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StarTrek Fan
Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 2:50am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Twisted

People, please, don't act like you're shocked by how someone can like an episde you didslike (or the other way around).

Don't forget that everyone has their own tastes and visions for everything, including episodes of any show.

Opinions and preferences are NOT facts. So they can't be right or wrong.

That's the nature of opinions: it's something very individual, how someone's brain feels about certain things. Even if those feelings might be objectively illogical or inconsistent, or not being shared by majority of others, everyone still has one right: to like or dislike things that give them entertainment or pleasure: movies, shows, games, food, etc.

It doesn't matter if some episode has some objective issues with writing, or acting, or continuity, or anything else.
It still can be liked or disliked by every individual, and it shouldn't shock you to see that.

Your'e free to like or dislike what you wish, and let others do the same.
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StarTrekFan
Fri, Mar 5, 2021, 4:31am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: Metamorphosis

So we finally know why young pharmacist Ellie Walker suddenly disappeared from Mayberry. She was transported to the future and became an ambassador! :)
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MerelyAFan
Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:40pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S1: Dear Doctor

@Bucktown

That alternative idea for the episode is such a smart solution the episode's central problem that the writers not going with it feels baffling.

The potential destructive power of warp drive, something that even in testing could prove to be a deadly threat to not just the desperate Valakians but also the unaffected Menk? That's the kind of situation where Archer perhaps concluding that he can't give it to them given the risk would be an understandable one even if half the audience didn't agree with the decision.

Going that route could even be a chance to include the senior officers in the discussion, with Trip's familiarity with warp engines leaving him believing its too dangerous to give to anyone who can't handle it. On the other hand Hoshi, who's studied the Valakian culture as part of the mission communications, believes they have the capacity and competence to best deal with it.

At the heart of it the Captain has to face the choice of one race likely dying out, or fundamentally altering a society via technology that could pose an existential threat to both races. It would still have the best elements of the actual canon episode (raising questions & exploring Archer's character) while removing the abhorrent parts of it (the dreadful understanding of evolution & dubious conclusion).
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UKSTTNGFAN
Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 9:27am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Pen Pals

@brandon

Yet again, as with every other comment I've seen you make on these boards, you display an arrogant, aggressive, MAGA type attitude which makes me wonder why you bother watching Star Trek at all.

It's not "preachy" to consider whether there are upsides and downsides of interfering in other worlds (much less countries on a crowded planet). The real hypocrisy is people like you - railing against "libtards" for thinking about whether to help these people when in the real world you have US forces bombing civilians and infrastructure to protect "national interests", AKA oil.

Honestly, from what I've read you are a pretty despicable individual with no sense of actual right and wrong.

And by the way, right-wing voter here. But for good reasons, not the garbage you guys come up with.
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Grudge Fan Again
Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 12:45am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Scavengers

Dave in Mn said:
"Why don't you ASK THE SOURCE instead of ATTACKING THE MESSENGER?"


No thanks. I don't need to engage MechaRandom to know what everyone knows, that she is a nu-Trek hater who is a also a chronic liar looking to boost ratings for her youtbe channel. I pretty much got the confirmation of what I was looking for. Your claim was BS.
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Grudge Fan Again
Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 10:45am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Scavengers

WTF Dave in Mn?? Now I know it's BS and I am glad I asked.

The two people you name are famous haters on youtube who got caught lying so many times! They also harass actors and showrunners online and that is why they are liked by haters. You don't know these people?? I knew there was something fishy as soon as you said they "repeatedly" saud Michael is our captain" only those BS'ers would say crap like that.

Just for laughs everyone, one of them said a few months back on Twitter, before Discovery was renewed for S4 that she heard from "10 different sources that Discovery has NO chance in hell of coming back for a 4th season". Hilarious.
There is also someone who exposed them hilariously last year by planting a BS rumor on 4chan and these liars took it and ran with it saying "their reliable sources" said so without realizing they were being exposed.
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Grudge Fan
Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 11:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Scavengers

Dave in Mn said:

"Someone above asked how to tell a reshoot from the original scripts. Besides the obvious fluctuations in weight/ haircuts of the actors, the most obvious tell is any scene where Saru is referred to as Captain.

At Trek Vegas panel, the showrunners (while talking about this season) tepeatedly said "Michael is our captain" ... and then there was months of reshoots and now that's not the case.

I think they tried to salvage some of the old footage which is why Michael seems so impetuously willing to break orders. In the original version, she wasn't breaking orders, she was GIVING them.

I'm pretty sure the reshoots were Michelle Paradise's doing ... hence the reason I say she's doing a decent job trying to salvage a mess."


Sorry but I call BS on all of this. Which scene exactly is a reshoot where supposedly Burham is the captain and giving orders but altered to adopt to look like Burnham is defying orders as you say?
I was at the Trek Vegas in '18 and '19, also at SDCC. I don't recall any mention of Burnham being the captain in Season 3 "repeatedly" said by showrunners. Maybe it was implied once, but I even don't recall that. As a matter of fact, I recall the mention of a possible "outsider" Captain being added as a new member of the cast.
Which convention was this repeated confirmation that Burnham would be the S3 captain?
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Discovery Fan
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 8:35am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

Why do so many people watch Discovery who clearly don't like it? It's just a TV show...it's not real life, it won't ever be real life. Characters and situations are contrived at the writer's will, they behave inconsistently on who writes dialog.

Do you miss TNG? Watch that instead.

Hate Star Trek? Watch NCIS...read a book...get a life. Stop commenting on actors' body shapes or whatever else makes you whiny.
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janeway fan
Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 8:56pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

I wonder why they didn't include any trans or genderless crew members in that diversity. That was and is still a very much alive topic, in the US at least. All the other types of diversity Trent mentioned are nothing new for Trek.
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UK fan
Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 10:12pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Turnabout Intruder

@ Maracass

There is nothing in modern warfare which requires the biological traits men possess. Women are smaller targets who consume less rations and can fit more readily into smaller spaces within vehicles, again making them advantageous. Anyone can pull a trigger, anyone can aim, anyone can understand the machinery of modern warfare and follow orders.

On the other hand, if more women were in positions of power, worldwide, we'd probably have a lot less need for armies in the first place. You know, that whole preferring to have children and homes and stuff. And the lack of.. wait for it ... testosterone combined with toxic masculinity.

I say all that as a man, and no, not some "LOL, wimp beta male". My personality is as a leader of a pack, but not because of the dangly bits. I respect women - they have a lot more strength than idiots like you.
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StarTrekFan
Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 5:54am (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S3: Chosen Realm

Am I the only who laughs at the fact that almost every "bad guy" on this series has long hair? I
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Stefan T.
Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:50am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

So, this is the first time I write my comment in my mother tongue (German) before writing it in English, since I am not sure, what the comment would look like in English, nor how I should present my thoughts here. So I want to translate what I have written and thought so far, step by step.

First of all: The introduction scene with ripping out the eye of a living man could be coming from any other horror movie, and that also is the key to the whole episode as such: I experience it as a mix of Saw, Sin City, and whatever stuff you could think of. But Star Trek? Hell no!

What does this episode even have in common with Star Trek?
Just the name and some actors. Money is back. (Money-free utopian future anywhere?) Robbing, Greed, Murder, Torture, Blood, Violence, the worst human behavior which one could think of, being pressed in one episode of Star Trek.
Just for a reminder, there have been scary episodes, as well as there have been episodes with kind of violence. Think about DS9. Think about every kind of episode about war, fights, or anything related to it. But: Star Trek never needed much violence to tell a story.

This episode instead relies heavily upon that because there is not much to tell. Instead, after watching this, I just feel depressed. It wasn't enjoyable, it wasn't funny, it wasn't anything worth watching. And it is sad of what Trek has become like. DIS was a big letdown, Picard up to now? In the first place, I couldnt decide, but after watching a few episodes, I feel that every time, it even gets lower. Might only be my impression, I hope next week's better.
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Stefan T.
Sat, Feb 1, 2020, 5:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Maps and Legends

Honestly, I've watched the two episodes now. And I still don't know what to think about it. The more I watch it, the more questions arise while watching it. Just a few of them:

- Ok, so some androids went rogue and they literally destroyed the Mars, the Utopia shipyard and killed many humans. First: Why did they even deploy something completely "new" (Data died 6 years before that incident in 2379) to one of the most important shipyards for the starfleet? Why it seems, that this was the only place they did that, and what happened to the androids elsewhere if they existed?

- Obviously, the Starfleet didnt learn from "Nemesis" nor from the dominion war. Instead it seems everyone can get in and out even with some sort of ex-Tal-Shiar-Equipment or replacing high ranking vulcan officers with Romulans.

- Which leads to the next question, why starfleet would even allow a single romulan to be at the Earth with the diplomatic relations being for most of the time non-existent. Even if saving them, wouldnt it make more sense to bring them back to the Romulan Free State after it was established? And then two former agents of an enemy power such as the Romulan Empire?

- Or in General, what is the relation of the Romulan Free State and the Federation?

- Keeping all that in mind, it becomes even more weird that some sort of super-special-troop can just fight with lasers and explosions on the top of a building in San Francisco and no one even realizes that? Except for the conspirators? and Picard himself? Oh and this super-special-squadron does send three people for an android being capable of so much more? If they knew, who she was, they also should have estimated the mission being far more dangerous than that.

- Killing a man with a knife? How theatralic and absolutely ridiculous if you think about blood, secrecy and the ability to actually desintegrate bodies. I thought romulan assassins would be more capable. /sarcasm off

- And Picard, as he has been in service, being one of the highest ranking officers and most famous people, known far over the galaxy, is not even being remembered by someone working at the entrance of the starfleet academy even after hearing his name? And that after he made a speech to, what was being said, billions of people around the galaxy in the interview?

- Still, there remains the question why there would be such a melodramatic scene with Admiral Clancy and Picard. "Sheer fucking hubris"? Isnt that a bit over the top? On the other hand, it seems very conceited being a former admiral, then saying something like "even if it means being demoted to captain" when he's been captain for over 40 years??

Things which are not mentioned but still: Borg Cube? Having an institute for artifical intelligence and so on still existing after the ban?
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Some Garak Fan
Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 1:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Past Prologue

I'd just like to give some context to Peter G here, and to anyone else who might be reading: Andrew Robinson's been stating in full seriousness that he played Garak as "omnisexual" (and not specifically "gay"; it's only Behr in the documentary who claims that) for decades now.

As a queer Star Trek fan who'll take whatever they can get when it comes to LGBT characters, I've looked into this a good deal myself. I'll try not to flood this comment with quotes, but suffice to say, Robinson has talked about this a LOT.

From an interview regarding his Garak novel, in 2000 (source: www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=53485):

"I started out playing Garak as someone who doesn't have a defined sexuality. He's not gay, he's not straight, it’s a non-issue for him. Basically his sexuality is inclusive. But--it’s Star Trek and there were a couple of things working against that. One is that Americans really are very nervous about sexual ambiguity. Also, this is a family show, they have to keep it on the "straight and narrow", so then I backed off from it. Originally, in that very first episode, I loved the man's absolute fearlessness about presenting himself to an attractive human being. The fact that the attractive human being is a man (Bashir) doesn't make any difference to him, but that was a little too sophisticated I think. For the most part, the writers supported the character beautifully, but in that area they just made a choice they didn't want to go there, and if they don't want to go there I can't, because the writing doesn’t support it."

In 2019, specifically referring to the documentary (source: https://www.andyjrobinson.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Andy-Interview-Edited.pdf):

"My take was *always* pansexual. Because, you know, you’re trying to work out “Okay, an alien, what’s an alien? A Cardassian?” We have to start with the human image and they’re all kind of hominoid, the aliens. But, you know... Do they have the same habits that we do? Are they the same, you know, in taste and in their sexuality? And from the very first moment I did the show, when I saw Dr. Bashir, I see him across a crowded room and I’m sexually attracted to him. And I thought, well, that was the *in* for me in terms of Garak and his sexuality."

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"That’s the one thing that they never got right. That wasn’t Garak. It, you know, I think that’s part of what Ira was talking about – that missed opportunity. Because you could have had a really wonderful kind of relationship, a *gay* relationship, you know? Or, you know, with a character that really was so different from a Cardassian, another species."

That's probably more than enough to prove the point, and more than enough page space here taken up by quotes, but for what it's worth I'd like to link a few more interviews where he talks on the subject of Garak's sexuality (and plenty more, of course, given how much the character of Garak gives you to talk about; these are all interesting reads no matter what).

Another interview from 2000, around the time of his novel:
www.webcitation.org/6WIgLcuHN

From 2008, referring to the way he played Past Prologue and to his novel:
web.archive.org/web/20140509074944/http://www.trekzone.de/content/cc/darsteller/ds9/andrew-robinson/tzn-exclusive-interview-with-andy-robinson.htm

And another from 2019, referring back to Past Prologue, the documentary and his novel:
thatshelf.com/what-we-left-behind-deep-space-nine-star-andrew-robinson-on-the-new-star-trek-doc-garak-cardassian-sexuality-doctor-bashir-and-irony-in-trek/

Regarding his novel, I wouldn't say he specifically wrote Garak as straight. Definitely attracted to women, but that's fully compatible with Robinson's view of Garak's omnisexuality. The 2008 interview linked above mentions how he'd wanted to go into more detail on Garak's sexuality, but even as it stands, the book does at least mention his attraction to a male classmate: "Five was an athlete who also did well in class. I could see that he was attracted to Eight. As indeed I was." It's easy to miss, though.

And finally, for what it's worth, Robert Hewitt Wolfe has stated (in 2006) that he did in fact write Garak as being attracted to Bashir, and suggests "it would not be wrong to interpret Garak as bisexual." Which is interesting to see, given how the first Garak episode written by Wolfe was The Wire; this would mean the undertones to Garak's relationship with Bashir definitely extended past Past Prologue.
(source: www.exisle.net/mb/index.php?showtopic=38718&st=160&p=857040&#entry857040)

I went on here for far longer than intended, but I imagine this makes it very clear. Garak's a complex character by any metric, and here's another aspect of his character that was made apparent in both the acting and, to some degree, the writing. As Peter G says, it can't be ignored.
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StarTrekFan
Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 9:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

I'm currently re-watching the entire Voyager series for the first time in a number of years. I remember hating this episode in the past. Looking forward to seeing if my opinion has changed after reading through this fascinating blog discussion.
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Trek fan
Mon, Feb 11, 2019, 2:54pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: An Obol for Charon

Kirk ultimately did not let them die. After the testy conversation with Spock he went along with the peace initiative, to the point of not firing on Chang's ship and not raising shields when the battle cruiser was bearing down on the Enterprise at point blank range.
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Trek fan
Mon, Feb 11, 2019, 12:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: An Obol for Charon

IMHO Kirk would not fire the first shot in the scenario set up in the Vulcan Hello. In the ep Arena he was quite disturbed at the possibility the Federation may have been the aggressor against the Gorn (intentional or not is unknown). Is he quick to draw a phaser? Yes. Would he open fire on a Klingon vessel that has not fired on him, based solely on a Vulcan course of action taken in a different circumstance? Don't think so.
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Trek fan
Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 6:31am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: New Eden

Did everyone forget this is a Star Trek discussion and review site, and not a study in political correctness or intolerant social justice?
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Tiffany
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 6:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Valiant

If Starfleet is supposed to be the military arm, it has powers way above and beyond anything seen in any military we've seen so far on Earth. We've seen it administering, adjudicating, and in some cases governing. Why is Sisko, for example, involved in diplomacy at all? Beyond coordinating a military presence with the aim of defending Bajor, he shouldn't be involved at all.

But Star Trek has always painted a universe in which Starfleet controls practically everything, and that's why it's more fantasy than serious sci-fi. Almost any other series - Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, hell even Star Wars, demonstrate much better how things will be organized should we develop interstellar travel.
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Elliott Fan
Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 10:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Whispers

Yes!! I welcome some alternative takes on these DS9 reviews.
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data fan
Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 3:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Move Along Home

Worse part of "Move Along Home" is easily the part when Sisko introduces his crew to the Wadi. And there they are, trying si hard to look like they're posing for some photo for a tv series of bad ass space adventurers! oh wait..maybe they thought they really were bad asses!. But,the most ignorant looking one as ALWAYS imo is Nana Visitor. She is hands down not only the worst actress but the wirst character!. She should've never been hired.

This episode gets a 1star from me.
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Star Wars Fan
Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 4:45am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: The Outrageous Okona

I hate Okona, stupid Han Solo ripoff. Han iz da haxorz lol lol!!!
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Data Fan
Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 7:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Justice

David M.
Justice was filmed in late 1980's these actors aren't flabbey, they are somewhat slim. But you are thinking of the over-exercised bodies of today. Back then athlets and bodybuilders were the only obesvthat were "ripped".
To the guy about the black populated planets- this tv show like manyvothers are white dominate. BUT I also know there are several channels devoted to black people, black writer, black directors and black actors. I've never complained that those shows have no white families nor have I heard others complain of this. As for my rati g on Justice of which I just rewatched I give it a black hole of no stars, not even one!.
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Data Fan
Sat, Mar 10, 2018, 12:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Sub Rosa

I'm RE-binging on Star Trek TNG. I was watching the episode where Will Riker carries the symbiote "The Host". Of course Dr.Crusher falls in love with Odan the Trill with symbiote.
I was cringing through every scene with Gates Mcfadden/Beverly Crusher in it...as usual!.
Which made me wonder if I'M the only one that tries to find episodes with her either not in it,or not in it much?. My search broughtvme here,and the Memory Alpha website. And I'm not theconly one I'm relieved to know.
The Sub Rosa episode is also imho the WORST of the worst. How this woman was kept on such an iconic tv series I'll never understand. I do know how she came to be on the show though, I just wish they'd left her out of it.
The parallels to Ann Rice's Lasher and Taltos and The Witching Hour hadn't ever occurred to me until reading the comments here. I've read those books and many others by Ann Rice, and I can absolutely see some similarities. Of course whether they're intentional or not we will probably never know.
This series TNG, was very good most of the time. But, when Mcfadden, Sirtis and the guy that played Wesley Crusher was on screen much eye roling and cringing was guaranteed.
Another cring inducing scene was when Crusher and Barclay were doing a play fir the crew, her line " 100 men!...such courage " is so utterly nauseatingly BAD acting!. No other words for that scene..at least no words of praise. Well, that's enough venting and complaining from me for one post. To the webmaster /site owner I say "Great website!!" .
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Trek fan
Tue, Feb 13, 2018, 7:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Will You Take My Hand?

@Jammer -- Dare we hope that this limited review project will be your long-awaited coverage of Star Trek the Animated Series? With only about 22 episodes running roughly 25 minutes each, you would easily have enough time to dig into it at your leisure before the next Orville/Discovery seasons. And the multiple TOS/Discovery tie-ins contained in TAS might be a quite fitting transition between seasons.
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