another real problem with these films is the way the overt feminist bent is coming through. In Episode VII, the only one of the big three who is presented as having had a passable life is Leia. Han has regressed, as has Luke. And Finn is almost completely disposable after breaking Poe out of his cell. The script for Episode VIII has Finn and Poe fail or make mistakes over and over. I like strong female characters - that's why I'm such a fan of the way Leia was presented in the radio dramas. But in these films, as with Voyager, it seems like there is no alpha male hero, only alpha females. This is pretty clearly Kathleen Kennedy's doing. I'll agree with the subset of disgruntled fans from the old days who feel she was the wrong choice to run Lucasfilm in spite of her impressive career.
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Geekgarious
Thu, Jan 4, 2018, 4:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

@Chrome
"I have no idea whether Star Wars rich enough to sustain all these films at once (I mean, at least Marvel has a popular comics that have already been well-received to draw from)."

And there in lies the key ingredient that Lucas brought to the table - a sense of imagination and a talent for world-building. Choices in the Disney-era films like shoehorning the aliens from the cantina into Rogue One are making the universe feel smaller instead of bigger. In The Last Jedi, Johnson recreates several classic scenes and throws curveballs at the audience, but still recreates classic scenes nonetheless.

It's a real shame that the franchise wasn't given to someone with more of an imagination. I found that Rogue One just made me appreciate the radio dramas more in the same way that Star Trek Into Darkness made me appreciate The Wrath of Khan more. Or that X-Men: The Last Stand made me appreciate the real Dark Feenix Saga more.
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Geekgarious
Sat, Dec 30, 2017, 9:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

A key ingredient which Lucas brought to the table and is missing from these films is the worldbuilding. The prequels, for all their problems, managed to make the galaxy feel bigger. The Disney-era films are doing the opposite, which isn’t helped by the fact that the Resistance and First Order basically feel like the Rebellion and Empire all over again. In The Last Jedi, Johnson throws a lot of curveballs at the audience by not doing what is expected. That’s nifty but becomes kind of gimmicky the third or fourth time it happens.
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Geekgarious
Sat, Dec 16, 2017, 12:09am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

This film felt like the result of the creators trying to throw everything but the kitchen sink in. It was certainly entertaining, and there are touches I really liked. Getting a more military sci-fi feel in the resistance fleet was nice. But there is no cohesive narrative, and that's why Disney's version of Star Wars feels rather hollow. It is just another action franchise now.
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Geekgarious
Sat, Nov 4, 2017, 6:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad

It has nothing to do with analyzing the “climate” of the time of broadcast, which seemed to be the intent of his post. It would be like writing an analytical piece about the history of rock and roll, then claiming that one band was objectively superior to another. I can understand why Evan took offense to it. I think B5 had higher highs, but lower lows (season one and parts of season five) while DS9 was more consistent but didn’t give us anything as epic bordering on operatic as the Londo/JiKar (SP?) relationship..
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Geekgarious
Sat, Nov 4, 2017, 5:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad

@Riker's Beard - "So because *you* don't agree with his statement, that then makes his whole argument invalid? Sorry, but this kind of behavior comes off as petty and childish."

Shoehorning the statement that B5 was the inferior competitor into an analysis of time and broadcast as though it were fact comes off as petty and thus weakens the entire argument.
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Geekgarious
Sat, Nov 4, 2017, 3:10pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad

Stating that B5 was an inferior competitor to DS9 as support for an argument is pretty damn dubious. It would be like writing a thesis and then stating that ENT and Nemesis were groundbreaking as a supporting statement. It would call the whole piece into question. I actually wrote a comparison between DS9 and B5 for a sci-fi class once. Reading these comments always reminds me of those days.

All of these arguments about format and contemporary programming miss the show's fundamental problem as far as I'm concerned. The writers either can't or won't give us something new. That Anthology series that Fuller wanted sure would have been nice. With this episode, we got a minor TOS character inserted into a decent timetravel story as a villain. It may have been the best episode of Discovery so far, but it's still not truly satisfying. I keep coming back to Peter G.'s post from a year or so ago where he questions whether the suits are just preventing anything interesting from being done with this universe. After hearing about what Pegg was told to do with Beyond's script and then watching this, it sure looks that way.
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Geekgarious
Thu, Nov 2, 2017, 5:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad

Taylor left after VOY season four. Jammer mentions it in his fourth season recap.
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Geekgarious
Thu, Nov 2, 2017, 4:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad

@Peter G. Why exactly did Michael pillar and Jerry Taylor leave? I have heard that pillar was fired for attempting to do arc-based storytelling on VOY after being told to stick to an episodic approach. I have also heard that Taylor‘s novels (Mosaic and Pathways) were deemed non-canon once she left which was one reason why characters like Janeway were written so eradically. Taylor and Bragga had completely different visions of who these people should be. It’s a real shame that Piller’s last script was insurrection.
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Geekgarious
Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 11:23am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Lethe

Scotty says “You can’t mix matter and antimatter cold“ in “The Naked Time“ when he finally gets into engineering and realizes the engines have been turned off. That was very early in the series. The seventh episode shot over all and only the fifth after the two pilots.
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Geekgarious
Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 3:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Lethe

@Peter G.

Your family analogy is a perfect illustration of why I am having a real hard time getting over both new Trek and SW. I actually came to SW first, but it’s become abundantly clear that the Disney-run version of the franchise is bereft of the qualities that made Lucas’ universe endearing to me. These new films feel like products turned out on an assembly line, which is what I have heard many comic aficionados say about the Marvel movies. (are the SW radio dramas my versions of comics?) seeing both franchises reduced to Thin plays on nostalgia really does hurt, particularly in light of the SW canon purge which serves no purpose other than to allow Disney to put out as many products as possible. That’s why I have yet to buy a ticket to The Last Jedi, even though I think it will be a good movie given the director. I do think there are a lot of SW fans who just want to see X-Wings and ties and the falcon, and these new films will please them. But that’s not why I came to SW. people have told me to watch Game of Thrones or The Expanse or The Leftovers, and those may be good, but they can’t replace the classic Trek or SW. This reminds me of Riker’s speech about not being able to replace Picard in part two of The Best of Both Worlds.
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Geekgarious
Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 5:58pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Lethe

This was better than I expected, and might even be the strongest episode so far, but that doesn't mean anything. I liked getting a look at Burnham's relationship with Sarek, but the method of exposition was silly. Not nearly as silly as the idea of logic extremists though. I agree with others that this show would be more interesting if the focus were on Lorca as an anti-hero.

@Trent: "I'm now convinced that this series cons us into thinking its good, in the moment rather than in reflection, simply by its cynical use of open-ended cliffhangers."

I felt the same way about many Fringe episodes which revolved around a monster of the week with a morsel of mythology info at the end. So I'm not surprised that I feel the same way about Discovery since Kurtzman worked on both shows. Fringe had a few terrific episodes which was one of the reasons why I decided to give Discovery a chance. Seasons 4 and 5 were a huge mess though and unbelievably frustrating for a longtime viewer. So I'm going to cancel my subscription to AllAccess and read the criticism for now.
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Geekgarious
Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 11:58am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: A New Hope

It's too bad your friend wasn't aware of the radio dramas. I actually prefer Brock Peters' version of Darth Vader from those over James Earl Jones' version. Peters' played Vader as driven by passion, whereas JEJ voices him like a robot.
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Geekgarious
Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 11:30am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Lethe

@Peter G.

You might enjoy this essay I wrote about Star Wars. I want to write more but too have been super busy.

https://enlighteningponderings.com/2017/05/11/the-sound-of-her-voice-how-nprs-star-wars-taught-me-to-build-my-world/

I'm going to try to watch this episode of Discovery later. I'm not even sure I want to watch it given the discussion. I've now become a staunch oldschool fan of both Trek and SW, and I didn't want to be one. The new stuff in both universes is just thoroughly disappointing, and in both cases seems all about fatuous fanwank.
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Geekgarious
Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 10:06am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Lethe

@Peter G.
I was reading your comments about Star Wars last night and found myself agreeing with you about the content of the novels and what Disney is doing with the franchise. I would love to discuss the old SW novels and other sci-fi. Do you write reviews of your own or post on any forums?
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Geekgarious
Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 7:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain

After Trek is pretty terrible, but is a good representation of how laughably out of touch the suits running this are with the Fanbase.

@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi, just watched the first episode of The Orville. Feels more like classic Trek than Discovery, but seems totally unsure of itself in terms of tone. Seems like it could be good background viewing.
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Geekgarious
Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 5:22pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain

Harry Mudd's appearance here reminds me of the sloppy shoehorning of the aliens from the cantina into Rogue One. These silly attempts at fan service have gone a long way toward gutting the modern incarnations of both franchises. The powers that be should have learned this from episodes like "Unification", though clearly very few smart choices were made with the creation of this series.

I should just cancel my sub, get over Trek and Star Wars, and just watch The Expanse or The Leftovers. There hasn't been any truly great Trek on screen in many years now...why do I keep holding out for something good?
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Geekgarious
Sun, Oct 15, 2017, 8:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain

A little closer to classic Trek in spirit, but still not that great. I’m canceling my subscription to All Access after next weeks episode. The writing is just not up to snuff and the fixation on the TOS era and disregard for the Fanbase is absolutely ridiculous. Trek, just like Star Wars, has been gutted by corporate suits in this age of endless remakes and reboots. I’ll give credit to Fuller for actually wanting to give us something new. Sheesh.
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